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Calcaneus said:
My favorite part of that montage, by far, is when Jack is splashing water on his face and the camera closes-up on his hands shaking.
Followed by the later shot of Jack just standing serenely in the middle of the stream...for some reason, I got a real kick out of Jack's ascension into godhood. :lol
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DeathNote said:
I doubt it. I think it's the only way to get the complete series.
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Blader5489 said:
Shit, yes. So good.
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Salmonax said:
The box the discs are in can be easily shelved so it's not like you have to keep them in the big display box. And there's some really cool stuff in it anyway. $200 is a pretty standard price for a full Blu-Ray series, I think.
Erigu said:
MiB and Jack seemed to transport when the energy was not disturbed. It's clear that one needs an unique resistance to electromagnetism to disturb that energy. Desmond was fortunate to survive when he attempted to do so but other people were not so fortunate.
The only extent of these rules I have seen is that they are limited to people specifically and involves not killing each other, not killing yourself, healing, and immortality. So assuming you can make a rule where you can prevent people from entering a cave is a very big assumption, in my opinion anyways.
I had the feeling that the whole Jack giving the protector job to Hurley was simply a ceremonial thing considering that MiB had lost his powers due to the Island going haywire. His powers came from the cave, Mother gave Jacob water from the stream linking to the cave, Jacob gave Jack water from the stream linking to the cave, Jack gave Hurley water from the stream linking to the cave.. that had no light. That was basically my thought when that scene occurred.
Widmore may be pissed at Ben but he certainly has communication with Jacob and clearly a better relationship. Otherwise, I don't think Widmore would go and kidnap someone at Jacob's request, drug him, and drag him to the Island. So while he's pissed at Ben, he obviously respects Jacob enough not to do something stupid.
Eloise, she's manning a DHARMA station, while the organization has been wiped out. I mentioned why she would do that, so I don't think she's going to start revealing the location of the Island.
MiB obviously hates his brother and while he can't kill him personally, he convinces Ben to do the deed he has desperately wanted to do. If Jacob is the protector of the Island, MiB can ensure that his brother has failed once he escapes. The knowledge that the Island actually exists would mean that Jacob has utterly failed. Man would try to manipulate the energy and if they screw up, can't fix it, uh oh but it looks like Jacob might have failed. Once MiB discovers that he can destroy the Island, and if he did it, then Jacob makes no. 1 on the list for the top 100 worst protectors ever. Hmm.. Revenge for keeping me on the Island for like 2000 years!
... Not following you, sorry?Merguson said:
And Jack didn't say the magic words! :lol
It sure looks like he met Jacob only once: when he was "shown the error of his ways" off-screen (sheesh).
I mean, it was the same guy who was banned from the island years before because of some rules he had broken (what was up with those rules in the first place is another matter) and tried to come back with a whole bunch of heavily-armed guys. If anything, it's surprising how it just took one chat with Jacob to reform him...
How, by the way? On-island, they were gassed, but off-island? It's just odd how there were, like, two DHARMA guys left in that factory for decades... And yet, Kelvin was hired. Go figure.
(and of course, there's still the whole thing about how nobody seemed all that concerned about the Swan button...)
Of course, this (as well as that thing on the show itself about the MIB suddenly deciding to destroy the island) supposes Jacob's brother thought their adoptive mother was completely full of it when she talked about how messing with the heart of the island would kill everybody... And that's something that still baffles me.
Erigu said:
Well think about it this way. When Desmond goes and removes the cork, he's left unconscious when that electromagnetism is released and the Island is crumbling. Got to be pretty powerful electromagnetism to knock someone, specifically one resistant to electromagnetism, unconscious. What exactly would happen to someone who doesn't have any resistance and tries to screw around with the energy? Don't think it's a happy ending.
On the other hand, MiB and Jack, what happens with the Cave of Light? Both occasions that electromagnetism is kept at bay. The energy is clearly stronger when MiB enters and much weaker when Jack enters as evident by the glow of the cave.
Heh. A lot of ancient cultures like to say some phrases during a ceremony. I didn't think that the phrase was at all important.
It's definitely implied that Widmore and Jacob have had communication at least more than once. In Season 5, Widmore keeps young Ben in his camp temporarily because Jacob wanted it. Jacob visiting Widmore obviously had something to do with Ben as seeing as Widmore is willing to let things slide when he sees Ben on the Island. Ben of course, doesn't feel the same way at all.
Remember the scene at the Church? The station that the Dharma Initiative used to find the Island? That station. Mikhail took over the Dharma Communication Center. The Food Drop supplies were still active, etc. Seems a bit strange unless they wanted to maintain the illusion that the organization is still alive.
I thought it was pretty obvious that no one really knows what would actually happen if the Island finally reached a critical point. Mother may had some idea but the whole scene reeked of her having faith, belief. Otherwise, if the Island finally reached a critical point once, I don't think it would be still standing seeing as everything was crumbling down.
