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Well, there was Ilana's apparent dismissal of the fake Locke right after the crash

Could you refresh my memory here? It's been a while since Season 5 for me.

You'd have to remember her though, and it doesn't look like the writers did!
(Well, it's not nearly as bad as when they forgot about the Kwon kid.)

I love how such a huge theme of the show was about shitty fathers whose shittiness mess up their kids by either being absent, dead etc.... and then they have Jin commit suicide in order to die with Sun. Ultimately Darlton were the very thing their show was criticizing (Reminds me of FF13 where Lightning is like "We're going to protect Orphan!" and then she kills Orphan with her friends five minutes later).

Man, Lost has some really crazy thematic shit that Darlton didn't intend.

Well... "the doctor was simply incompetent" would work, technically, but it would still be a huge cop-out, up there with "the psychic was just a fraud" or "Faraday was crying because plane crashes are sad"...

I hear what you're saying, but I think I'm more lenient on the doctor flashback since it was a standalone story IIRC. Aaron had been built up throughout the early seasons from more than just the psychic flashback (Similarly to Walt IMO), so the "fraud" thing just confused that whole plotline.

Was that the explanation for Faraday in the end? I remember theories at the time were something like "He's crying because he remembers about the crash from Desmond", though that doesn't really explain it either.

"Oh, you were intrigued by that mystery we introduced back then? Well, that's too bad: there was absolutely nothing interesting, there." Man, it's almost as if they never knew what was up with those... But surely, that can't be right! Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse wouldn't blatantly lie to their audience, would they?!

Hahaha.

Lost was sort of a fun mess of a show in that regard. You could always tell when plans would change, and figuring what things were supposed to be is sort of fun in of itself. Unfortunately that doesn't make the writing very good in the end, at least in the case of this series.

That's how you can tell I'm horribly biased when it comes to this show: I hadn't even considered that perfectly logical and elegant hypothesis!

Exactly. Shit, I'm surprised you didn't realize this before!

Hey, maybe that's also how he appeared to Michael as Christian right before the freighter exploded! Flying smoke clone!

Joking aside for a minute, isn't that basically the actual explanation in the end?

I mean, if Jin can be in the Island's "range" for time travel somehow, I...guess MiB being able to go to the Freighter is too?


And I'm sure he had very good reasons to do that, back then. And to not do that, in other circumstances.

That's the thing about the MiB. As often as we saw him, his motivations for individual actions never made sense. And the more and more powers we learned he had, the less and less sense did it make for him to actually lose to the Losties.

Why did he kill Jacob before the Candidates for starters? He used Ben to do it, who I don't believe was actually a candidate, and still could have impersonated Locke whenever to screw with Ben's mind.

Naaah, best show ever!

It's right up there with FF13 writing-wise. XD

I'm sure that's because season 6 was already packed to the gills with absolutely vital stuff.

Someone pointed out to me that there's a lot of walking on-Island in Season 6. People were always walking in the jungle kind of arbitrarily. Whenever they needed to be out of a scene for whatever reason, they were just taking a walk.
 
Could you refresh my memory here? It's been a while since Season 5 for me.
(Fake) Locke was standing right there on the beach while Ilana and her fellow other Others were preparing the crate that would later be revealed to contain the real Locke's corpse. You'd think she'd be concerned about that.

I love how such a huge theme of the show was about shitty fathers whose shittiness mess up their kids by either being absent, dead etc.... and then they have Jin commit suicide in order to die with Sun. Ultimately Darlton were the very thing their show was criticizing (Reminds me of FF13 where Lightning is like "We're going to protect Orphan!" and then she kills Orphan with her friends five minutes later).

Man, Lost has some really crazy thematic shit that Darlton didn't intend.
Hahaha! And the writers were always trying to get rid of the kid characters they had created, that was cute. Kid characters are so cumbersome, after all!

Walt? The Others kidnap him because he's "special" and then let him go because of reasons, and... ah, well, let's say he'll live with his grandmother from then on.
Aaron? The psychic said he was super important, but then again maybe not. Not so important that Claire wouldn't leave him right there in the jungle, anyway! He leaves the island without her (guess Desmond needs glasses for his visions), and... ah, well, let's say he'll live with his grandmother from then on.
Ji Yeon? She was a super big deal for her parents, until she wasn't. Completely forgot bout her, damn. We could shoot a quick pick-up scene to acknowledge her existence and... ah, well, let's say she'll live with her grandmother from then on.

I'm sure that's a theme, right there. Not lazy writing. [Lucas]It's like poetry, it rhymes.[/Lucas]

I hear what you're saying, but I think I'm more lenient on the doctor flashback since it was a standalone story IIRC.
Well, Eko's death might have helped a bit with that! On the other hand, Claire was still around in the final season to remind us that all that stuff with her psychic and her baby never amounted to anything.
But yeah, that's not as bad as the core "mythology" (the Senet Siblings, the Rules, the Others) making no sense, or the main characters being assassinated on a regular basis.
People often cite the tattoo episode as the worst of the show, but it's so easy to ignore... There was a fuckload of problems on the show, and Bai Ling really wasn't the biggest of the lot.

