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[Rentahamster]

Thus this highly indicates it is not a tariff issue but a supply chain/administration issue

You don't think the erratically implemented tariff strategy had a negative impact on the global supply chain?

Supply Chains Explained: How They Work and Why Tariffs Can Strain Them – Darden Report Online

March 11, 2025 Supply chains are critically important to domestic and global commerce. Explaining and understanding them isn’t so simple. The Darden Report took a deep dive on supply chains with Associate Professor of Business Administration Vidya Mani, an expert on supply chains, to learn more...

news.darden.virginia.edu

For products and components that we have no or very little capability to build within the U.S. and are sensitive to price, high tariffs will significantly impact the supply chain. Each company in this scenario will have to weigh major questions:

• Can I afford the tariff and still continue with the existing sourcing arrangement?
• Can I source from an alternate country not subject to next round of tariffs, that has the capability to manufacture at a viable cost?
• Can I make it in-house?
• Or should I change the technology altogether to use other components that are not subject to the high tariff (a very long-term undertaking)?

How tariffs are shifting global supply chains

Trump's 90-day pause on his sweeping tariffs plan is about to expire. But already some firms are radically changing how they work.

www.bbc.com

Global supply chain expert Les Brand says that it is both expensive and difficult for companies to switch manufacturing to different countries.

"Trying to find new sources for critical components of whatever you are doing - that's a lot of research," says Mr Brand, who is CEO of advisory firm Supply Chain Logistics.

"There's a lot of quality testing to do it right. You have to spend the time, and that really takes away from the business focus."

He adds: "The knowledge transfer to train a whole new bunch of people on how to make your product takes a lot of time and money. And that effects already razor-thin margins businesses have right now."

 

[mckmas8808]

No. They are just using it as an excuse to increase their profit. Anyone who believe otherwise isn't smart.

But their costs are going up. That's a fact.

 

[mckmas8808]

I guess that's the thing. Gaming is a hobby that I love, too. But that doesn't mean that I have to take an "it's just business" position when a company raises prices after recently stating that the business is posting record profit. I couldn't care less what the reason is for increasing prices because the reason isn't my problem.

I would argue that it takes a strong emotional connection to a company to be resigned to just sheepishly agreeing to pay more when the empirical evidence the company has provided shows that they have room to increase efficiency, absorb cost, and not pass it on in the form of higher prices.

I'll start to bend when their margins decrease and they have made efforts to streamline their operations instead of burning billions on projects that don't seem to be coming to fruition. Maybe if they didn't spend recklessly on gaas they wouldn't be raising prices, but here people are just kowtowing to the "it's tariffs" excuse.

Everything you said is reasonable. TOTALLY reasonable. But it's not reasonable to assume any company will absorb "UNREASONALBLE" cost increases. Especially when those increases are 100% from politics and not business related at all. They've already streamlined their operations to create the profit margins they have now that are the most they've ever had like you said.

And their huge loses on GAAS so far clearly weren't all that bad, considering their profit margin last quarter was 16%. It's just not reasonable for any company to eat a 15%-30% increase cost that's placed on them.

- The tariff on goods from Japan are 15%
- The tariff on goods from China are 30%

Either way that eats into their current 16% profit margins. At some point, it's just plain math.

 

[CLW]

Strongly diseagree here, even if ps6 is literally 999$/€ with disc drive(which i strongly believe it will be) first wave of hc console gamers aka early adopters(so first 20-40m ppl) will buy it ezpz in holidays 2027 or latest holidays 2028, problem comes after, when more budget oriented customers wanna jump on playstation train, in previous gen we had 299, 199 pricepoints, looks like not anymore...

Why would even "early adopters" adopt something when (1) EVERYTHING is cross gen and (2) there is LITTLE graphical or frame rate improvements between a ps5 pro and the purported ps6 specs and (3)
Sony continues the process of going the full retard/phil Spencer mode with everything coming to pc.

I've owned EVERY PS console from day 1 or as close to day 1 as possible and I see ZERO reason to buy a PS6

 

[//DEVIL//]

But their costs are going up. That's a fact.

