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Life is Strange | Spoiler Thread

So I finished Episode 4 last night. GOOD GOD.

They basically upped the ante from jump street. They had big emotional moments in the other few eps, but started with a SAVAGE one. Holy shit, I'm not a big proponent of euthanasia at all...but Chloe was pretty damn close to being justified in asking for it. Such a cruel situation she was in. Thank god Max was able to rewind that out.

Loved seeing Kate. The whole tone of the game really does depend on if you save her or not. Everything had some form of hope with it, no matter how bad they got.

JESUS, THE CONFRONTATION WITH FRANK. Oh my god Chloe fucking shot Pompidou, and then fucking popped Frank. Harrowing stuff. Thank god I was able to maneuver around that. It felt like a small version of Kate's situation.

Finding Rachel stung so, so damn bad. Holy shit, Chloe was just devastated. Ashly Burch really brought it there.

I'm really thinking that picture with Warren is going to save the day. Loved Veronica and Max finally burying the hatchet a bit. Very cool to see that stuff from Ep 1 actually fucking mattered in the end game.

FUCKING JEFFERSON
 
Ultimadrago said:
I didn't even try to warn Victoria.

Fuck you, bitch.
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I kinda wanna make a "fuck the world" run where I just make everybody hate me, and even let Chloe kill Frank and not reverse time. I still won't kill Chloe in alter-world, but not out of respect for life, but just to make her suffer in her cell of a body for a little while...

Edit: Completely unrelated, but one thing that really bugs me is the scene where you get the choice to shoot Frank or not... If you shot him the first time, you'd know the gun wasn't loaded so you'd definitely behave different in the "don't shoot" choice. Same with if you decide to do the shoot him option again... Seems odd it all goes down the same way no matter what.
 
LiK said:
wow, thanks for making me feel like shit for suggesting anything. never again.
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I liked your suggestion, LiK! Don't feel like shit :)

Also pretty sure he/she was joking.
 
I blamed Jefferson.

I've played through each episode three times already, making different choices each time. It was only natural that Jefferson gets blamed when you do it that way.

Devs with branching storylines hate people like me. We milk every option possible to see how it affects the world.

I'm really hoping for very different endings in each.
 
Thunder Monkey said:
I blamed Jefferson.

I've played through each episode three times already, making different choices each time. It was only natural that Jefferson gets blamed when you do it that way.

Devs with branching storylines hate people like me. We milk every option possible to see how it affects the world.

I'm really hoping for very different endings in each.
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Damn, that's some commitment! I'll probably go on a second run after episode 5 is out and I completed my first playthrough. Need to save Kate this time. :|
 
InfiniteNine said:
Well I was just joking. ;P I didn't enjoy them too much though I watched all of farfromsubtle and watching episode 4 by them just made me angry.
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can't say i enjoyed all of Fraser's opinions about the game either but i did like parts of it. at least they saved Kate, heh
 
chadskin said:
Damn, that's some commitment! I'll probably go on a second run after episode 5 is out and I completed my first playthrough. Need to save Kate this time. :|
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I made the mistake of making my first playthrough Hero Max. She's pure hero. Saves everyone, butts in when it could bite her in the ass. Second playthrough is Max as antihero. Still going after the villain, but not really caring who gets hurt along the way. That was a hard one. Knowing the right answers, but still making the wrong, or manipulative one.

Last playthrough is pretty much turning into God Max. All the right decisions. Including Jefferson. Originally intended to be the "other" options run.
 
Haly said:
She was one of the ringleaders of a case of concerted bullying that drove a girl to suicide.

Mean doesn't even cut it. Most actual bullies don't get this far.
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True, but bullying doesnt make a person bad. How would she know Kate would commit suicide?

AndyB1974 said:
Yeah, I also warned her. Here's what happens if you choose all negative dialogue options and don't warn her. Things get a little heated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8UXJKT-et8
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HELL NAW!! Not in my game! Max personality just dont vibe like that to me. I had to warn her.
 
