"Lost", 2/23/05, 8:00pm Eastern on ABC
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Yeah Mike watch to at least the Locke episode, if you didn't like it by then you probably won't like the rest.
But damn, I watched the first six or so episodes in a row, I was so hooked. Still am, definitely looking forward to next week too, it seems to me that
Is next week's episode Hurley-centric? If not, who is it?
But damn, I watched the first six or so episodes in a row, I was so hooked. Still am, definitely looking forward to next week too, it seems to me that
the kinds of booby traps seen in the preview are associated with the French woman, we saw Sayid dealing with her traps, and we also know she has a rifle like the one we see pointing at Hurley at the end of the preview, I'm wondering if they are visiting her for a reason, maybe they deciphered more of her map and are going to clarify some stuff with her?
Brian Fellows
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Am I the only one who has seen the spoilers about pre-flight Hurley?
ZootedGranny
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No. I get all my episode synopsis from tvtome.com and they've had the info up for a while. They give slight spoilers, but nothing that'd ruin it for your average viewer.
Stellar episode. I particularly liked the way it integrated a lot of characters in substantial ways. It wasn't just Jin being developed, but rather several characters in small but significant scenes. Plus, all those lovely long shots of people on the beach were really fucking sweet. I also really dig the rule* the DPs use to make the island and flashback scenes distinct, with the island scenes using more handheld camera action and the flashbacks being primarily steadicam.
*and the exception proves the rule.
*and the exception proves the rule.
Tortfeasor
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Anyone able to find a translation of the korean on the TV screen yet?
Greenpanda
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Tortfeasor said:
Word on the 'net is that it says that he
won the lottery in L.A.
An interesting article/interview with the Lost team. Spoiler-free if you're current with what has been aired.
http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2005-02-22-lost_x.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2005-02-22-lost_x.htm
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Greenpanda said:
Yep that be it.
Mike Works
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I was drawn in by the first and hooked by the second, but Locke's episode was just fucking stellar. I love those moments in quality TV and cinema when they reveal a surprise (Goreomedy said:
his wheelchair
) as I didn't get to watch #5, but I ain't doing shit after work tomorrow. If the rest of the episodes keep my interest, I'll certainly buy the Season 1 DVD and I'll FINALLY have something to watch on Wednesday.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
suaveric said:
There is one not that specific spoiler in there. Luckily (sort of) I'd already read that accidentally a while back, so I'm ok. For anyone else though, it's up to you. It tells you something that's going to happen, but details aren't very...well, aren't.
BuckRobotron
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Ahhh. I thought the name sounded slightly familiar in the credits (probably from watching Crusade back when), I've been addicted to Tenchu: Return from Darkness for the past week.
Anyway, excellent episode.
Anyway, excellent episode.
I'm still very torn on Lost. I like it a lot, but I also rather hate it. It's still mixing some great storylines (Kate's, Sawyer's, Charlie's) with pure fucking tedium (Boone's, Sayid's, Michael's).
I'm getting very frustrated by things not just not getting resolved, but being flat-out ignored. They spend a couple of episodes agonising over a metal door in the floor, then ignore it. There's a mysterious French woman hinting at other people on the island... one guy visits her and it's over after that ("well, she's a guest star, she can't come back that often"). I don't really like the idea of multi-season story arcs because I think it's lazy and builds up an unjustified amount of speculation and hype that can only result in a damp squib -- see 24 (well, the thing that happened at the end of Season 2 specifically) and Alias for examples. I'm amazed the Polar Bear turned up again, thought they'd forgotten about that. But I really want answers, and soon.
On the one hand, you have what has to be one of the most brilliant episodes of anything I've ever seen with Locke's story, Walkabout. A really really REALLY good twist is one that survives the fact that you knew it was coming and STILL hits you hard. Someone spoiled Sixth Sense for me before I saw it. I knew what happened through every scene. But when the actual twist came, it still hit me. Ditto Locke. Certain scenes gave it away and I had it nailed, but damnit, watching that twist really got me.
It is good enough to stick with overall, especially since we're near the end now and they have to leave us with SOMETHING. Hurley's episode should be great. What I really like about the show and what I hope they accentuate is the Castaway/Lord of the Flies stuff, how people are all "breaking down" in the conditions.