Based on what you stated these facts ? Here in Canada the PS5 slim digital is 500$ official price. Which makes it around the 370/380 US.

If the manufacturing cost was actually up. You would see the price hike globally . This is not the case because even in China the prices went down and actually cheaper too.

The price of manufacturing the PS5 didn't go up.

 

[LavitzSlambert]

Why would even "early adopters" adopt something when (1) EVERYTHING is cross gen and (2) there is LITTLE graphical or frame rate improvements between a ps5 pro and the purported ps6 specs and (3)
Sony continues the process of going the full retard/phil Spencer mode with everything coming to pc.

I've owned EVERY PS console from day 1 or as close to day 1 as possible and I see ZERO reason to buy a PS6

It will all come down to the games available and if they are a significantly better experience on PS6. I'm not convinced Sony will be able to correct course fast enough, so I plan to stick with my PS5 Pro as an end-game console and will wait to see if there is a large enough improvement or meaningful exclusives on PS6 before making a decision.

 

[dragonyeuw]

I've owned EVERY PS console from day 1 or as close to day 1 as possible and I see ZERO reason to buy a PS6

Same, and the reason I even ended up with PS5 is I good a really good deal last summer on a slim. Otherwise nothing was really tugging at my wallet that hard. The way things have gone this gen, getting a halfway decent PC to play Xbox/PS games is the way forward. I'm even finding myself less and less drawn to Nintendo( and like you, I basically owned all of their prior consoles, not day 1 but Nintendo has been in my household in some capacity since the late 80s).

 

[Gexxy1]

Unfortunately, the average salary isn't accounting for inflation.

Salary is relative to the cost of goods/services, hence why inflation is important to distinguish.

Also per SSA average income has increased by roughly 17% from 2020-2023. Per statista wages have been exceeding inflation since 2023. So it is still cheaper no matter how you look at it, versus what it the "actual cost" was in 2020.

 

[mckmas8808]

Based on what you stated these facts ? Here in Canada the PS5 slim digital is 500$ official price. Which makes it around the 370/380 US.

If the manufacturing cost was actually up. You would see the price hike globally . This is not the case because even in China the prices went down and actually cheaper too.

The price of manufacturing the PS5 didn't go up.

Yeah, that's my point. The price went up only due to tariffs lately. Not from manufacturing costs.

 

[//DEVIL//]

Yeah, that's my point. The price went up only due to tariffs lately. Not from manufacturing costs.

But the tariffs increase don't justify this price hike. And as a company they should absorb some of that cost. Or not ship from China and use other factories in different countries toward to the US. From my understanding not all PS5 consoles are made in China .

But Sony was like fuck it let's increase the price. No competition anyway

 

[StereoVsn]

Strongly diseagree here, even if ps6 is literally 999$/€ with disc drive(which i strongly believe it will be) first wave of hc console gamers aka early adopters(so first 20-40m ppl) will buy it ezpz in holidays 2027 or latest holidays 2028, problem comes after, when more budget oriented customers wanna jump on playstation train, in previous gen we had 299, 199 pricepoints, looks like not anymore...

Nah, that I don't see. I could see say €699 (in Germany, France, Spain, etc..) and $699 (plus tax) in US ($1000+ CA/AU).

And the above may not include a disk drive.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Why would even "early adopters" adopt something when (1) EVERYTHING is cross gen and (2) there is LITTLE graphical or frame rate improvements between a ps5 pro and the purported ps6 specs and (3)
Sony continues the process of going the full retard/phil Spencer mode with everything coming to pc.

60 fps.

Now would you be better off buying XBoxPC if you play MP games?

But the tariffs increase don't justify this price hike.

Sony's just passing the cost of the tariffs on to the consumer.

 

[bender]

Strongly diseagree here, even if ps6 is literally 999$/€ with disc drive(which i strongly believe it will be) first wave of hc console gamers aka early adopters(so first 20-40m ppl) will buy it ezpz in holidays 2027 or latest holidays 2028, problem comes after, when more budget oriented customers wanna jump on playstation train, in previous gen we had 299, 199 pricepoints, looks like not anymore...

...no chance.

