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Legend of Zelda Mafia |OT| A Lynch to the Past

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CzarTim

Member
cabot said:
Feelings on melon?

I've stated my feelings on Stan before, CCS. I don't have a good enough read on him so far.
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Not sure, leaning scum due to there vote, but I think I'm at the point where I'd rather see Stanley or ynnek flip. Would be super great if Bronx actually posted something of use today too.

Right now I'm of the opinion that, if ccs is not scum, at least two of the day one scum votes were elsewhere. Unfortunately it's very hard to get a read on the inactives, so hard to know where to start there.
 
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cabot

Member
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cabot

Member
CzarTim said:
Not sure, leaning scum due to there vote, but I think I'm at the point where I'd rather see Stanley or ynnek flip. Would be super great if Bronx actually posted something of use today too.

Right now I'm of the opinion that, if ccs is not scum, at least two of the day one scum votes were elsewhere. Unfortunately it's very hard to get a read on the inactives, so hard to know where to start there.
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Reasons?

Stan I can see some argument for, some valid points raised by Kyan, what about Ynnek?

Is there material from his posts that you scumread? Any specific examples?
 
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CzarTim

Member
Cab posted this earlier, but very important post:

acohrs said:
1. Sorian - his posts just don't sit right with me, presents his view then when challenged goes on offensive usually. Maybe it's a 'weak' vote but it's what my gut says.

2. Magnum/Absolut/Ynnek/Nin - all have posted enough to be active but just trying to keep head down and stay undetected, my guess is one of them is a scum PR that is a x number of shots killer that wants to keep their head down for a day or two so they can use their PR.

Think Natiko is definitely town, his analysis has been very detailed and helpful.

Not sure why Ty4on is being targeted, looks to me like something happened in a previous game and peeps are jumping on that rather than now.
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The middle block there is telling as it's a classic way for scum to hide a teammate's inactivity.

I actually feel okay about ab due to the unvote. Feels weird to draw attention to yourself when you could just ride the day out.

That leaves magnum / ynnek / nin.

For ynnek, this vote comes about 10 minutes to go:

Ynnek7 said:
Finally out of work and sitting in my car while it warms up. We were pretty busy today, hopefully it will be slower later in the week when Day 2 comes around.

After reading the past few pages I'm voting for

Vote: CCS

If you aren't scum, then you're one of the most anti-town townies I've ever seen. Acohrs is looking pretty bad right now, too, with the recent voting shenanigans, but not as bad as you in my opinion.
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It was late enough that it could be an attempt to save aco.

Then we have 757 which is stands out to me mainly because here's an inactive player who focused almost entirely on other inactives? I don't know, that post make me feel weird. It's a lot of words but very few opinions.

He talks about aco there as scum, but then doesn't vote for him then or when the moment of truth comes.
 
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cabot

Member
CzarTim said:
and btw those two posts are all of ynnek's actual content
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That's sort of my problem, you could choose between any of ynnek / nin / magnum in the hope of finding scum, the content isn't verbose enough to really put any above each other in priority.

We have votes, Ynnek you've pointed out.

It was 6-5 CCS when nin voted acohrs, to which you immediately followed and made it 6-7.

Magnum sat on AB a while back.

nin did contribute to a scum brothers death, though he technically tied it himself. This was the amount of thought put into his vote:


nin1000 said:
Hello.
Can anyone give me a short recap ?
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nin1000 said:
Still reading mate. But since it's CCS acohrs or Sophia, my gut will tell me who to go for .
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nin1000 said:
Does that mean that acohrs and CCS are lovers ?
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nin1000 said:
thats why i thought that you implied that they could be lovers.

Lets see

VOTE: acohrs
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I can see now why he has the right to throw shade at me for an unvote, when he was so focused on his target throughout the day.

In terms of suspiciousness from the votes?

I think magnum > Ynnek >>> nin.
 
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cabot

Member
CzarTim said:
Would prob. switch mag and ynnek if only because mag wasn't here. Agreed with nin though.
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I put magnum first because I'm reminded of Ty in Overwatch, who had a vote sitting on a person completely outside of the discussion at the end of D1. Ty flipped scum.

Just something I never noticed then, but am aware of now.
 
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Kawl_USC

Member
Putting forth again that if ccs is scum, Nins vote looks most suspicious to me.

But if town then Nin and Tim both look pretty good.
 