EDIT: Oh and Jin is a fairly decently-sized extra in 24 as a CTU operative.
I'm getting very frustrated by things not just not getting resolved, but being flat-out ignored. They spend a couple of episodes agonising over a metal door in the floor, then ignore it. There's a mysterious French woman hinting at other people on the island... one guy visits her and it's over after that ("well, she's a guest star, she can't come back that often"). I don't really like the idea of multi-season story arcs because I think it's lazy and builds up an unjustified amount of speculation and hype that can only result in a damp squib -- see 24 (well, the thing that happened at the end of Season 2 specifically) and Alias for examples. I'm amazed the Polar Bear turned up again, thought they'd forgotten about that. But I really want answers, and soon.
On the one hand, you have what has to be one of the most brilliant episodes of anything I've ever seen with Locke's story, Walkabout. A really really REALLY good twist is one that survives the fact that you knew it was coming and STILL hits you hard. Someone spoiled Sixth Sense for me before I saw it. I knew what happened through every scene. But when the actual twist came, it still hit me. Ditto Locke. Certain scenes gave it away and I had it nailed, but damnit, watching that twist really got me.
It is good enough to stick with overall, especially since we're near the end now and they have to leave us with SOMETHING. Hurley's episode should be great. What I really like about the show and what I hope they accentuate is the Castaway/Lord of the Flies stuff, how people are all "breaking down" in the conditions.
EDIT: Oh and Jin is a fairly decently-sized extra in 24 as a CTU operative.
This is barely a spoiler, and only a vague notion of what's to come, butFowler said:
both of those will be addressed very, very soon
The only little mystery that hasn't been addressed that really ticks me off is the mummies in the cave. They found MUMMIFIED REMAINS in the place they're now living, and they were never discussed after their discovery. C'mon! At least tell us what they did with them. Somehow, I have a strange feeling that this will be the subject of that possible new footage on the DVD set.
Even if the mysterious aren't resolved in a satisfying manner, I'll still have several really great character-based episodes. So far, I much prefer those to the parts of the show dealing with the monster. polar bear or Ethan, quite honestly. Or at least, I think the execution of those concepts leaves something to be desired.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
I didn't see the final Locke twist coming at all, which is amazing to me when I look back at the clues. I suspect it's because they kept distracting me with the other mini twists. Outstanding writing (and directing, acting, sound and music etc.), I can't remember the last time a show gave me clues like that and I didn't see it coming. I really wish it happened more. I guess I envy slightly stupider people or something.
Anyway, for those who don't want to check that usatoday article or can't be bothered, I'll pick some choice quotes (non-spoiler if you've watched the episodes to date, if not maybe avoid them) that will probably allay a lot of people's fears. Should do anyway, they're saying all the right things:
Anyway, for those who don't want to check that usatoday article or can't be bothered, I'll pick some choice quotes (non-spoiler if you've watched the episodes to date, if not maybe avoid them) that will probably allay a lot of people's fears. Should do anyway, they're saying all the right things:
Dan said:
Haha, I totally forgot about the remains too.
I don't mind the character episodes but some of them aren't very good. Sayid's was a weird one for me because while the story was cool, the flashbacks felt very... forced. Prior to that the characters warping in and out and flashbacks, while predictable, was both relevant and felt natural. With Sayid I kept thinking "Oh god, here comes another one..." Which is a pity because I really like his actual character.
Lost does have very good characters. They're pretty well done in their various roles right across the board, from Charlie to Jack to Sayid to Hurley to Kate to Sawyer. And then there's the brilliant Locke.
The "mystery" plots don't work because they're very inconsistent in their handling of them. Like the damned monster. I like how right after one monster scare they all bugger off to play golf. And they are so determined to keep stuff locked up that it's very sloppily done -- you actually feel like they're withholding information for the sake of withholding information. Ethan is a good example.
JUST when we thought we were going to get answers, Charlie fucking shoots him. And then everyone acts like "Well, Charlie's right, he probably wasn't going to talk anyway." WHAT THE HELL? At least fucking TRY. But no, he gets shot and that plot fizzles out.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
I don't really agree with that
Are they? Maybe I'm not understanding what you're saying. I'm trying to think of an example other than the one you've put forward. And was that right after a monster attack? I can't remember when they happened exactly.