 

[PeteBull]

Why would even "early adopters" adopt something when (1) EVERYTHING is cross gen and (2) there is LITTLE graphical or frame rate improvements between a ps5 pro and the purported ps6 specs and (3)
Sony continues the process of going the full retard/phil Spencer mode with everything coming to pc.

I've owned EVERY PS console from day 1 or as close to day 1 as possible and I see ZERO reason to buy a PS6

We got leaks, and if they are true, raw raster jump wont be anything big, probably not even 3x jump vs base ps5, rt performance and ai upscaling will be much improved, so likely 15-20x performance in games with big amount of rt and ai upscaling.
Ofc something like 6070ti or 6080 from nvidia from 2027 will still be faster...

I feel u big time, im playstation lover back from 1995 and still didnt buy ps5/pr0 this gen, got high end(not top but high end enough to dwarf ps5pr0) pc tho, there is tons(likely over 100m, maybe even over 120m) customers who are console only, they will likely go with ps6.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

...no chance.

 

[mckmas8808]

But the tariffs increase don't justify this price hike. And as a company they should absorb some of that cost. Or not ship from China and use other factories in different countries toward to the US. From my understanding not all PS5 consoles are made in China .

But Sony was like fuck it let's increase the price. No competition anyway

Why would you say the tariffs don't justify this price hike? And how would they just stop shipping from China within a couple of months? Because some are made in Japan, but you can't change your manufacturing process like that, that quickly.

 

[Radical_3d]

Came here for the American cope. Didn't left disappointed.

 

[Xaeroxcore666]

The only console generation where the older the tech is, the more it increases in price.

Funny part is, there are people defending this BS, though

 

[LordOcidax]

But the tariffs increase don't justify this price hike. And as a company they should absorb some of that cost. Or not ship from China and use other factories in different countries toward to the US. From my understanding not all PS5 consoles are made in China .

But Sony was like fuck it let's increase the price. No competition anyway

 

[Sethbacca]

Funny part is, there are people defending this BS, though

Nobody is defending it, they're just existing in reality. This is where we are in the state of the world.

 

[bender]

Funny part is, there are people defending this BS, though

We've been trending this direction for a long while, sadly, but price increases is pretty jarring.

 

[yogaflame]

Come to think of it, I think some companies especially in gaming, are just making tariff as an escape goat for there opportunistic pricing practices and blunders.

 

[Blood Borne]

You don't think the erratically implemented tariff strategy had a negative impact on the global supply chain?

Supply Chains Explained: How They Work and Why Tariffs Can Strain Them – Darden Report Online

March 11, 2025 Supply chains are critically important to domestic and global commerce. Explaining and understanding them isn’t so simple. The Darden Report took a deep dive on supply chains with Associate Professor of Business Administration Vidya Mani, an expert on supply chains, to learn more...

news.darden.virginia.edu

How tariffs are shifting global supply chains

Trump's 90-day pause on his sweeping tariffs plan is about to expire. But already some firms are radically changing how they work.

www.bbc.com

1. There were no tariffs in 2022
2. PS5 price increase happened in countries outside of US
3. There are a million suppliers, manufacturers and components that create the PS5. Just even a manufacturers or supplier's increase in cost due to war or scarcity of materials can affect the total bom for PS5.

 

[PeteBull]

3. There are a million suppliers, manufacturers and components that create the PS5. Just even a manufacturers or supplier's increase in cost due to war or scarcity of materials can affect the total bom for PS5.

Thats the only thing that trully could fuck us up, if(when) china invades taiwan and US takes it personally, we might not even get any hardware for years, including pc parts.

 

[poppabk]

But the tariffs increase don't justify this price hike. And as a company they should absorb some of that cost. Or not ship from China and use other factories in different countries toward to the US. From my understanding not all PS5 consoles are made in China .

But Sony was like fuck it let's increase the price. No competition anyway

The tariffs literally justify this price hike. As a company should Sony reduce the price of a PS5 by $30 in Virginia so that I pay the same price as someone in Delaware which has no sales tax? If companies dont pass on government taxes to the consumer then all they can expect is more taxes because the government is getting free money.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

1. There were no tariffs in 2022
2. PS5 price increase happened in countries outside of US
3. There are a million suppliers, manufacturers and components that create the PS5. Just even a manufacturers or supplier's increase in cost due to war or scarcity of materials can affect the total bom for PS5.

