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Live chat with J Allard Tomorrow (8/21)

sangreal

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Just a heads up for those interested in voicing your complaints to Microosft. J Allard is holding a public online chat session tomorrow to address the "questions" and "concerns" of xbox fans.

Full details from Majornelson.com:
For the past couple of days, I have been forwarding mail to J regarding some of the concerns the community has had with the recent announcements. Meanwhile J has been reading many of the online forums himself. Based on the some of the posts over the past few days, it’s clear there are still some questions that need to be answered (and some misinformation that needs to be cleared up.) J came to me and asked if I could help set up a direct dialogue with you, so we can get your feedback and answer your questions firsthand. Tomorrow (Sunday) you’ll have your chance.

J will do a live chat tomorrow afternoon that will be open to anyone that would like to attend. This will be a 60 minute, open forum chat where you can ask J anything. J would like to provide some perspective around the two SKU approach for Xbox 360, and answer as many questions as he can about the Xbox 360 during the hour. This will be a very candid discussion. I am expecting this will be a popular chat. We’ll try and get to as many questions as we can to make sure everyone is heard. One more thing: you’ll need to attend the chat to ask the questions…we won’t be taking questions any other way.

Basic ground rules: I’ll be moderating, and I won’t edit questions…but I will have to reject submissions that are profane, inappropriate, etc. (keep it clean please!)

Ok, on to the details:

What: Chat with J Allard about the Xbox 360

When: 12p-1p PT on Sunday August 21, 2005

Where: Join tomorrow at 12n PT through this link

Note: You will need a .NET Passport to login. If you’ve got an MSN or Hotmail account, or your already post in the Xbox forums, you’ve got a .NET Passport already and you are good to go..other wise get a free .NET passpord here.
You can find the system requirements here but the chat will work on Mac and Firefox.

It’s important to know that the Xbox execs really value your opinions and insights, as is demonstrated by J wanting to meet with everyone. As J is showing his respect for your opinion by participating in this dialog, I would hope you treat him with the same respect.

Thanks and I’ll see you tomorrow 8/ 21 at 12p PT.

P.S. If you can’t make it, I’ll be sure there is a transcript available.

Full transcript of the chat:

Major Nelson (Moderator): We are just about to get started
Major Nelson (Moderator): Welcome to today’s chat. I am happy to have J join us for an hour to take your questions on the Xbox 360. Just to let you know, due to J's injury he does have someone typing for him, but all of the answers are directly from J himself. With that said...welcome J. Also, we already have over 1,000 questions...many of which are similar, so we'll chose the ones that are most representative of the majority of the questions.

J Allard (Expert):
A: we'll get going with the first question now..
..
J Allard (Expert):
Q: My question: Can Microsoft guarantee that the HDD will be fully uitilised when present or are we going to see long load times with a slow DVD unit as standard from most developers.

A: just like last generation utilization of things like xbox live and the hard drive will be up to the game designers and just like last time we expect game developers to be excited by this. we have been in clear communication for more than a year that some scenarios will include a disconnected hard drive and it has not slowed them down

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Mr. Expert, will the Xbox 360 games use the hard drive for game saves and caching like the original Xbox did?

A: absolutely. we think game designers have all kinds of innovative ideas that the hard drive will be used for. use of the hard drive is not limited to game scenarios. like xbox 1 you will be able to do things like rip and store music and don't forget about live scenarios and all the downloadable content

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Why is the hard drive so highly priced? A 20GB hard drive now a days goes for about 20-30... why $100? I believe this will deter alot of sales..

A: the 20 gb hard drive is a 2.5 inch user servicable drive and is more expense than a pc "crack the box" drive. it's one of the reasons we pushed to create a compelling premium bundle.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Why is the hard drive so highly priced? A 20GB hard drive now a days goes for about 20-30... why $100? I believe this will deter alot of sales..

A: one of the reasons that we designed a user removable hard drive is in direct response to the hard core gaming audience to make it easier to take game saves, game maps, soundtracks, etc. easily to their friends house or lan party. they also wanted the ability to upgrade to larger capacity drives. and if the drive is not present because someone in the house took it on the road, you still want to be able to use the console for movies, music or games.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: will the loss of HDD mean that all games will be made without the HDD in mind, therefore effecting users of the premium pack?