Mihael Mello Keehl said:
True, but bullying doesnt make a person bad. How would she know Kate would commit suicide?
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Actually bullying does make a person bad... The fact that she didn't think her actions in tormenting another person might be hurting them is what makes her very bad. Even if Kate didn't try to kill herself. Determining whether or not it's ok to treat other people like shit by whether or not they'll kill themselves because of it is really messed up...
 
Mihael Mello Keehl said:
True, but bullying doesnt make a person bad.
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Er...
How would she know Kate would commit suicide?
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She could... not... bully?

I am having difficulty comprehending your thought process. Sure, some bullies become better people later on life after they admit they were wrong and stupid as kids. Victoria does, for a short while, before she goes back to being a bitch and you have to sweet talk her into not being bitch to try to save her life.

Or if you're a bitch to her she'll just be an unrepentant bitch to you, like in that video, which reveals her character as she really is. Egotistical, self-centered, unsympathetic, lacking in moral fiber and ambitious to boot. That's a very poor combination of character traits for any person to have. What else does she need to do to be a "bad person"? Kick puppies? Kill someone?
 
Victoria is a teenager who grew up spoiled, yes she's a bitch but she's still a teenager, which I know can be hard to distinguish at times, but there IS in fact a difference between a bad person and an ignorant person.
I fully believe in Karma and getting what one deserves, but I also believe in giving people a chance to show their potential.

The Victoria that comes out of the conclusion of LiS will be a better indication of who she is, if she learns her lesson or if she gets even worse, we'll see.
 
Xiraiya said:
Victoria is a teenager who grew up spoiled, yes she's a bitch but she's still a teenager, which I know can be hard to distinguish at times, but there IS in fact a difference between a bad person and an ignorant person.
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Saying somebody is bad doesn't mean they're irredeemable. She's currently a pretty fucking horrible person. As you said, she's a teenager and could probably get better. But currently she actively seeks out to hurt others for no other reason than hurting them. She's not supervillain evil, but yeah, pretty bad. And calling someone bad doesn't mean they can never ever get better. It just means as they are... they're a bad person.
 
Sorry, but I understood that bullying was a bad thing to do far before 17. Forgive me if I'm not really sympathetic to her "ignorance". Even if she is, it doesn't excuse her behavior, which is bad by most metrics.

And I don't believe Victoria is stupid. Her approach to Mr. Jefferson, as is revealed in one of the dialogues, is a juvenile reflection of the professional art world that her parents engage in. She's a kid playing at being adult, but in a way that makes sense because it is, unfortunately, the reality of adulthood. She's not just fooling around.

We call these kinds of children "precocious", but instead of learning to be more mature for her age, she picked up the worst bits of cynicism of the adult world.

So, "ignorance" doesn't really hold up.

I mean, really, it's pointless to say "well she could become a better person later". Anyone could get better, or worse. Max could become a serial killer later by being driven insane by time shenanigans as a wild example.

This doesn't mean Max, at least mine, isn't a good person now, and it also doesn't mean Victoria isn't a huge jerk now.
 
Haly said:
Er...


She could... not... bully?

I am having difficulty comprehending your thought process. Sure, some bullies become better people later on life after they admit they were wrong and stupid as kids. Victoria does, for a short while, before she goes back to being a bitch and you have to sweet talk her into not being bitch to try to save her life.

Or if you're a bitch to her she'll just be an unrepentant bitch to you, like in that video, which reveals her character as she really is. Egotistical, self-centered, unsympathetic, lacking in moral fiber and ambitious to boot. That's a very poor combination of character traits for any person to have. What else does she need to do to be a "bad person"? Kick puppies? Kill someone?
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I dont think Victoria will be like that her whole life. People do a lot of bad things on this earth and I know that doesnt make them a bad person. I have family I can say fit in that category. Doing bad shit but it doesnt mean them as a person is bad.
 
What makes a person bad then, if not their actions?
 