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Kyanrute

Member
cabot said:
Kyan, can you remind me of your CCS read again?

Will Stan be your lynch target today?
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Current feeling is FluxWaveZ-lite - a town gambit gone wrong. Lite because CCS claimed an ordinary instead of an actual role. It is hard to see the scum play in what CCS has done so far, but that was the case with acohrs too. If I had to guess, CCS is town. At the same time, lynching him would remove him as a topic and clear the air. Scum are not going to kill him unless he comes forward as the cop and gets a scummie lynched. Thus, CCS will be a daily topic until his death. Atm I can see myself voting for CCS should my preferred candidate not perform well in terms of the votes. I can see CCS getting some votes today at least.

I have to calm my stance on Stan a bit for now, since the CCS vote coming out of nowhere was a cornerstone of the argument. Strong scum read into a scum lean. Have to compare him with the rest of the potential candidates in the play.
 
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Sophia

Member
Good morning, catching up. However...

cabot said:
they both shared a gut scum (read:unreasoned) read on me, and they both came around as reading each other as town when I see no strong reason to read either as town.

I had CCS as 20% because I obviously can be wrong. It has happened.
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This is some revisionist history bullshit you have going on here, cabot.

Sophia said:
I was in an "I don't know" state with her. Her notes were, as I noted, lacking in hard stances. And as noted, she came to the defense of Bronx, which makes me curious given his Day 2 stances so far.

In light of acohrs flipping scum and her having acohrs as neutral, I find that read interesting.



The bolded is a really wishy washy stance to take, which doesn't install confidence to me. But of course, would scum call out their own teammate openly like that? I'm also not sure why a scum player would mark their fellow scum player with such a neutral stance like this.
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Sophia said:
Looking back over, she had a lot of early game fluff and not much substance. Getting past the fluff, she argued that Bronx seemed like an easy target to myslynch. That makes me wonder if she knew his alignment already, but I can't imagine scum would be that blatant. There's some prodding and questions, the vast majority of it seems to go nowhere.

Her posts now have something more to go off on, mainly because her notes have a conclusion attached to them. That being said, they're lacking in major hard stances.

So I don't know what to think.
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My read on her has firmly been neutral with some reservations since the middle of day 1, with some elements I haven't liked since Day 2 started.
 
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cabot

Member
Sophia said:
Good morning, catching up. However...



This is some revisionist history bullshit you have going on here, cabot.




My read on her has firmly been neutral with some reservations since the middle of day 1, with some elements I haven't liked since Day 2 started.
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Oh right my mistake, lack of a hard stance instead.


You should've let me believe what I had instead.
 
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Kawl_USC

Member
Lots of slightly askew arguments being made on other peoples case this past little bit. Interesting.

Sophia, how do you feel about lynching ccs today?
 
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cabot

Member
Sophia said:
It's an information lynch. It potentially clears up Day 1.

That being said, my stance hasn't really changed since I mentioned it to CzarTim earlier.
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I feel like this is intentional, couldn't just give me a yes or no right here.

Some twisted punishment for getting your melon read wrong.
 
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Kawl_USC

Member
You say you were thinking the same way as me. But that posts says you still weren't sold on lynching CCS. That still a developing position?

Basically a clear yes or no to lynching ccs would be great if you've reached a decision on that one.

Thanks for linking.
 
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Sophia

Member
Kawl_USC said:
You say you were thinking the same way as me. But that posts says you still weren't sold on lynching CCS. That still a developing position?

Basically a clear yes or no to lynching ccs would be great if you've reached a decision on that one.

Thanks for linking.
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Yeah. I was thinking a CCS lynch was the way go to initially, but right now I'm not sold on it. I'm re-reading over his posts right now tho.

The big thing that makes me hesitate towards a CCS lynch is the fact that I haven't seen too many strong attempts to try and push a narrative against lynching him. Scum are already down one player; they wouldn't want to lose another. Yet we're not seeing a huge narrative against it. The only person I distinctively remember is CzarTim, who argued that it was a boring lynch.

Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this or I missed someone strongly in favor of another lynch.
 
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Kawl_USC

Member
Sophia said:
Yeah. I was thinking a CCS lynch was the way go to initially, but right now I'm not sold on it. I'm re-reading over his posts right now tho.