A: absolute not. consider this last generation where somewhere in the neighborhood of 20% of game consoles had hard drives attached. this did not deter game developers from utilizing the hard drive both for exclusive games and cross platform games on xbox. this generation our first party team and our exclusive content developers are just as committed to using the hard drive and like we they demonstrated with this generation our third party cross platform developers are committed as well. games like splinter cell, madden, and tony hawk all demonstrated unique capabilities in hard drive configured systems.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Can we stream videos from our PCs?

A: yes. if you have media center on those pcs. you will be able to stream standard and high definition video.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Why even offer the core package, its seems quite useless

A: great question! the thing to remember that while we designed a no compromises game system, a huge percentage of our customers are not like the folks in this chat room. recognize that more than 75% of the folks on xbox have not played halo. by introducing the core system we are sending a signal to the market that we are committed to this part of the market just like with the xbox 360 premium bundle that we are committed to you.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Why even offer the core package, its seems quite useless

A: the significance of this message can not be understated. many of the publishing and retail partners want our commitment to grow the market. and as you have heard from us in our press conferences and such we are very committed to growing the market.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Can you use your Xbox live gamertag for xbox live gold on the 360?

A: absolutely. we want to make sure you can preserve your identity, friends, and investment in xbox live moving forward with xbox 360 and of course you can keep gaming with your identity on xbox 1.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Why not package the Xbox 360 with only the hard drive and a wireless controller for $349.99, so that you can have one SKU

A: good question and one of the many combinations we looked at. with our research with hard core gamers, retailers, and the broader market, we felt like these two configurations were the right starting point. the great news is that the way we have desgined the system in a modular way we can easily adjust these configurations over time.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: wILL THEE CABLES IN THE 400 PACKAGE WORK WITH MY T.V THAT USES A/V CALBES?

A: the av pack bundled with the premium pack will work with component and composite cables. this means it will pretty much work with all hd and sd sets out there. the other cool thing is that you can take that cable between high def and standard def tvs.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: What is your opinion on HD-DVD?

A: it's going to be interesting to see how and if a high def format for movies plays out. when we designed the the initial xbox many people asked if sacd or dvd audio would be the successor to the cd format for music. as everyone knows the real successor was mp3 and digital distribution with things like napster ipod and msn music. while there is a lot of talk about this in the industry it will be interesting to see what the exact future of this is for movies. of course i think there will be a need for higher capacity optical media for storage applications. we prefer hd-dvd to blu-ray in terms of the flexibility it offers to different applications as well as the infrastructure costs to the market.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Will consumers be able to purchase and download songs or other media directly through the Live Marketplace?

A: not at launch. it is something we would love to get your feedback on. please give us your thoughts.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Will developers utilize the hard drive when one is detected, or will most games be made without using it at all? Will the HD speed up load times?

A: speeding up load times is one of the many things a hard drive can be used for but really it is up to the imagination of the developer. we have been talking with game developers for a while now to make sure that games will load efficiently without a hard drive present. in terms of load times, as a gamer i am super sensitive to how frustrating load times can be which is one of the reasons we put in a dual layer 12x dvd in the system to make sure gamers get great perf with or without a hard drive. one of the challenges with new optical formats when they first come out is the performance of the media which was a consideration when we decided what the optical format for xbox 360 would be.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Can a USB Memory been used by the xbox 360??(I'm asking this because the 360 has USB ports)

A: at present our design for xbox 360 uses the usb ports in a read-only capacity for playing music and viewing photos. if there are other applications that you guys think are interesting then please give us your feedback.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Why doesn't wifi work out of the box?

A: we worked with game designers and talked to hard core gamers and asked them what their top priorities were and the bulk of our investment went into the silicon to the cpu and the gpu so we would have kick **** games. we had a fixed budget and could not do it all. in the end we had a budget and had to offer wifi as an option but we did decide to add "a" as a standard in addition to b and g. we are also compatible with existing devices already on the makret.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: will the core system come with a memory card? if not, how can u save games?

A: no it does not come with a memory unit. gamers will need an mu or a hard drive to save games with which is consistent with the games industry for the last decade.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: will the core system come with a memory card? if not, how can u save games?

A: i think it is really important to emphasize especially for the folks in this chat room that we did not design the core system around you guys. similar to the shuffle, the boxter, the 4:3 tv, the 1mpix camera, we designed the core system as a way to get folks to come into the family at a cheaper prices and decide if an how they scale the system. the great thing about our approach unlike these examples is that the core owner can upgrade the system and match the capabilities of the premium system when the time is right for them.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Will a completely black 360 be available?