I think you're looking at this in an unreasonably black and white manner, yes she's generally acting horrible, but she's still a goddamn teenager who doesn't actually have any idea what she's doing.
It's not the same as being a terrible person at your core however.

She could wind up being a bad person, it's just right now with what we've seen of her I don't think it's that easy to write her off, most people have done some shitty things growing up, learning from it is what matters.

I bullied people at times in school and I too got shit from people, it's not remotely who I am now at 26, I was just a kid in school doing school things and didn't think much of the ramifications even when I knew I was causing people emotional pain.
I regret that, but I also realize that sometimes it's an unfortunate part of growing up.
 
Mihael Mello Keehl said:
Being bad, is completely subjective. So I dont know. Thats why people get second chances, or why we have laws and courtrooms. Why didnt Victoria go to jail if she was bad? Or trial?
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Wha? You think all bad people go on trial or to jail?

You can be a shitty person without breaking laws. Or doing so, but avoiding being caught. We don't live in a world that's perfectly just.
 
Mihael Mello Keehl said:
Being bad, is completely subjective. So I dont know. Thats why people get second chances, or why we have laws and courtrooms. Why didnt Victoria go to jail if she was bad? Or trial?
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Going to jail? Being a bad person doesn't make you a criminal. She's bad cause she lacks empathy, she is bad cause she hurts people, she is bad cause she is a bully, and an upnosed one at that. None of those traits lead to jail or a trial.

And as others have pointed out, it doesn't mean she's irredeemable. Just that her current actions and behavior makes her a bad person. She can change that, in the future.
 
Mihael Mello Keehl said:
I cant stand how anyone could hate on Victoria shes mean but she has a good heart. I warned her, I think shes my favorite character in the game.
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I agree, I feel bad for her and David more than anyone else in the game.(except Kate, of course). Victoria's insecurity seems to be the worst and I feel she's really troubled deep down.
 
Kate killed herself over a combination of everything.

You can argue that her being drugged at the party is the catalyst, but then again she was listed in Frank's book as a customer.
I feel like maybe this was a situation where she wanted to let her hair down and she got in over her head and Nathan and/or Jefferson took advantage of her vulnerable state.
 
Xiraiya said:
I think you're looking at this in an unreasonably black and white manner, yes she's horrible, but she's still a goddamn teenager who doesn't actually have any idea what she's doing.
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No, actually, I'm the one treating bad/good as a gradient. Bad can be anywhere from "kind of a dick when they're stressed" to "probably the next Hitler". It's nonspecific for a reason. But so far Victoria hasn't really shown any, let's say, goodness? The only time where she hasn't been a huge bitch is when she was feeling regret over Kate's suicide attempt. And even then I could sense that it was more selfish than out of concern for Kate. She was fucked up because she realized her attitude had consequences, consequences she never considered before. Which is a bit of growing up, sure, but not a huge improvement in her character and just shows how rotten she was in the first place.

So I'm comfortable with calling her a bad character, thanks.

It's not the same as being a terrible person at your core however.
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I don't know where you got this idea, honestly.

Mihael Mello Keehl said:
Being bad, is completely subjective. So I dont know. Thats why people get second chances, or why we have laws and courtrooms. Why didnt Victoria go to jail if she was bad? Or trial?
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Law and morality are connected, but not the same thing. You can be a huge cock who's actively harming people and still do it within the confines of the law. See: politicians, executives, racist police, etc.

You can't actually jail someone, at least in this country, for being generically bad. Doesn't make them good people. Doesn't mean they're beyond redemption either. Doesn't mean everyone in jail "deserves" to be there and everyone who isn't "deserves" to be free.

Christ, am I really giving a Ethics 101 lecture here?
 
Paganmoon said:
Going to jail? Being a bad person doesn't make you a criminal. She's bad cause she lacks empathy, she is bad cause she hurts people, she is bad cause she is a bully, and an upnosed one at that. None of those traits lead to jail or a trial.

And as others have pointed out, it doesn't mean she's irredeemable. Just that her current actions and behavior makes her a bad person. She can change that, in the future.
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I think most of that is subjective. And when that happens I really dont know how to argue that we could go back and forth all day.
 