 

[Rentahamster]

1. There were no tariffs in 2022

1. So what? There can be different reasons for price hikes in different years. There are a lot of reasons that a company implements price increases.
Sony's reason in 2022 was "high global inflation rates, as well as adverse currency trends"

PS5 price to increase in select markets due to global economic environment, including high inflation rates

New recommended retail price coming to select markets in the EMEA, APAC, and LATAM regions, plus Canada.

blog.playstation.com

2. The US-China trade war started in 2018.

China–United States trade war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2. PS5 price increase happened in countries outside of US

1. So what? There can be different reasons for price hikes in different regions. There are a lot of reasons that a company implements price increases. Sony's reason in 2022 was "high global inflation rates, as well as adverse currency trends". They felt they could get away with it back then in those regions, and now they feel like they can get away with it now in the USA.

3. There are a million suppliers, manufacturers and components that create the PS5. Just even a manufacturers or supplier's increase in cost due to war or scarcity of materials can affect the total bom for PS5.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Please elaborate or rephrase.

 

[Blood Borne]

1. So what? There can be different reasons for price hikes in different years. There are a lot of reasons that a company implements price increases.
Sony's reason in 2022 was "high global inflation rates, as well as adverse currency trends"

PS5 price to increase in select markets due to global economic environment, including high inflation rates

New recommended retail price coming to select markets in the EMEA, APAC, and LATAM regions, plus Canada.

blog.playstation.com

2. The US-China trade war started in 2018.

China–United States trade war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1. So what? There can be different reasons for price hikes in different regions. There are a lot of reasons that a company implements price increases. Sony's reason in 2022 was "high global inflation rates, as well as adverse currency trends". They felt they could get away with it back then in those regions, and now they feel like they can get away with it now in the USA.


I'm not sure what you mean by this. Please elaborate or rephrase.

I'm saying there are many different suppliers, manufacturers, and components that go into making the PS5. If even one supplier raises prices, whether because of war, material shortages, or other issues, etc, it can increase the overall cost of producing the console. Therefore, to simply just put down to tariffs is gross oversimplification.

So just to be clear, your position is 2022 increase was due to "inflation and adverse current trends" and 2025 increase is due to tariffs?

Also, why was US excluded from the 2022 price increase?

 

[iHaunter]

Do we feel Liberated yet? Soon we will have millions of people assembling PlayStations in US!

I feel liberated, from money. Been gathering parts for new PC build while I can before orange dipshit does more damage. Need a case and a PSU. Was waiting for the 5080 Supers. But not sure if price will be increased. Technically computer parts are not part of tariffs. HOWEEVER everything involved MAKING them are. Which is what causes the price increases.

So far I have:
-AMD RYZEN 9 9950X3D
-MSI PRO X870E-P WIFI
-G.SKILL 32G 2X D5 6000
-LIQUID FREEZER III Pro 280 RGB
-SPATIUM M560 PCIe 5.0 NVMe M.2 1TB

 

[Bojji]

Answer to every question in this thread:

Sony :

 

[JayK47]

This is what no competition looks like. They can charge whatever they want.

 

[mckmas8808]

Also, why was US excluded from the 2022 price increase?

They were willing to eat those price increases in America in 2022, by spreading the overall cost increases to other countries around the world at that time. America is their number 1 market.

 

[RyanEvans21]

But the tariffs increase don't justify this price hike. And as a company they should absorb some of that cost. Or not ship from China and use other factories in different countries toward to the US. From my understanding not all PS5 consoles are made in China .

But Sony was like fuck it let's increase the price. No competition anyway

Did the xbox and switch raised their console price already?

 

[Rentahamster]

I'm saying there are many different suppliers, manufacturers, and components that go into making the PS5. If even one supplier raises prices, whether because of war, material shortages, or other issues, etc, it can increase the overall cost of producing the console.