A: not currently in plan for launch but as you know we will have removable faceplates and i expect down the line we will get feedback that people want other colors and we will provide it

J Allard (Expert): This in from e-mail: Got a question about the $399 price point for Xbox 360. Feels steep.

J Allard (Expert): i think that the capabilities we are offering with xbox 360 are unmatched in the history of videogaming. it's a great value. and the system that most of the folks in this chat room are going to prefer. i saw a posting earlier today where someone looked up the historical prices and capabilities of games systems. it was worth noting that the ps2 launched at $368 (in japan) with no hard drive, no online service, no mu, no wireless, no voice, no network adapter, no remote, and only support for 2 controllers. that's not reason we priced the system this way but it does provide a comparitive frame of referencfe for what you are getting. when you consider you are getting the most powerful games system, best cd player, digital media player, movie player, etc. it's a great value.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: Why do they have the core package? Why doesn't microsoft just release the package with the Harddrive so developers will be able to fully utilize it?

A: independent of the configurations we have at launch it was imparative that we work with developers now to abstract the storage system because (1) the drive is removable and we want people to play even if the drive is not present (2) another possibility is that 5 years from now that you want more storage on the box or on the network and be able to take advantage of that. by abstracting storage in the system we are making sure that all xbox 360 games will work on all configurations moving forward and early customers will be able to take advantage of future scenarios like bigger drives and network storage.

J Allard (Expert): Another one from mail: What about backward compatibility in the core system?

J Allard (Expert): because we didn't abstract storage in the first generation xbox back compat will require a hard drive. the good news is that the core system owners can upgrade if they deside to update at a later date.

J Allard (Expert):
Q: When can we expect an official release date to be announced?

A: this is our last question we are able to take for the chat and then i have one thing i want you guys to know after. answer in short is: stay tuned. just like all of you talking about the system around the clock we are working around the clock to finish the system and the games. we will have more announcments soon.

J Allard (Expert): i just want to thank the community for the enthusiam and passion for xbox since the beginning. conversations like this are super valuable and we would love to do this again.

in summary we tried to optimize launch around three critical audiences

[1] - the game developer - by offering them a no compromises platform with great hardware, tools and the leading online service with live.
[2]- the hard core gamer - by putting together a configuration with everything you would want at a compelling price.
[3] the entry level gamer - that wanted to get into next generation gaming and was excited by the media capabilities and wanted an entry level option

i know the multiple configuration strategy has introduced some confusion and concern with the hard core gamers in particular. hopefully this has helped explain some of the thinking that went into it. if you - like me - want gaming to get bigger and want to see more creative games out there we need to grow the market.
J Allard (Expert): like the consumer electronics industry or the automotive industry having a family of products (we believe) will be good for the market.

at the end of the day, you guys make xbox a success and we designed xbox for you and dialogs like this are what have gone into the xbox program to date and will continue to give life to xbox for years to come.

let's keep the dialog going. thanks for your time.

i should also mention that we know a lot of folks could not make it into the chat and will be interested in this dialog so know that we will be posting all of this onto majornelson.com and sorry for the lag (it's been hard for us too).

j
 
A public whipping? I'm in!

There's going to be a lot of bitching and crying about various things, but I believe that this concern is the most important:

"I question the concept of an optional hard drive, especially when it comes to the casual gamers who make up the bulk of the market. When Microsoft launched the first Xbox, the hard drive was evangelized as something that developers could use to make their games better. Now that it’s no longer a standard feature, I expect developers won’t spend as much time figuring out unique ways of supporting it, ways the casual consumer may take for granted as something the system just ‘does’. So I fear it may ultimately serve as nothing more than a giant memory card." - G4TV

"Microsoft says they told developers from the beginning that they would have to solve this. So basically, the developers treat storage virtually. They create a game to store assets either on a disk drive or on a memory unit. That memory unit is the problem because it can't hold as much data. So developers, by necessity, have to shoot for a lower common denominator. The bottom line for them is they won't be able to make the best game they can." - author of Inside the Xbox


and supercedes all of these....

