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[Hinedorf]

Says the guy who supports mass genocide. Sit your ass down

Overpopulation is one of the stupidest "fears" out there, but it makes dumb people feel smart, so we have to pretend to care about this I guess

Hey now I don't support mass genocide, I just want to kill religious people and big families....okay so I'm sorta into mass genocide

There's a big difference between denying what the current bloc of climate activists claim and denying that humans affect the environment.

For any other topic, one would be wary of being presented such a binary and artificial dichotomy, yet that is exactly how climate zealots frame it, the same people who go on national television and actively spread lies about the world ending in 12 years, lie about the viability of solar and wind, lie about corn ethanol, lie about the need for emission reduction (instead of emission sequestration), etc because it bodes well for your party line (and corporate sponsors).

There's a lot of FUD mixed in with the genuine concerns. Do you acknowledge this is the case or should we continue on this simpleton's path of lumping everyone into one of two groups, climate activists or climate deniers? The lies about climate change are just as destructive as the out-of-hand denial that human pollution has a negative impact. Both types of lies put power into the hands of corporations and orgs that do not have our best interests at heart.


The problem is you believe this must be framed along political lines, which is a symptom that the climate activists are political in nature.

You assume that people get their beliefs about the environment through their political party of choice.


That is the nature of a conservative party, it conserves.

Bad news for you, you're way too smart to be responding to my idiotic shit, now I know who to ask when I need a good talking to!

 

[#Phonepunk#]

the only way it would be inevitable is if people suddenly stopped dying. past that it's pure apocalyptic fantasy.

 

[Lanrutcon]

Doubt it'll ever become a problem, really. Certainly isn't right now.

People are...well...people.

 

[Grinchy]

The solution is pretty simple. Nuke the hell out of a few of the shithole countries, wait for the fallout to clear, go in and build highrises and Starbucks locations, and fill that shit up with the overflow.

 

[Master Of Illusion]

Less people are fucking.

Less people are fertile.

Expect a faster commute to work in the next few decades.

 

[Hulk_Smash]

1.5 billion abortions since 1920, the year the first country formally legalized it. Abortions alone will mean we will never be overpopulated.

Aside from that, the law of scarcity dictate that when stuff gets scarce, prices go up. Prices go up, fewer people can afford it. Fewer people affording it means people die sooner. As people die, the demand for stuff goes down and the supply normalizes. This happens over a period of decades so it goes almost unnoticed.

Overpopulation might be a problem for one single generation, but then the issues rights itself in the next.

 

[Werewolf Jones]

Just let the gay agenda keep pushing so there's less people to populate the planet and we're good then. Once a dude takes a dick once he doesn't wanna go back.

 

[GV82]

Megacities - Time to build upwards.

As for some cops today, they already act like they are Judge, Jury & Executioners especially in the US and that's not even Fiction.



But this is Fiction, at least for now.

America is an irradiated wasteland. Within it lies a city. Outside the boundary walls, a desert. A cursed earth. Inside the walls, a cursed city, stretching from Boston to Washington D.C. An unbroken concrete landscape. 800 million people living in the ruin of the old world and the mega structures of the new one. Mega blocks. Mega highways. Mega City One. Convulsing. Choking. Breaking under its own weight. Citizens in fear of the street. The gun. The gang. Only one thing fighting for order in the chaos: the men and women of the Hall of Justice. Juries. Executioners. Judges.

Cue the music

 

[Torrent of Pork]

Simple fusion power (as oppsed to things like aneutronic fusion) will go 90% of the way to making us a post-scarcity society. Given virtually unlimited clean energy the population can damn near hit a trillion before our ability to feed and house ourselves become stressed.

 

[Papa]

Very interesting. We had a rough decline for many years in Germany, but the last 2-3 years was definetly a baby boom. Woman dont even wait till their 40s anymore.

What is more sickening, is the fact that so many lonely people are out there. People that give up in their late 20s already. Most people have family, friends or colleagues like that. Woman with a cat or three cats. Guys who spend their time either drinking with other guys or gaming.

In the long run, we might have a population decline, but for now I see loneleyness and mental health as the biggest problems today. Which in return, will not create more babies.

Are you sure that the increasing birth rate is attributable to natives?

 

[LokusAbriss]

Are you sure that the increasing birth rate is attributable to natives?

Yes. Germany wasn't very child friendly over the years and that changed a lot. Families with an immigration background often have more kids than native people. But that is just a cultural thing that is hard to change. It is hard to determine who is native. Many turkish people that live in their sceond or third generation here, identify themselves as Germans and show more integrity than your average person.

But the birthrate wont help us in the near future. Because of an aging population, we lose 4-6 million people in the work force by 2035. That is a huge problem for our social system. Pensions and wellfare are financed by all employed people. That system is already in deep shit today. It might collapse by 2030, if nothing changes.

I dont see overpopulation either. But I see huge social unrest. This left vs right, woke-hype-train, hardcore veganism, unfiltered immigration and other problems will result in a big bang. This shit wont go on forever.