Haly said:
So I'm comfortable with calling her a bad character, thanks.
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Well sure, I can't stop you and ultimately your reasons for feeling that way aren't necessarily my concern, I was just pointing out that you were coming across in a way that seemed to be over simplifying things as black and white.
It's not really a big deal, it happens.
 
Mihael Mello Keehl said:
Being bad, is completely subjective. So I dont know. Thats why people get second chances, or why we have laws and courtrooms. Why didnt Victoria go to jail if she was bad? Or trial?
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Wait, what?

I'm not following this logic.

Xiraiya said:
Kate killed herself over a combination of everything.

You can argue that her being drugged at the party is the catalyst, but then again she was listed in Frank's book as a customer.
I feel like maybe this was a situation where she wanted to let her hair down and she got in over her head and Nathan and/or Jefferson took advantage of her vulnerable state.
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Well, I'm not arguing against that. It just happens that there's a tiny, teensy, weensy, minuscule probability Victoria's continuous harassment was a nice chunk inside that combination of things. Victoria doesn't get a free pass, a cookie and/or a shoulder to lean on from my Max. Kate in the hospital after the incident was willing to forgive Victoria and turn the other cheek. She's probably praying for her or something. I won't.

Within the world's lore it's unlikely this is the first hand Victoria has had in making someone's life miserable for her own amusement either, simply not to this extent.

Victoria: "I'm not perfect, okay? I'm a teenager at an art school!"

Max: "Yes Madame Asshat, and your point is?"

There's "not being perfect" and pushing around a loner clearly at the end of their spirits (multiple times, backed by loyal goons). I have no doubt in my mind Victoria has major insecurity issues; that's obvious from the first episode. However, her actions bred from them doesn't make for "subjective" anything. She's simply dodging responsibility from encouraging a student to think they're alone, unwanted and of little worth, a trait akin to spoiled fucks [and bad people].
 
Haly said:
She was one of the ringleaders of a case of concerted bullying that drove a girl to suicide.

Mean doesn't even cut it. Most actual bullies don't get this far.
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Bullying is evil, but Victoria's just a kid and extremely, extremely insecure. She didn't fully understand the consequences of her actions and she certainly didn't want Kate to kill herself. My SuperMax is nice to her and warns her because it's important to get Victoria to understand what she was doing was wrong and to get her to grow up.

MadMax not warning Victoria is evil though without a doubt, especially since you've already seen just what can happen to Nathan/Jefferson's victims.
 
Yeah, Victoria's immature and insecure, those are the words I was looking for. The thing is, being nice to her might not even get her to change because of the nature of her persona thing she has going on with the Vortex Club and everything. Capturing thought provoking characters like her is part of what makes this game so good.
 
Victoria clearly realized she went too far. She's obviously not nice, but condemning her now is too soon.

David seems to have good qualities too, he just hides them with layers of complete stupidity, then uses the war as a crutch/excuse.

Vince McMahon said:
This is very important, I think you're right.
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Warren wins, man.

But first we gotta go through the real goddamn bad end of Ep 5
 
BronsonLee said:
Victoria clearly realized she went too far. She's obviously not nice, but condemning her now is too soon.

David seems to have good qualities too, he just hides them with layers of complete stupidity, then uses the war as a crutch/excuse.



Warren wins, man.

But first we gotta go through the real goddamn bad end of Ep 5
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No, fuck Warren. He's a cunty piece of shit.
 
Xiraiya said:
Kate killed herself over a combination of everything.

You can argue that her being drugged at the party is the catalyst, but then again she was listed in Frank's book as a customer.
I feel like maybe this was a situation where she wanted to let her hair down and she got in over her head and Nathan and/or Jefferson took advantage of her vulnerable state.
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I was certain that was a different Kate...
 
Victoria needed more character development. She seems pretty complex but the game doesn't really touch upon it enough to give her a chance to really develop.
 
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