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duckroll said:
Why do you always make posts like this? If it bothers you so much to see people post negative things about your favorite show, you can just ignore it, or respond to the discussions which interest you. Instead you always feel like you need to defend any criticism with one-liners and smart ass remarks, and then when you get "outnumbered" you start whining. It's really terrible.
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Because it bothers me when someone tells someone they wont enjoy something when cleary thousands of people loved the ending
 
Drealmcc0y said:
Because it bothers me when someone tells someone they wont enjoy something when cleary thousands of people loved the ending
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Would it also bother you if someone tells someone they will enjoy something when clearly thousands of people hated the ending?
 
duckroll said:
Would it also bother you if someone tells someone they will enjoy something when clearly thousands of people hated the ending?
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Not as much, but i dont think people should force their opinions on others
 
The series was great, last season was awesome too. It's not about the science, it's about the people.
 
Kate, we have to go back!

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:D

Gotta find someone who has not seen it so I can re-watch it with them.
 
Considering the show was pitched and funded as "A scripted Survivor" before, I think that the creators knew the ultimate purpose was to take over as the island's protector, and that there was some force working counter to that goal from the very beginning. That was the basis for all of the game symbolism, and the black/white stuff representing the two sides to the conflict. They also likely knew that the island was a space-time anomaly that is constantly skipping around, as it is the only time in the show where there is a single, definitive, and unified answer given that explains a whole bunch of phenomena from the first two seasons.

Character specific details and plot-points are what they had to make up later on in the show's run, but that raises the question of "How far ahead of time, how definitively, and how detailed do the writers need to plot things out to not get accused of making shit up as they go along?" I think they did a decent job of knowing where they were going with the characters, the big mythology, and major plot-points at least a season or two in advance, but there are too many plotholes with the mythology because they didn't detail it enough from the beginning and stick to.

Honestly, I'd have a hard time reconciling the characters building an airstrip for no discernible reason during season 3 with the writers having no idea where they were going with the show. And I believe the writers when they sat that they were working on the idea of going back in time to the DHARMA era and causing The Incident from the moment they were plotting out the entire Hatch arch for season two. Is it just a coincidence the DI has a fleet of Back to the Future vans? I don't think so, but maybe I'm just more of a believer or more forgiving than most.

tl;dr, LOST had a lot of flaws, but it is still my favorite TV show of all time.
 
Drealmcc0y said:
Anyone else agree that

"The substitute", "Lighthouse", "Sundown" and "Dr Linus" is one of the best stretches of episodes of the whole show

"The Candidate", "Across the Sea", "What they died" for and "The End" is even better i think.

This doesnt even include "Ab Aeterno" and "Happily Ever After"

Season 6 FTW!
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I'll give you the first stretch, I like all of those episodes, with Lighthouse being my least favorite of the group.

But that second group, not so much. How can it be one of the best stretches of episodes when it contains what is easily the worst episode of the series that wasn't bullshit filler? As a huge Lost fan, Across the Sea is an embarrassment. Not to be too dramatic.
 
Lost was awesome. Need to give it a rewatch maybe in a few months. Cause thinking about the finale it doesn't feel right. Should of been better.
 
Sleeper901 said:
Good show overall

Last season was ok until the end which was such a let down
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I actually thought it was the opposite. The last season was pretty iffy throughout the middle part, and I hated most of the major story points on the island, but the ending was fantastic.
 
I'd say more people liked the ending than hated it. You'll always have haters but when I'm browsing the web on Lost-related material, I'm always seeing comments about how beautiful a certain scene was in the finale, or how well directed/acted a certain part was, etc. If you're consistently exposed to negative hotspots of the internet, yeah, you'll probably think more people hated it than liked it, but Damon and Carlton frequently talk about how surprised they are that so many people actually did respond well to the finale. That doesn't account for everyone obviously but I'm pretty sure that if so many people truly hated the finale-- like they did Across the Sea-- they wouldn't be saying such.
 
That collectors edition looks sweet! But why 36 BR disks? Is it because of loads of behind the scenes footage, commentary and other stuff or just 4 episodes per disk?
 