Okay, thanks. Yes, that is true. As I've said in my other posts, there are a lot of factors that contribute to inflation, especially when considering the global nature of electronics production, like the PS5. 2022 was only 2 years since COVID started, and that was probably the main contributing factor.

Therefore, to simply just put down to tariffs is gross oversimplification.

I haven't simply just put these cost rises down to tariffs. I'm pointing out the flaws in the "It's not due to tariffs now because it probably wasn't due to tariffs before" argument.

So just to be clear, your position is 2022 increase was due to "inflation and adverse current trends" and 2025 increase is due to tariffs? Also, why was US excluded from the 2022 price increase?

Only Sony knows what the real reasons are. I'm just speculating on the probable impact of each contributing factor, taken as a whole. In 2022, the global supply chain still sucked because of COVID, and the Japanese Yen was tanking (probably also in part due to COVID). We were also 4 years into President Trump's tariffs, which President Biden did not repeal. This also likely had an impact.

Those same issues from 2022 are slightly different but still present in 2025, and in addition to that, we have another 20% tariff on all things made in China. It's not unreasonable to think that Sony held off on price increases in the USA in order to be more competitive with Microsoft, and was okay with doing it in Europe because they are so dominant there. Now that both MS and Nintendo went ahead with price increases in the USA, Sony no longer has any reason not do to it from a competition perspective. If they were eating the cost of the tariffs before, now they have even more reason to pass those costs onto the consumer.

Sony themselves said that tariffs impact their business by 100 billion yen, and that price adjustments might be needed.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4786574-sony-group-corporation-sony-q4-2025-earnings-call-transcript

Junya Ayada: The first question is regarding the impact of the tariff, ¥100 billion. Well, yes, assumption let's say if the assumption going, it continues for the next fiscal year, this ¥100 billion impact is expected for the next fiscal year. So yes, it will be pushing down by ¥100 billion for the next year or by implementing some of the actions, you may be able to reduce this impact or maybe game ET&S, I&SS, sure those are the segments which are impacted by the tariff. But maybe thinking about timeline of the actions, maybe there are some segments which have more difficulties in taking those measures and having a less impact. Would you please talk about that?

Hiroki Totoki: Okay. To that question, let me answer to the question. Well, we do not have a specific simulation, but the measures which we are already implementing on top of the measures, we may have to implement other measures so that we can minimize the impact. That could be the reality. So how we are going to take those actions or measures? Well, usually, we have to reduce the fixed cost. And yes, trying to be competitive, this is leading to the more competitiveness, so maybe we have to do it. Of course, we have to do it. And of course, the shipment from where we are going to make the shipment, that is also a huge impact factor. So thinking about this flexibility of supply chain, we have to refine and adjust the supply chain.

And also in terms of so many SKUs for certain segment, if it's not profitable, then maybe we may have to think about discontinuing or terminating the business if it's not profitable or maybe we may have to switch to the next different model or maybe we have to pass the additional cost onto the price.

Lin Tao: Now I will explain the impact of U.S. tariff policy. The situation surrounding our additional U.S. tariff is changing daily and the future is uncertain. But G&SS, ET&S and I&SS segments, which are currently expected to be impacted are responding quickly to the additional tariff that have already been implemented and are considering responses to multiple possible future scenarios. Under the tariff rate, we assumed we expect to be able to manage the impact on profitability of our continuing operations this fiscal year to approximately ¥100 billion or less than 10% of the operating income forecast we just showed by stockpiling strategic inventory in the U.S., adjusting product shipment allocation on the global basis, raising price on certain products with an eye on market trends and other means.

To respond to the recently adopted U.S. tariff, we have been making preparations such as diversifying PS5 hardware production sites and stockpiling inventory in the U.S. and we expect to implement additional measures at the appropriate time after assessing any changes in the situation going forward.

Unidentified Analyst: And next question is to Tao san. A ¥100 billion is your impact for the additional tariff and semiconductor has not been changed. But those ¥100 billion, the major segments, what kind of businesses are included in this ¥100 billion impact and also into the future, maybe there are some factors for fluctuations such as Forex. what kind of valuable factors you are assuming for this impact?