Was that the explanation for Faraday in the end? I remember theories at the time were something like "He's crying because he remembers about the crash from Desmond", though that doesn't really explain it either.
Viewers were certainly led to believe there was something supernatural going on, there, but yes, in the end, it was resolved in true Lost fashion: he was crying because plane crashes are sad.
That was in the episode where Faraday explained that after years of research, he realized he was wrong about history being set in stone, because we, human beings, are the "variable" of the "equation", because love (it's super-complicated science, peons like us couldn't possibly understand). How I laughed.

Lost was sort of a fun mess of a show in that regard. You could always tell when plans would change, and figuring what things were supposed to be is sort of fun in of itself.
Absolutely.

Joking aside for a minute, isn't that basically the actual explanation in the end?
I dunno, they never went back to that one, did they? Or maybe in the encyclopedia, then? I mean, I guess they could still argue it really was Christian's ghost. Appearing to Michael. Because why the fuck not.

I mean, if Jin can be in the Island's "range" for time travel somehow, I...guess MiB being able to go to the Freighter is too?
Then again...
Ah, well!

That's the thing about the MiB. As often as we saw him, his motivations for individual actions never made sense. And the more and more powers we learned he had, the less and less sense did it make for him to actually lose to the Losties.
Exactly. And it's not just the number of his abilities or all the time he had to come up with a good plan or two: even the Sacred Rules turned out to be fairly easy to circumvent. "You tried to disarm my bomb, so it can kill you, now!" Fuck, really? And you still managed to lose, Smokey?

Someone pointed out to me that there's a lot of walking on-Island in Season 6. People were always walking in the jungle kind of arbitrarily. Whenever they needed to be out of a scene for whatever reason, they were just taking a walk.
"Hey, we should go over to that other group, now. For some reason. Let's walk."
"Look, I know you really want some answers (seeing how I just massacred your loved ones before your very eyes), and I'll be more than happy to give them to you... but for now, we have to keep moving. Because. It will make sense later on. Perhaps."
It sure was a thrilling final season, and you could tell the writers were eager to finally reveal their cards.
 
Some of you may know this, but Bethany Shady (Jorge/Hurley's girlfriend in real life) was on set a lot during production and she posts a lot of shots on her Twitter.

Here's some that she posted today.

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"Baby Aaron" needed a smoke the night of the finale's church scene.

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What the Ajira airplane really looked like.

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Jorge checking out the awesome detail of The Temple.
 
Some more...

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Me in the grave that Ilana made Ben dig for himself.

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Set piece near The Temple in season 6 that wasn't really seen in any epi.

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Interior view of the fuselage after they burned it.

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The fuselage used to be stored behind this weak fence
 
Man, Lost is one of my all time favorite shows, but I could spend days criticising it. I have a (Likely super fanfictiony) idea for how I'd do Season 6, would anyone want me to post it here? a lot of the stuff I'm seeing on here is close to what I've been thinking of. (really hope this doesnt sound stupid, I've been desperate to go off on a huge Lost tangent somewhere).
 
Man, Lost is one of my all time favorite shows, but I could spend days criticising it. I have a (Likely super fanfictiony) idea for how I'd do Season 6, would anyone want me to post it here? a lot of the stuff I'm seeing on here is close to what I've been thinking of. (really hope this doesnt sound stupid, I've been desperate to go off on a huge Lost tangent somewhere).
Heh, reminds me of Hurley in 'Some Like it Hoth' :p

I actually like reading alternate 'what-if' scenarios like this. By all means, share away!

Man, was Aaron hanged or something?
:lol, it does look kinda morbid.
 
Heh, reminds me of Hurley in 'Some Like it Hoth' :p

I actually like reading alternate 'what-if' scenarios like this. By all means, share away!

Hey it does!


Well, to shorten this up a bit, I'll just start at Season 6. The bomb is blown up so all the rules are off the table.

Start with LA X, but instead of having ANY on island stuff, have it just be a regular 1 hour episode...except Jack remembers everything pretty quickly (maybe when he speaks to Locke), but no one else does. He has a typical Jack meltdown in the airport when he realizes he made a mistake by destroying Jughead. End of episode 1.

Then the next few episodes deal with the history of the island, starting with Jacob and The Man in Black, and their fate is heavily tied into the numbers and the Egyptian mythology of the show. Then get to Ab Aeterno, and REALLY spend a few episodes getting the history and mysteries of the island resolved, like the Others, the random events, etc.

And if the flashes structure needs to be there, have Jack and maybe Desmond "waking" everyone up for the first half of the season, instead of waiting until the very end.

Eventually, history catches up to MiB getting Ben to kill Jacob. MiB leaves the island, but we aren't given a clear explanation as to what that means.