 

[Papa]

Yes. Germany wasn't very child friendly over the years and that changed a lot. Families with an immigration background often have more kids than native people. But that is just a cultural thing that is hard to change. It is hard to determine who is native. Many turkish people that live in their sceond or third generation here, identify themselves as Germans and show more integrity than your average person.

But the birthrate wont help us in the near future. Because of an aging population, we lose 4-6 million people in the work force by 2035. That is a huge problem for our social system. Pensions and wellfare are financed by all employed people. That system is already in deep shit today. It might collapse by 2030, if nothing changes.

I dont see overpopulation either. But I see huge social unrest. This left vs right, woke-hype-train, hardcore veganism, unfiltered immigration and other problems will result in a big bang. This shit wont go on forever.

I'm not convinced that the increasing birth rate isn't a function of immigration, but I agree with the rest.

 

[God Enel]

War. War will fix it. And it's time for war Avasarala where is the tank emoji

 

[LokusAbriss]

I'm not convinced that the increasing birth rate isn't a function of immigration, but I agree with the rest.

That could be a possibility. I cant find numbers on it. But like the video on page 1 mentioned, immigration wont help in securing enough births to sustain the whole population. We are at a birthrate of 1.5. When a family has around 2 kids in general here, you can see how many are childless.

 

[Airola]

Europe and North America doesn't have an overpopulation problem. If there are lots of people, the problem mostly is that all want to be in and near cities. Smaller towns are drying from people while streets of bigger cities are overcrowded.

From 7 billion people, only 0,7 billion people live in Europe and the projection for 2050 is that it stays the same or gets lower. North America is projected to also not have much of an increase in people. If we'd half the population in Europe and North America the world would have maybe 6 billion people instead of 7 billion. So the change wouldn't be much while at the same time I'm not sure if it would be good to have only 0,35 billion people in Europe. If we'd get rid of every single person in Europe and North America, the world would still have more than 5 billion people easily.

It's Africa and Asia that might have a problem. And maybe even there things could be better with scattering people to wider areas.

 

[LokusAbriss]

Europe and North America doesn't have an overpopulation problem. If there are lots of people, the problem mostly is that all want to be in and near cities. Smaller towns are drying from people while streets of bigger cities are overcrowded.

From 7 billion people, only 0,7 billion people live in Europe and the projection for 2050 is that it stays the same or gets lower. North America is projected to also not have much of an increase in people. If we'd half the population in Europe and North America the world would have maybe 6 billion people instead of 7 billion. So the change wouldn't be much while at the same time I'm not sure if it would be good to have only 0,35 billion people in Europe. If we'd get rid of every single person in Europe and North America, the world would still have more than 5 billion people easily.

It's Africa and Asia that might have a problem. And maybe even there things could be better with scattering people to wider areas.

The next big problem is climate migration. Especially on those continents, there are problems with storms, floods, and droughts. When people can't grow food anymore or their land become inhabitable, they start to move. Europe is always sold as the garden of eden. This might become a very difficult problem in the future. A big shift in migration can result in a desastrous situation. What happens, when 50 million people from south america want to migrate to the US or 200 million indian people want to migrate to europe?

 

[royox]

Came to the thread expecting Thanos. I'm not disapointed.

 

[Avasarala]

War. War will fix it. And it's time for war Avasarala where is the tank emoji

My thinking was that it would be quite over-used were there ever to be a 'chonkers' thread.

 

[H4ze]

Maybe a big ass war will get us down again, who knows, if not, climate change will do the trick.

 

[-Minsc-]

You're seriously underestimating mankinds ability to create whole new problems whenever the opportunity presents itself.

Seriously though, if we got Planetary Colonisation down pat, we'd likely not have to worry about overpopulation again until we started running out of new worlds to inhabit and resources to exploit within the Sol System. Then we would need to start interstellar colonies, and that would all be a hell of a long way off.

I posted with such an understanding in mind. On second... No matter how much I think I understand, I'll always grossly underestimate.

My concern is less about actual overpopulation, and that we here in America are going to keep increasing the number of population of DUMB people. Education is taking such a back seat here, that it disgusts me. I work with a lady who used to be a teacher for years, but quit because she couldn't stand what was happening in the education system, and how she wasn't even allowed to do her job properly. Another reason why I love Japan so much, they actually care about making sure children develop properly, and get a decent education.

I have no problem with dumb people. As it is, I know there are loads people way smarter than me. The hardest thing I find is finding the right balance of pushing myself forward, being the best I can be and stepping aside let those better than me be in the positions they should be.

Very interesting. We had a rough decline for many years in Germany, but the last 2-3 years was definetly a baby boom. Woman dont even wait till their 40s anymore.

What is more sickening, is the fact that so many lonely people are out there. People that give up in their late 20s already. Most people have family, friends or colleagues like that. Woman with a cat or three cats. Guys who spend their time either drinking with other guys or gaming.

In the long run, we might have a population decline, but for now I see loneleyness and mental health as the biggest problems today. Which in return, will not create more babies.