Lin Tao: Yes, regarding the tariff, let me answer to the tariff question. ¥100 billion impact have been it's assuming the official tariff rate, which has been announced in hardware business is included in this. In terms of our portfolio G&NS games and also ET&S and I&SS semiconductors. So those three segments, we are actually incorporating on par basis from these three businesses.

In terms of the tariff, we are not just simply calculating the simple tariff to come up with ¥100 billion but thinking about the currently available information and also looking at the market trend, we may pass on to the price and also shipment allocation. So we are taking a different measures in managing to come up to the ¥100 billion impact.

 

[kapshin]

InflateGate

 

[Blood Borne]

They were willing to eat those price increases in America in 2022, by spreading the overall cost increases to other countries around the world at that time. America is their number 1 market.

This is pure conjecture.

 

[CLW]

Thats the only thing that trully could fuck us up, if(when) china invades taiwan and US takes it personally, we might not even get any hardware for years, including pc parts.

Nah we just nuke those communist fuckers off the planet problem solved including global warming with out all those billions of commies farting now

 

[Plies]

Sony can suck my dick

 

[Ashamam]

Answer to every question in this thread:

Sony :

Pretty sure there are some wearing hats with red writing tying themselves in knots so as not to upset their preferred world view. Cognitive dissonance and all that. Some who are pretty savvy on other things as well, I can only assume they leave a certain 'faux news' service on 24/7. (and possibly think there being a world outside of the continental states is a hoax.)

 

[CokeDiet]

Sony better start putting giant enemy crabs back into their first party games or I'm done with PlayStation!

 

[yurinka]

Bro, they are only in good shape coz they had no competition(no direct one)

They are breaking records and have (almost) no direct competition because they exterminated the direct competition by consistently doing a better job than them.

With hardware, first party games, 3rd party exclusives or marketing deals, accesories, game sub, etc.

They earned the trust and support of the players and the devs.

 

[yurinka]

Based on what you stated these facts ?

Sony explained it multiple times to investors: limited offer and huge demand (not just from gaming, but also from AI or digital currency mining) kept the component prices increasing since the PS5 release. Something that never happened before in any previous generation, back then the price of the components decreased over time instead. And didn't mentioned it in other cases (just blamed inflation instead) but a big increase in oil price and other circumstances increased international shipping costs too. This year mentioned that it is -obviously- needed to take actions to compensate Trump's tariffs.

If the manufacturing cost was actually up. You would see the price hike globally .

Yes, and they increased the price of the console multiple times globally, but not at the same time worldwide.

 

[PeteBull]

They are breaking records and have (almost) no direct competition because they exterminated the direct competition by consistently doing a better job than them.

With hardware, first party games, 3rd party exclusives or marketing deals, accesories, game sub, etc.

They earned the trust and support of the players and the devs.

I can tell u this gen sony dangerously closes up to what xbox started doing last gen, exclusives wise, on top of terrible pricing strategy for hardware(both base ps5 and the pr0), back then xbox fans dmg controlled and believed in phil spencer, we all know how it ended up, so i say ps fans gotta be smarter than that ant cut all the sony sheanenigans in the bud if they dont wanna end up later where xbox fans are currently.
We all remember that shit:

G

Thread 'I believe in Phil Spencer'

Mar 14, 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDT_DSH1ezs

Since taking over from Mattrick over the last couple of years I'm down for this ride.
Today with the news I thought I'd never here with Live being opened up to cross play to all platforms.

And after listing to his Keynote on Xbox One following the iPad style model with new iterations releasing more regularly and full forwards compatibility so you never lose your library.

I'm not meaning to gush but it's clear there has been a change at Xbox with him, well done Phil.

Spoiler

I hope this thread is taken in the light hearted / a little...

• Gowans
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Trust/support from the players/devs isnt given once and for all, gotta constantly keep giving good value or that trust/support gonna be revoked, ask nintendo, back in SNES days they had all 3rd party devs support and look how it is now

I voice my concerns coz i know its important for sony/playstation brand to stay competetive(would be awesome if xbox and nintendo stayed competetive too but that train is long gone unfortunately).