The big thing that makes me hesitate towards a CCS lynch is the fact that I haven't seen too many strong attempts to try and push a narrative against lynching him. Scum are already down one player; they wouldn't want to lose another. Yet we're not seeing a huge narrative against it. The only person I distinctively remember is CzarTim, who argued that it was a boring lynch.

Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this or I missed someone strongly in favor of another lynch.
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Cabot and Tim have both accused it of being a lynch not truly looking for scum. If your scum team and ccs is your mate at this point are you going to stick your neck out for him or just give lukewarm lip service and keep peeled for a chance to flip the lynch on melon, yourself, or some other target if the chance comes up? I think the second is far more likely. Going to bat hard for ccs could just set up a chain lynch scenario and a solved game.
 
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Kawl_USC

Member
I get DADV is a thing, but i don't think ccs lynch is by any means a forgone conclusion at this point nor is it close enough to day end to really put weight into that argument.

Can go back and look but between you Tim and Cabot that is 3 larger activity players who are pushing back in some way in the very least.
 
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Kawl_USC

Member
Sophia said:
Perhaps I missed it, but what was your stance on cabot and Tim, Kawl?



Dead Air, Dead Villager.
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I like Cabot. I like Tim if ccs flips town.

I've found some of his posts slightly questionable (but I also confess to getting my thoughts on Tim and ty confused sometimes) will try to read deeper later today
 
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Sophia

Member
Reading over CCS's posts, these two don't fill me with confidence.

CCS said:
It is interesting that both of the people night killed would have argued against lynching me.
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CCS said:
Kawl, you really are wedded to me being scum aren't you? Feels like you're tunneling a bit too much.
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Scum or town, this is some American Politics deflection style crap right there.

Also... hm....

CCS said:
People I'm most suspicious of: Melon (have been since yesterday, plus Cab's post above), Bronx (I don't mind people suspecting/voting for me, but what the hell at his sudden about face today), Kawl (tunneling harder than Jeremy Corbyn's poll numbers).
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CCS said:
You know what, screw it.

VOTE: Kawl_USC

I really don't mind being questioned or suspected. I don't mind people voting for me. But there's a point where you start tunneling so hard on someone that you're a liability to town, because you're blinded to all the other possibilities by your refusal to look away. You're there now.
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CCS said:
UNVOTE

I don't have a full read list, a few players who I haven't heard from or I'm just not sure on. However:

Town: Cab, Kyan, Natiko

Lean town: Nin, Kawl,

Lean scum: Sophia, Stan,

No strong scum reads.
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CCS said:
Oh bother, wasn't finished:

Lean town: Splinter, Absolut, Ty

Lean scum: melon
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Lots of pushing Kawl and Melon. Somehow Bronx escaped his reads later on tho, despite being in his most suspicious earlier.

CCS said:
Out of those I haven't posted reads of, simply haven't heard enough from Ynnek, Terra and Magnum, and unsure on Bronx and Tim.
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Bronx then became an unsure....

Hey CCS, what changed that made Bronx go from one to the other?




Kawl_USC said:
I like Cabot. I like Tim if ccs flips town.

I've found some of his posts slightly questionable (but I also confess to getting my thoughts on Tim and ty confused sometimes) will try to read deeper later today
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Ah, I see. Fair enough.
 
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*Splinter

Member
VOTE: CCS

I decided a while ago tbh. I'm not super hopeful about him flipping scum, but like Kyan said scum aren't going to remove him from the game and I don't trust the potential neutral to do it either. Only way I could see him being cleared at this point is Kawl flipping scum. Meanwhile the conversation is undeniably stuck on him, and day 1 will be easier to analyse when his role is known.
 
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Kawl_USC

Member
Player List

1. [f] Sophia
2. [m] StanleyPalmtree1
5. [f] Melonrabbit
6. [m] Ty4on
7. [m] AbsolutBro
8. [m] Natiko
9. [m] CzarTim
10. [m] CCS
11. [m] *Splinter
13. [m] Cabot
14. [m] Kyanrute
15. [m] Kawl_USC
16. [m] Ynnek7
17. [m] Nin1000
18. [m] Bronx-Man
19. [m] Pop-O-Matic -> [m] Terrabyte20xx
20. [m] MagnumBoy20xx
 
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Kawl_USC

Member
Looking at that, I find that I have no feelings towards ynnek, an, and the XX bros.

Need to look over and see if I can remedy that.

Having no feelings generally means a scum lean just for sheer wallflowerness.
 
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