They had me until season six. It was as if they fired the writers of seasons four and five and did whatever they felt like in the last season. I've wondered if one could watch season one and season six back-to-back and view a more coherent story since the last season made all but a few moments in-between irrelevant. I might do that someday and see if it works.
 
brandonh83 said:
I'd say more people liked the ending than hated it.
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It is near-impossible to hate on Jack's ending. They couldn't have done it any other way! Well, I guess they could have, but that would have been disappointing.
 
duckroll said:
I actually thought it was the opposite. The last season was pretty iffy throughout the middle part, and I hated most of the major story points on the island, but the ending was fantastic.
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This must be where I sit too. A good ending can do a lot for a show, and when I think back to the finale I'm not filled with disappointment or anger, indeed I can actually gloss over many of the problems of season 6 (and the show) because it was so satisfying.

It's like the opposite of BSG.
 
MjFrancis said:
It is near-impossible to hate on Jack's ending. They couldn't have done it any other way! Well, I guess they could have, but that would have been disappointing.
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I agree. Solo ended up liking Jack by the end, so if that doesn't tell you anything...
 
duckroll said:
I hope you don't come back.
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I love you.

And regarding the finale, I also feel it was the highest quality episode of the season, however that should be expected. I still feel the way they handled the antagonists story (Mib) was downright awful though. Nothing really felt at stake because they were so goddamn ambiguous about what he could potentially do. And corking/uncorking the light, well, it was all rather nonsensical. Still, Jack's death was incredibly touching.
 
I was about as big a LOST fanboy as ever did exist, but in hindsight I too was slightly disappointed by Season 6. The issue, for me, is that when the writers finally found themselves in the perfect position to answer questions, they still didn't. Sure, say the show is about the characters, that's fine. But if we have a Jacob/Monster flashback, we better learn something. Instead we got fuck all.

I still love the show. I thought Ab Aeterno was among the best hours of TV I've ever seen. I loved the ending, and The Candidate, What They Died For, and The End were all excellent. I enjoyed the final season, but it could have been so much better.
 
Finally got around to watching the epilogue thing on the DVDs. I was extremely bummed that that was the last new Lost thing I'll ever see.
 
Emerson said:
I was about as big a LOST fanboy as ever did exist, but in hindsight I too was slightly disappointed by Season 6. The issue, for me, is that when the writers finally found themselves in the perfect position to answer questions, they still didn't. Sure, say the show is about the characters, that's fine. But if we have a Jacob/Monster flashback, we better learn something. Instead we got fuck all.
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They answered:

the smoke monster
the numbers
the whispering
why the plane crashed in the first place, was the biggie to me personally
who Jacob was and what he was trying to do
the Black Rock
and they also managed to wrap up every single important character arc

You know. Pretty much every single main mystery, character journey, and story thread was cleared up.
 
Lost was great with characters, but terrible with mythology. The origin of the island, the 'magic', the rules, the biggest questions of all for me, were all left pretty much in the air (Bu-bu midichlorians). Character wise though I felt it ended well.
 
Watching alot of the bonus stuff and listening to the LA X and Across The Sea commentaries, I'm reminded of how much I enjoyed the Polar Boro's approach to creating the show. Obviously a lot of people felt the complete opposite, but every choice they made in Season 6 really landed for me, and it's nice to hear their thought processes behind them and how they validate my appreciation for it.

Lost rules, man.
 
hamchan said:
Let's talk about Dogen and how much we hate him.
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I liked Dogen. As brief as his role may have been, his behavior and backstory answered a ton about who The Others are, what their function is, what rules dictate their behavior, and what their methodology is in recruiting new people. Dogen's deal is essentially the same one that Juliet accepted.

I also liked the structure of the others and Dogen's refusal to speak directly to the people he commands mirrors the how Jacob uses an intermediary.

Jacob -> Richard -> Others
Dogen -> Lennon -> Others
 
Mojo said:
The origin of the island, the 'magic', the rules, the biggest questions of all for me, were all left pretty much in the air.
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I think it would have been cool to learn a little bit more about the island's origin and why the light is inside, but I feel that the light/magic is just one of those things that can't really be put into words. It's best to just try to understand it within the context of the actual story going on. In a way I think it's neater to not exactly know its absolute function, I think by doing that it does tell us a lot more about the island and why it's special, but it doesn't take the mystery of the island completely away either. I prefer that.