"Microsoft’s absurd dual price points; one for that poor sap who enters the next generation with wired controllers, no hard drive and standard AV cables (thusly grinding every Microsoft catch phrase under foot) and one for people with fully operational cranial units and 400 expendable bones, sans game." - Play Magazine

"I also think that four hundred dollars is too Goddamn much - in any event, it's widely considered too much by those who will buy it anyway - but the three hundred dollar model isn't worth it at all. If you're ever planning to get a wireless controller, a remote control, a hard drive, hook the machine up High-Def, or play on Live and you try to piece that stuff into (what they call) the Core System, the numbers don't work. I mean, look at those prices. At the very least, you're going to need their forty dollar memory card. The lower cost "sku" isn't for the "Wal-Mart" consumer, it's for fucking retards. " - Penny Arcade

"If backwards compatibility is dependent on having a hard drive, it's very odd that Microsoft has now set pricing to make it tougher on consumers who might want to get into the next generation but are cost-conscious. They are the ones most attracted by backwards compatibility. For Microsoft then, backwards compatibility is not a key issue." - Gamepro Magazine

"How will OXM readers react? I expect a lot of them to be upset that the option that gives them backwards compatibility (requiring the hard drive) is $400." - Official Xbox Magazine

"As a gamer, it doesn't really seem to me that there is much of an option. Yes, there are two SKUs, but Microsoft has priced the two units and the accessories so there really isn't much of a choice. The only problem Microsoft faces now is that consumers will walk into retailers expecting to buy a unit for $299 and will walk out with their wallets short and their experience with 360 tarnished." - Game Informer Magazine

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=796&Itemid=2&limit=1&limitstart=1
 
I would kiss some ass and ask his about his arm, then sleep with him and get all the juicy stuff (about X360 that is)...
 
I have a feeling that chat room will get locked within an hour. There are already 30 people in it.

Btw, is anyone else from GAF going to attend the chat session?
 
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I shall try to make it.
 
brocke said:
I have a feeling that chat room will get locked within an hour. There are already 30 people in it.

Btw, is anyone else from GAF going to attend the chat session?
I'm going to be there...

DCX
 
SolidSnakex said:
So the big question is, can Allard spin as well as DopeyFish?

i don't spin.

There's a difference between spinning and pointing out peoples obvious ignorance, stupidity and greed.
 
Mrbob said:
I hope Allard reads GAF. :D

I hope he does, and I hope he reads this:

Allard, you idiot!! Stop mincing around and being a graphics whore and start putting some fucking quality control in your games that will actually improve them!

Forced HD resolutions? That's great and it improves gameplay soo much. How about forcing a minimum of locked 30fps or, y'know, 60fps? Imagine that? Now wouldn't a higher framerate actually improve the way a game plays, instead of just looking pretty in screenshots? Asshole.

Sorry, I just remembered that Rare are "aiming for 30fps" for their games and it pissed me off. Aiming for 30fps is a fucking joke
 
someone should ask Allard what made MS decide to go wireless with the controllers, even though he made fun of the Wavebird when it first came out.
 
I want to get all of the major complaints/concerns regarding the 180 organized:

1.) Developers will not be able to maximize potential of their games because of HDD not being standard. (Must limit size/detail of worlds for core pack owners)

2.) HDD use will be limited to a giant memory card because it's not standard.

3.) Core pack option contradicts all of MS's promises for XB360. (HD era, wireless controllers standard, marketplace downloads, backwards compatibility)

4.) Accessory prices are completely ridiculous. ($100 USB wi-fi dongle? $100 for 20GB storage?)

5.) Accessory prices make core pack an unreasonable option for anyone w/ working brain.

6.) Backwards compatibility being an expensive option is unfair to consumers. ($400 required to play original Xbox games)

7.) $400 for XB360 is an unattractive price for most people.

8.) 2 SKU's with widely varying capabilities will cause mass confusion & frustration at retail point of sale and push potential customers away.



Did I get everything? :D
 
You missed:

Why he wants to rape us with the price of the wireless adaptor

How about telling us how to transfer our Live accounts over

Why should we buy the hard drive if it's not going to be used to improve our games
 
maynerd said:
This is gonna be ugly.
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It all depends. Is the moderator a big xbox fan, neutral, or an xbox hater? Because I believe the mod will be getting the questions and choosing which ones to pass on to Allard.
 
brocke said:
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It all depends. Is the moderator a big xbox fan, neutral, or an xbox hater? Because I believe the mod will be getting the questions and choosing which ones to pass on to Allard.

The moderator is MajorNelson

Basic ground rules: I’ll be moderating, and I won’t edit questions…but I will have to reject submissions that are profane, inappropriate, etc. (keep it clean please!)
 