Charlie and Ethan point. Just because Charlie's reasoning is that Ethan wouldn't have said anything anyway, doesn't mean anyone else has accepted that. I think it's more that the guy's dead now, there's nothing the rest of them can do about it, and there's no law there so who are they to reprimand Charlie for killing the guy who tried to hang him, killed one of the group and kidnapped the girl he's falling in love with?
Are they? Maybe I'm not understanding what you're saying. I'm trying to think of an example other than the one you've put forward. And was that right after a monster attack? I can't remember when they happened exactly.
Lost Storytelling is not linear storytelling, deal with it. Abrams has never been involved in anything intrinsically linear...Alias was never linear in its structure, Felicity (Even thought so very different from the other shows) was all over the place with its love triangles and strange haircuts, and now Lost is the same way. It will not progress as a film would, and never will.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
I assume that he's not talking about structure as in Lost's island sequences and then flashbacks and the Alias way you describe, but rather the way mysteries unfold.
As in, you may hear about something early on, but it won't necessarily be solved within the next few episodes. It might not even be mentioned. Could take seasons for a few things.
Maybe it's me who's not reading him right though.
As in, you may hear about something early on, but it won't necessarily be solved within the next few episodes. It might not even be mentioned. Could take seasons for a few things.
Maybe it's me who's not reading him right though.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
I know, it's just how it read to me. Seemed like maybe his word usage was wrong, but that's still how I saw it. As in...this episode starts the mystery, the next episode has more of it, the next episode solves it. Move onto the next mystery.
Assuming you're actually right in what he's saying, are people actually complaining about Lost's episode structure? I haven't read through the thread, just the latest posts, but that would just be ridiculous. The flashbacks and the way they relate to the present circumstances are the best part of the show, take it away and you'd lose a lot.
Assuming you're actually right in what he's saying, are people actually complaining about Lost's episode structure? I haven't read through the thread, just the latest posts, but that would just be ridiculous. The flashbacks and the way they relate to the present circumstances are the best part of the show, take it away and you'd lose a lot.
Mama Smurf said:
It was poorly worded, but yes, that was my intention.
Yes, each individual episodes proceeds at a linear pace, but the storytelling does not. Something that seemed so insignificant at one point suddenly becomes intensely clear on shows like Alias and Lost. It requires recall of past events to see how the entire story has played out. It requires hints to be dropped, mysteries to be left open, and basically for twists and turns to come up throughout.
If people want "Mystery introduced, Mystery Solved" for Lost, it is not going to happen, because that is not the format of the show.
border said:
Linearity in terms of storytelling, to me anyways, is that clues aren't readily apparent and mysteries aren't wrapped up nicely in the span of a few episodes. Long, slowly unravelling and complex mysteries could go in multiple directions, could throw up various red herrings, and essentially be the kind of storyline Lost has now.
Mike Works
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Phew, just finished watching all 17 episodes in the span of, what, 3 days? Since i'm really tired right now, I'll save my comments for later and just throw some quick questions out there;
1) What are the leading theories of what the monster is?
2) Same question, replace what monster is with why polar bears... are... (there)...
3) Whispers- insanity or others
I will state one comment though. I've developed a crush on the Australian girl. Her and her alone might have convinced me to change my plans for a holiday this year. I was going to go to Italy, but Australia is suddenly looking very, very good.
1) What are the leading theories of what the monster is?
2) Same question, replace what monster is with why polar bears... are... (there)...
3) Whispers- insanity or others
I will state one comment though. I've developed a crush on the Australian girl. Her and her alone might have convinced me to change my plans for a holiday this year. I was going to go to Italy, but Australia is suddenly looking very, very good.
ConfusingJazz
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Mike Works said:
2) Watch the episode about the kid, and look at the comic book from the first episode. The comic book has a polar bear...
Mike Works
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I'm a complete sucker for accents. It used to be just Southern (American) ie Texan accents, but then it evolved into French. Now watching Lost, I realize it's (also) all about Australian accents on women. Good God it's hot.Mr Gump said:
Really? I thought she just played a Canuck on TV, that's pretty cool. And yeah, she is quite hot too. Shannon also, with her wierd sneer look. Deserves a slap of course, but she's still good lookin.Socreges said:
hahaha, that doesn't answer my question at all. They're all in a comic book? I suppose you could be alluding that these troubles are all manifestations of the people's fear, I dunno.ConfusingJazz said:
I haven't seen this posted in the topic (or if it was I must have skipped over it), but the new TV Guide says pretty much what the next episode will be about, don't read if you don't want to be spoiled:
That hulking jokester Hurley (Jorge Garcia), who has quietly emerged as a fan favorite, has been conspicuously absent recently. But tonight we get his long-awaited backstory, which true to the series delivers surprises.