I never really did care about the rules but for me they still became crystal clear when you think about everything that went on. The Man in Black couldn't directly kill a candidate, which is why he planted the bomb in the backpack. He was manipulating them into killing each other. There's one rule. I suppose when Jacob touched each of the candidates, he gave them protection from directly being killed by the Man in Black. Something that interests me though, is this: would the bomb have exploded if they just let the timer completely run out? When Sawyer pulled the wire, it counted down really fast and blew-- it still could have killed them. It actually... did kill one of them directly and two more died in the aftermath.

I think to me that it says something about choices, and it ties into the rules as well as the nature of the power that Jacob gave to the candidates: the dynamite in the Black Rock didn't blow up because Jack believed it wouldn't. Sawyer, though, did not believe and had no faith, therefore his action of pulling the wires "enabled" them to be harmed. This relates to John Locke as well. He believed in the power of the island and that's what made him special; he believed in it and it opened up a whole new can of worms for him-- it's why he was able to see the light in the jungle way back in season 1, for example. The point I'm trying to make is that most of these answers do exist, you just have to look for them and find them by taking information presented in one event and tie it into another.
 
brandonh83 said:
They answered:

the smoke monster Fair enough, though we're left with tons of questions about its actual nature, whether there was one before the MIB, etc.
the numbers Knew this in Season 2, not really relevant to my criticism of Season 6
the whispering awkwardly thrown in there, not really a big surprise either
why the plane crashed in the first place, was the biggie to me personally See the numbers
who Jacob was and what he was trying to do Fair enough
the Black Rock no big mystery here really, a lot of people speculated that Richard came on it
and they also managed to wrap up every single important character arc

You know. Pretty much every single main mystery, character journey, and story thread was cleared up.
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Response above. But we're left with a ton of unanswered questions, among the most aggravating of which being the numerous hints towards Egyptian civilization on the island, left completely unaddressed.
 
Emerson said:
Response above. But we're left with a ton of unanswered questions, among the most aggravating of which being the numerous hints towards Egyptian civilization on the island, left completely unaddressed.
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But by knowing the nature of the island bringing people to it in order to find a potential protector, it's easy to assume that Egyptian civilizations were "brought" to the island in the same way that Oceanic 815, or the Black Rock. I don't really think it needs to be elaborated on more than that. We see tons of things that the Egyptians left behind; wall markings, heiroglyphics, etc. It's probable that this was the product of the Egyptians trying to crack the mystery of the island, in the same way that Dharma came and left behind their studies and architecture.
 
Ah, all my subscribed threads are dying!

I still don't have a show to replace Lost. Anything coming up over the horizon that has you guys excited?
 
A lot of the answers are there for people to find them, some of them aren't. Theories can be made, they'll always be just that though.

Probably the thing I found lacking from the final season though was this urgency and danger surrounding MIB.
 
McBacon said:
Ah, all my subscribed threads are dying!

I still don't have a show to replace Lost. Anything coming up over the horizon that has you guys excited?
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The closest thing with this kind of vibe would probably be The Walking Dead, both in terms of fan expections/pedigree as well as content.

TWD isn't mystery packed however, speaking only in terms of characters.
 
McBacon said:
Ah, all my subscribed threads are dying!

I still don't have a show to replace Lost. Anything coming up over the horizon that has you guys excited?
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Looking for a show that's the same genre as Lost or just any good show?

^Oh yes Walking Dead should be nice if it maintains the same quality as the comics.
 
I bull rushed all six seasons in about six weeks from middle May to July. Really enjoyed the show. Probably won't buy the discs though. :lol
 
McBacon said:
Ah, all my subscribed threads are dying!

I still don't have a show to replace Lost. Anything coming up over the horizon that has you guys excited?
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I was in the same situation as you.
I watched Dexter and Breaking Bad. Problem solved!
 
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