Thirty eight and single. I can safely say I've never given up. It's just taking a long time to get my head straight and there's baggage I want to get straightened out further so I don't put my own crap onto the woman. I do admit, there's a lot of me simply spinning my wheels. Being a nice guy, I now question what age of woman to go for. I could easily go for a lady in her late twenties and have some kids, however, I do think there's all those other lonely ladies who are my age who need some loving. The older they are, the less chance of kids. Obviously I'm not going to go for a lady who hasn't worked on getting her own act together. If I put in the work to straighten my own life out then I expect here to have done the same. The weirdo's can unite. Of course I'd gladly help wing the younger guys.

Millennial men are lonely, unemployed, terrified of women, live with their parents, don't buy property, don't socialize, don't get married, and don't have kids.

Women are told they are strong and independent and don't need a man and should focus on their careers.

Sex is something to make you feel good and that's it.

Abortion is encouraged.

Universities are ideologically possessed.

Cancel culture and victim culture and social media make our lives even more childish.

Religion is thrown to the wayside and Science is worshipped in its place.

Anyone who disagrees with you is a brutish animal that doesn't deserve to live and should suffer for hurting your feelings.

Young people are told the world will end in x number of years anyway due to climate change.

The president of the united states is held to be worse than Hitler, Stalin, and Mao combined and blamed for all evil in the country.

Young people are told they can and should mutilate themselves to change their sex.

Journalists wage constant war on the truth, forcing political narratives so biased and ridiculous that they can even have the opposite effect of what the journalist intended (similar to what happened with the Joker film).

Life is spent working long hours with people you can't stand for money you will waste.

Morality is based on emotions.

Discipline is shunned.

Laziness is encouraged.

Advertising agencies and the federal government spy on you every day, and it is profitable for them to do so.

Objective truth is denied.

Art is presented as subjective and beyond moral judgment, unless it offends liberal beliefs.

Divorce is commonplace.

Infidelity is normal.

Dating apps exploit lonely millennials for money and simultaneously drive them further apart.

Pornography ensures that the millennials are watching other people have sex instead of doing it themselves.

Welcome to 2020.

Good stuff. I really should throw away my computer so I'm no longer distracted.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

War. War will fix it. And it's time for war Avasarala where is the tank emoji

Use this

 

[Verdanth]

Well Kojima warned us recently that the sixth streading is coming. That will fix the problem, partially.

 

[Croatoan]

There are scientists and researchers that believe that we will never overpopulate. They claim that we will peak at 9b and then slowly decline to <6b.

Why?

Pandemics, educating and uplifting women in third world nations, newer generations choosing to not have children or having 2 or less (you have to have more than 2 kids to increase the population after you and your spouse die), and Global Warming leading to die off due to starvation in poorer nations are the possible reasons.

I tend to think they are correct and that any alarm-ism about overpopulation is bullshit.

 

[Hoya Destroyer]

We need a genophage to stop people breeding.

 

[RealGassy]

UK, Italy, Netherlands, Belgium are definitely overpopulated.
If you've only ever experienced overpopulation you dont have a good frame of reference.

 

[LaughingStock]

We need a genophage to stop people breeding.

Nah. Were good. We have the leftist agenda.

 

[iconmaster]

educating and uplifting women in third world nations

This is the "demographic transition" theory. Birth rates decrease as standards of living improve: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/...n-demographic-transition-population-explained

 

[Croatoan]

This is the "demographic transition" theory. Birth rates decrease as standards of living improve: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/...n-demographic-transition-population-explained

yup

 

[Starlight Lotice]

All we need is Hitler.

Joking of course.

To everyone in thread:

Wars have sadly kept populations down over the centuries, even Ghangeis Khan halved the Chinese population because his Mongol beliefs was that you shouldn't waste what you can't reclaim (which was clean water at the time).

Although it is horrific that he did this, he has a point that we can't keep reproducing like rats and get away with wasting resources that may not be replacable forever.

People have every right to have children but if they have a few more children when they cannot afford it, or they do so to exploit welfare, then they need to either be neutered to not have any more or have to pay for the surplus amount of kids for simply being negligent.

The richer countries have fewer children naturally but the wealth of the economy relies on the number of people working and paying taxes.

You cannot have inflation if your workforce declines and you then start to tax the young and effectively making them work to death and not have time to produce as the OP says. Capitalistic Growth is based on the countries population growth and the percentage of people working. It sadly does lead to more greed and causes diminishing returns on our resources.

A happy middle ground should be discussed where we can have a healthy amount of people paying the correct tax and giving the country enough Tax to not encourage such imbalances. I would say that 4 billion would be enough to sustain the Planet but I would actually say that China and India are the real problems with population unsustainablity due to the former being a Dictatorship that may not last the century (a Bug's Life mentions how it takes just one to stand up for them all to stand up) and the latter causing the worst economic damage to the Earth, possibly combined with China they are destroying resources much faster than any First World Country and Third.

Despite Africa having the highest birth rates, they also have the highest mortality rates which is why the population hasn't grown exponentially as of yet. Education of Safe Sex and Economics should fix some of these issues as well as having a strict Law Enforcement to stop mass rapes and killings.