For starters, it's revealed that Hurley's a multimillionaire, thanks to a lotter payoff. Trouble is, the win has cursed him with family tragedies. More troubling is that the lottery picks that made him rich match numbers on a map Sayid got from the enigmatic Rousseau-a discovery that sends Hurley off into the jungle on a dangerous quest.
For starters, it's revealed that Hurley's a multimillionaire, thanks to a lotter payoff. Trouble is, the win has cursed him with family tragedies. More troubling is that the lottery picks that made him rich match numbers on a map Sayid got from the enigmatic Rousseau-a discovery that sends Hurley off into the jungle on a dangerous quest.
Mike Works
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Ooh, I never picked up on that. That's right, because the step father was saying he was special or different, right? I hope this doesn't mean that every weird thing on the island is a result of him though.suaveric said:
Also, I've been reading some interesting minor things on the series elsewhere;
- The names Locke and Rousseau are those of famous philosphers John Locke and Jean-Jacques Rousseau. Locke's monologue about light and dark and the episode title Tabula Rasa where some ideas of the philosopher John Lock.
- Ethan Rom is an anagram for "other man".
Oh, and if you're going to reply to ohamsie's spoilers, please not only use spoiler text, but use ALL spoiler text, so we don't see something like;
"I think it makes sense that
Locke
kill the little kid
punks
This and Arrested Development have been the two new TV show's I've got hooked on this year. Thank God Lost has some security. I'd go insane if it was in the same position ratings wise as AD, thanks to all the unanswered questions.
One question though, how many more episodes left in the season, and is it constistenly on every Wednesday?
Mike Works said:
Heh, you and me both.
Mike Works said:
Originally there were going to be 22 episodes, but I think ABC upped it to 24 episodes after seeing how successful it was. Las week's episode was number 17, so the first season is getting set to wrap up soon.
They do show Lost every Wednesday to my knowledge, but sometimes they go a few weeks without a new episode and just show repeats. I think most of March is supposed to go like that sadly.
Unfortunately, Lost will go on hiatus after Episode 18, showing repeats up until April 13th, when the series will have a final run up to the sweeps finale:
03.02 LOST Episode 18: "Numbers"
03.09 LOST Episode 11: "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues" (R)
03.16 LOST Episode 12: "Whatever the Case May Be" (R)
03.23 LOST Episode 13: "Hearts and Minds" (R)
03.30 LOST Episode 14: "Special" (R)
04.06 LOST Episode 15: "Homecoming" (R
04.13 LOST Episode 19: "Deus Ex Machina"
04.20 LOST Episode 20: "Do No Harm"
04.27 LOST Episode 21: "The Greater Good"
05.04 LOST Episode 22
05.11 LOST Episode 23 and 24: Season Finale.
03.02 LOST Episode 18: "Numbers"
03.09 LOST Episode 11: "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues" (R)
03.16 LOST Episode 12: "Whatever the Case May Be" (R)
03.23 LOST Episode 13: "Hearts and Minds" (R)
03.30 LOST Episode 14: "Special" (R)
04.06 LOST Episode 15: "Homecoming" (R
04.13 LOST Episode 19: "Deus Ex Machina"
04.20 LOST Episode 20: "Do No Harm"
04.27 LOST Episode 21: "The Greater Good"
05.04 LOST Episode 22
05.11 LOST Episode 23 and 24: Season Finale.
Mike Works
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Yeah, I was getting pissed that they showed a bunch of people twice and nothing for Hurley.Cyan said:
small Hurley spoilers that I accidentally read:
Hurley apparently won the lottery in Australia
somewhat bigger Hurley spoilers that I accidentally read:
apparently his winning lottery numbers are on the map that Sahid took from the French woman
next episode summary (ie the plot, but no spoilers as to the result of anything):
after discovering the numbers on the map, a small crew go out to find the French woman
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