You guys actually expect this to be unscripted or unrehearsed? It wouldn't surprise me if every question is screened carefully, and Allard has a dozen answers to each question to copy and paste as he chooses

The only to test this is to act spontaneous. Someone call him a twat and see what happens :D
 
brocke said:
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It all depends. Is the moderator a big xbox fan, neutral, or an xbox hater? Because I believe the mod will be getting the questions and choosing which ones to pass on to Allard.

he's an xbox employee. their not going to let you basement hags hop on and make forum jokes. no company would do that.
 
123rl said:
You guys actually expect this to be unscripted or unrehearsed? It wouldn't surprise me if every question is screened carefully, and Allard has a dozen answers to each question to copy and paste as he chooses

The only to test this is to act spontaneous. Someone call him a twat and see what happens :D

We get it. You don't like Allard/Microsoft. Now please go troll another thread.
 
Majornelson is a firm believer that "the hard drive was not taken away from gamers" being that they still have the option to buy it.

i expect the propaganda to continue.
 
sangreal said:
We get it. You don't like Allard/Microsoft. Now please go troll another thread.


Who said I don't like Microsoft? I do, and I like my Xbox. I don't like him or the, IMO, many wrong decisions about the 360. But, despite that, I have already preordered a launch day console.

So please stop jumping to conclusions because I've said something you disagree with
 
Johnny Nighttrain said:
Majornelson is a firm believer that "the hard drive was not taken away from gamers" being that they still have the option to buy it.

i expect the propaganda to continue.
It's not really a question of it being taken away from gamers, it's more a question of it being taken away from developers. By not making the HDD standard MS is keeping developers from being able to max out the power of the Xbox 360 and make better games. How can the company which just spent the last 4 years telling us how important the HDD was for game development suddenly tell us it's not that important anymore?
 
At least he's actually facing up/listening to all you morons. What the fuck are nintendo going to do about their piece of shit price point for GBA Micro?? Send Reggie to shut everyone up?

Also, if MS cut the US price and add the cost to EU packages i'll go fucking mad. You bastards better not mess it up for he rest of us
 
Prine said:
At least he's actually facing up/listening to all you morons. What the fuck are nintendo going to do about their piece of shit price point for GBA Micro?? Send Reggie to shut everyone up?

Also, if MS cut the US price and add the cost to EU packages i'll go fucking mad. You bastards better not mess it up for he rest of us

to quote yourself

"waaaaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaaah" ;)



Red Scarlet said:
I'm the only one there?

see top left, it should say chat loading... takes a couple minutes on firefox (and possibly other browsers)
 
OI!

PS: I reckon they should just do this deal

Xbox 360
HDD
Wireless Control Pad
Componant Cables
Headset
Demo Disk

$360
 
Tomorrow shall be a glorious day.

The tears that J Allard will shed afterwards will flow through the streets, creating a self-sustaining river of MOMENTUM!! that Ken Kutaragi shall drink from, sealing his fate as the grand master of the video game world.

OH HOW I THIRST FOR THE HUNT
 
Hum. Only question is, will there be "HDD Enhanced" games that perform/load/etc better when the hard drive is present?

Or shall it indeed be nothing but a giant memory card?
 
This will end up probably worse than before. The truth is that they won't change any of their plans for anyone. It's set in stone. They will play semantics, just as element has in this same forum (with the "where's the quote that it will come standard with a hd and wireless controller") and they will play their "not everyone is willing to pay as much for a console on day one so we're giving them options" line.

I'm sure they'll also come up with ridiculous ways to excuse the exorbitant prices for the accessories ("the 20GB hard disk is fitted specifically for Xbox 360 to take advantage...")

They will also try to convince hardcore gamers with the "we're sure the Xbox 360 Premium Package will outsell the Core one at least initially" (and that bolded part is so very important because it reflects their obvious direction: get rid of the hard disk.)

The point is that there's no explanation that any sane gamer would take for their assbackwards (consumer-wise) decision to split the userbase and rip off the customers with their pricing scheme.

Edit: Oh, and nbots are the ones who should talk the least. Talk about some delusional fools. At least most xbots have recognized the crappy deal they're getting.
 
Stench said:
Tomorrow shall be a glorious day.

The tears that J Allard will shed afterwards will flow through the streets, creating a self-sustaining river of MOMENTUM!! that Ken Kutaragi shall drink from, sealing his fate as the grand master of the video game world.
:lol

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"I thirst for this river."
 
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