So we are at about halfway through the season, and Jack has everyone reunited in the church (I would do this scene pretty much like they did, except for the incredibly clunky dialogue from Christian Shepard). Then when they're all hugging and celebrating in the pews, and Christian heads to the back into the light...and is promptly stabbed by someone, Locke.

Locke is possessed by MiB, and yells at everyone, asking them why they'd want to leave, as he's given them everything they wanted. Somehow, him leaving the island actually did cause him to become one with the electromagnetic energy, or time or something, and he gained the ability to rewrite reality, so he used it to separate everyone who was affected by the island (and Jacob) by deleting the island. But now that they've broken the reality by remembering the old one, they have exposed a tear, which would destroy everything if they cross through (the light). Someone tries to fight back, but MiB kills them, and binds everyone to the pews, in seat belts.

Somehow, Jacob finds them, and MiB and Jacob fight again (maybe Jacob actually gives a good reason for letting Ben stab him). MiB tries to create another new reality, but Jacob intervenes at the last second, throwing them all into the one place he can think of (I'm not sure how Jacob has powers, maybe they remained from the old timeline), and the back of the church rips off, showing a blue sky. The pews become plane seats, and the church becomes a plane, same sound effects and everything, and it crashes.

Now that time is wrecked and displaced, it is revealed that some characters are lost across time, like Christian Shepard, Walt, and anyone who appeared on the island (the whispers)

Then the final episodes would be a war between the two quickly formed sides, with some characters agreeing with what MiB did, wanting a new life (Kate, Sun, Jin, Sayid, Charles Widmore, Eloise, most of the Others) and some of the formerly dead characters that now have a second chance (Ana Lucia, Michaelm. Go all out with the fanservice, like putting Nikki, Paulo, Anthony Cooper, Mikhail Baukunin, Phil, Keamy, Neil Frogurt, Tom, on team evil. Locke is still possessed by MiB. Time is broken so all bets are off as to who is currently on the island.

Team Jack is the good or fan favorite characters (Desmond, Ben, Jacob, Rose/Bernard, Charlie, Richard, Faraday, Juliet, Penny, Libby, Miles, Boone, Shannon Eko, hell, even ARZT. Some take a while to convert to good and stay gray for a while, but it's all preparation for a final battle between the two sides (if you hype up a war, you should have a war happen). Jack defeats MiB, but only because Locke's spirit is so strong he is able to regain his body. Lots of characters die again or for the first time (Personally, I would have Kate, Michael, Sayid, Nikki/Paulo, Miles, Eloise, Widmore, a few heroic sacrifices, most of the random goon survivors, and Jacob get killed off, and of course Arzt would blow up again). And find time to explain stuff about the shadow of the statue guys somewhere in there.

After the massive struggle, Locke, Faraday, and Ben stay on the island to try and fix the time and space anomalies, while most of the other characters get away.

I like the bookended stuff with Jack closing his eye with Vincent, but it might be cool if they ended with some kind of threat, like with Locke, Ben, Faraday and whoever else staying, they only have an hour before the "window" to escape closes, or a burst of energy or something will keep them all there. All the escaping characters get on the Ajira plane and take off (just like in The End, one of the best scenes in that episode), and escape just in time. End with hope for the survivors to finally be free of the island, and with hope that Locke, Ben and co. can fix the time tears and save the world.


Phew. I dunno if that makes any sense, but there ya go. (Please go easy on it haha)
 
The podcast that Jorge Garcia did with his GF during season 6 were rad. They only went off the script and speculated throughout and they had guests sometimes. :D
 
The podcast that Jorge Garcia did with his GF during season 6 were rad. They only went off the script and speculated throughout and they had guests sometimes. :D

Yeah, it was a great idea.

For those who don't know...

Jorge would read the script and podcast his feelings about it, but wouldn't release the podcast until the episode aired. So you would hear him talk about his initial feelings upon reading, and then they'd talk about the episode having watched it.

Very cool. I remember the differences they described with the waterfall in ACROSS THE SEA being way different than scripted.
 
Hey, all. I just watched the entirety of Twin Peaks (minus the movie) and I wanted to go back to a particular special feature of Lost that mentioned it and showed clips. Problem, I have no idea what season or disc it would be on and I'm hoping someone here has an encyclopedic knowledge of that since google isn't helping. I don't want to try every season's special feature disc and start up every doc in hopes of finding the right one. Thanks.
 
Scrolling through this thread with covered eyes, but I just finished the fifth season.

I watched LOST during high school when it first started (we were two years away from finishing) and I remember me and my friends really enjoyed talking about what our theories were when it first started.

Then we graduated, Season 3 beguns, and most of my friends stopped watching so I thought I would to.

I've just recently been getting back into it since I think it is already remarkable that I had managed to avoid spoilers for THIS LONG given how easily I usually spoil myself with things and I am SO glad that I did.

But, the end of Season 5. Is Juliet really dead? I really love her ;_; She's so beautiful ;_;

I don't know if this is regular here but my favourite characters thus far have been, in no particular order

1.) Sawyer
2.) Desmond
3.) Juliet
4.) Ben
5.) Dan
 
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