Lets look at it logically:

Thread '30% of PS5 users are new users and never got a PS4. USA PS5 share compared to peers has "expanded significantly"'

Feb 2, 2023

The fact that roughly 10M of all PS5 users are new is a huge deal. We always talk about how early adapters are people that are already inside an ecosystem, these numbers far exceed my expectations. No wonder Sony is expecting big sales for this quarter now that production issues are not there anymore.

The fact that Sony is gaining ground in the USA is also...the worst type of news their "peers" could wish for, when their main product is on sale...

• Tiago Rodrigues
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• Forum: Gaming Discussion

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If 30% of ps5 users are new/not previous ps4 owners and ps5 sales still stay behind ps5, then it means over 30% old ps4 owners didnt want to get into ps5 ecosystem, likely most of them didnt chose xbox or nintendo, they went pc(probably 25%+ out of those 30%), ofc 30% are new owners who never had ps4, those are former xbox players since we know xbox sales tanked hard(article is from feb 2023, but we know xbox series had troubled sales even back then- ofc it was neatly hidden by MS themselfs and professional clowns like mat piscatella too - obviously it was in their interest avg joe shmoe or even hc console fans dont know the truth for as long as possible ;p ).

 

[yurinka]

I can tell u this gen sony dangerously closes up to what xbox started doing last gen, exclusives wise, on top of terrible pricing strategy for hardware(both base ps5 and the pr0), back then xbox fans dmg controlled and believed in phil spencer, we all know how it ended up, so i say ps fans gotta be smarter than that ant cut all the sony sheanenigans in the bud if they dont wanna end up later where xbox fans are currently.
We all remember that shit:

No, the strategy of Sony has nothing to do with the MS one: they don't put all their games day one on GP. They don't put all their games in PC, and many of the ones ported aren't put there day one. They sign a lot of 1st party and specially 3rd party console exclusives, or games to be only in PS+XB but not in Switch, or games to be PS+Switch but not in XB. Their game sub, unlike the MS one, it's a profitable business because it's focused in older -but better- games providing them extra revenue without sacrificing sales. New Sony first party games have been breaking sales records almost every year this generation, plus also have been sweeping GOTY awards and nominations. Plus also have been releasing cooler accesories like PSVR2 or PS Portal.

Sony is doing a better and smarter strategy that is helping them to break records in almost any metric and reach the all time high active userbase in any console brand in gaming history, plus breaking their revenue or profit records and eating Xbox market share for breakfast.

Trust/support from the players/devs isnt given once and for all, gotta constantly keep giving good value or that trust/support gonna be revoked, ask nintendo, back in SNES days they had all 3rd party devs support and look how it is now

3rd party devs ran away from Nintendo because treated them like shit and Sony instead offered them way better conditions. Things improved at Nintendo since then but Sony continues offering them better conditions (and more importantly, way better 3rd party sales than in the other consoles).

If 30% of ps5 users are new/not previous ps4 owners and ps5 sales still stay behind ps5, then it means over 30% old ps4 owners didnt want to get into ps5 ecosystem, likely most of them didnt chose xbox or nintendo, they went pc(probably 25%+ out of those 30%), ofc 30% are new owners who never had ps4, those are former xbox players since we know xbox sales tanked hard(article is from feb 2023, but we know xbox series had troubled sales even back then- ofc it was neatly hidden by MS themselfs and professional clowns like mat piscatella too - obviously it was in their interest avg joe shmoe or even hc console fans dont know the truth for as long as possible ;p ).

PS5 sales are only around 2-3% under PS4 launch aligned, even if PS5 had the covid shortages, price increases, Switch breaking records and so on. 30% of PS5 players being new means that 30% of the 80M PS5 sold are new users who didn't have PS3 or PS4 coming from PC, Xbox and Nintendo because they prefer PS5 for some reason they prefer PS5 to these platforms. Like you know, these Sony exclusives that win a lot of GOTY awards or break sales records.

A good chunk of PS4 players still haven't migrated because they kept getting crossgen games, good stuff at PS+ and the old GaaS keep supporting PS4. Or maybe due to economy they prefered or needed to migrate later. Once top IPs and studios (like GTA, Bungie, CoD...) stop supporting previous gen in their new games people will start to migrate faster.

And PS having now the biggest active userbase any console brand ever had means that if any PS4 or PS5 user left, a bigger number of new players replaced them, more than compensating that loss. The PS userbase is growing, not decreasing.

 

[joey Dubs]

 

[PeteBull]

No, the strategy of Sony has nothing to do with the MS one: they don't put all their games day one on GP. They don't put all their games in PC, and many of the ones ported aren't put there day one. They sign a lot of 1st party and specially 3rd party console exclusives, or games to be only in PS+XB but not in Switch, or games to be PS+Switch but not in XB. Their game sub, unlike the MS one, it's a profitable business because it's focused in older -but better- games providing them extra revenue without sacrificing sales. New Sony first party games have been breaking sales records almost every year this generation, plus also have been sweeping GOTY awards and nominations. Plus also have been releasing cooler accesories like PSVR2 or PS Portal.

Sony is doing a better and smarter strategy that is helping them to break records in almost any metric and reach the all time high active userbase in any console brand in gaming history, plus breaking their revenue or profit records and eating Xbox market share for breakfast.


3rd party devs ran away from Nintendo because treated them like shit and Sony instead offered them way better conditions. Things improved at Nintendo since then but Sony continues offering them better conditions (and more importantly, way better 3rd party sales than in the other consoles).


PS5 sales are only around 2-3% under PS4 launch aligned, even if PS5 had the covid shortages, price increases, Switch breaking records and so on. 30% of PS5 players being new means that 30% of the 80M PS5 sold are new users who didn't have PS3 or PS4 coming from PC, Xbox and Nintendo because they prefer PS5 for some reason they prefer PS5 to these platforms. Like you know, these Sony exclusives that win a lot of GOTY awards or break sales records.

A good chunk of PS4 players still haven't migrated because they kept getting crossgen games, good stuff at PS+ and the old GaaS keep supporting PS4. Or maybe due to economy they prefered or needed to migrate later. Once top IPs and studios (like GTA, Bungie, CoD...) stop supporting previous gen in their new games people will start to migrate faster.

And PS having now the biggest active userbase any console brand ever had means that if any PS4 or PS5 user left, a bigger number of new players replaced them, more than compensating that loss. The PS userbase is growing, not decreasing.

To all that i just got one thing to say, back from 2016, former xbox one exclusive, quantum break

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Thread 'Quantum Break coming to PC on April 05'

Feb 11, 2016

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/qu...n-confirmed/1100-6434694/?ftag=GSS-05-10aaa0b

During a recent press trip where the Windows edition was confirmed, Remedy did not offer any details on the port. It is unclear whether the PC game was developed in-house at the Finnish studio, or if another developer was involved.

Quantum Break's PC edition is the latest in Microsoft's wider push to expand its games across console and PC. Games currently in development for both platforms includes Gears of War 4, ReCore, Scalebound, and Fable Legends.

Gears 4 and...

• ekim
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Seems like eternity ago, yet it wasnt even 10years from the time the true downfall of xbox happend, if playstation goes this route it wont take more than 10 years for it to be screwed over too- so by the time of ps7 launch we will likely see beginning of an end- hopefully im wrong here ofc but danger is there =/

BTW its super weird when myself(current pc player only, got my old trusty ps4 connected to tv but its last gen so not fair to count it in) notices how playstation is screwing up hard this gen, yet supposedly console only player like yurinka doesnt see anything wrong with that, i say its either coz he is coping or he just argues in bad faith and is already pc player too, so he dmg controls while knowing well how its gonna end up and wants it that way

 

[Hudo]

Salary is relative to the cost of goods/services, hence why inflation is important to distinguish.

Also per SSA average income has increased by roughly 17% from 2020-2023. Per statista wages have been exceeding inflation since 2023. So it is still cheaper no matter how you look at it, versus what it the "actual cost" was in 2020.

I mean, you are of course free to give all the money you want to Sony.