4-Day Lost Marathon
In London they are screening the entire series of Lost (80 hours) over 4 days to promote the final season dvd release. I live in Ireland but I'm definitely going to go if I can get the week off work. Anyone else thinking of attending?
In London they are screening the entire series of Lost (80 hours) over 4 days to promote the final season dvd release. I live in Ireland but I'm definitely going to go if I can get the week off work. Anyone else thinking of attending?
What does that have to do with the fact we have skeletons in that cave that obviously didn't resurface elsewhere like the MiB's corpse did?Merguson said:
I really wouldn't over-analyze stuff like the intensity of the glow...
That's not what I get out of that exchange:
'Sure looks like it was the same deal for Widmore and Ben: they were both getting their instructions via Richard.
Sorry, but I don't see how that addresses what I was saying at all. ^^;
Where did all the off-island DHARMA employees go?
How come they (be it DHARMA or the Others: same problem) let a couple of exhausted guys in charge of saving the world every 108 minutes like that? Okay, there were still food drops, but that's hardly enough to ensure the button gets pushed, in a situation like that. How about replacing the guys? It looks like nobody cared all that much. Which seems odd because, again: end of the freaking world!
And yet, so many people acted like they knew how crucial that all was... The usual "they act like they know a whole bunch of stuff, but they really don't" we got for years on this show, both from the characters and the writers.
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Interesting Note On The Pilot:
Although, bovs, it was not written as Shepard Sr. giving Jack the tip about counting to 5, but watching the whole series again, if you can just look at it as a continuous story with that knowledge, the way Fox plays it, you can almost see him internally agonizing over it as he lies, even though, bovs, he had no idea that Jack Shepard was lying about it.
Weird how that sort of thing works out.
And I really can't stress enough the difference it makes to have the whole series in one box. It really tricks your brain into thinking this is just one big story and helps you think of all the big threads as connected.
Also of interest, Kate doesn't help at all during the initial crash. The first time you see her is rubbing her newly unhandcuffed wrists and walking up to Jack's "surgery". Evolving from that to the finale where she refuses to leave Claire on the island is yet another reason why her arc on the show is one of my favorites.
Although, bovs, it was not written as Shepard Sr. giving Jack the tip about counting to 5, but watching the whole series again, if you can just look at it as a continuous story with that knowledge, the way Fox plays it, you can almost see him internally agonizing over it as he lies, even though, bovs, he had no idea that Jack Shepard was lying about it.
Weird how that sort of thing works out.
And I really can't stress enough the difference it makes to have the whole series in one box. It really tricks your brain into thinking this is just one big story and helps you think of all the big threads as connected.
Also of interest, Kate doesn't help at all during the initial crash. The first time you see her is rubbing her newly unhandcuffed wrists and walking up to Jack's "surgery". Evolving from that to the finale where she refuses to leave Claire on the island is yet another reason why her arc on the show is one of my favorites.
Erigu said:
I don't know how to simplify it any further. You're on your own at this point. Thought it was pretty obvious.
There were several scenes that show that Jacob has had some communication with Widmore in Season 5. Not direct but indirect. That's what I was mainly referring to.
Like an organization throughout it's lifetime, fire your employees, hire new ones, keep employees. Not rocket science.
And it's obvious that the Others were monitoring what went on inside that hatch. Remember the station with all the video screens? The camera inside the hatch? Juliet and Ben entering the station and checking the feeds? That clearly doesn't sound like they care right?
Don't know how hard it is to understand the Others were maintaining the illusion that DHARMA is alive and well. It was pretty obvious to me.
I think it's kind of obvious that no one knows the true consequences. If you think it means "the end of the world" then it's obvious that no one would 100% know that on the show. After all, the world seems to still exist no? It's definitely of enough concern to the ancient civilization that build the Cork and the DHARMA organization. We don't know the end result because it's never occurred before. Makes sense no? The sky flashes and the Island crumbles, I think that's enough cause for concern no?
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Erigu said:
Why? The writers themselves go as far to discuss that in the commentary.
Same thing for Ben: Pickett comments on how Jack wasn't on Jacob's list, meaning Jacob was still giving instructions (presumably via Richard).Merguson said:
Er... Didn't you say the organization had been wiped out? Wouldn't that be a problem?
Not really, no, considering there isn't anyone stationed there (and even if there was, what do would that guy do anyway, in case of emergency? pray?).
Plus Ben tries to convince Locke that the button doesn't do anything (just for kicks?).
How? By asking those two guys to drop food once in a while?
Why are they so worried, then? No one ever knew why?
... And the audience should care?
I think there's a possibility the light was brighter when the mother showed the cave to the kids simply because the characters needed something to look at (a light), whereas so much light didn't quite work with the later scenes, when we see what's inside that cave.brandonh83 said:
And what do they say about that?
Yeah, at least Eloise was on the island at some point.
The Christian thing does have a few pot holes. I know it can be chalked up to pill induced hallucinations but Jack seeing him at the hospital seemed to hint at something they decided not to follow through on (as far as I know).
The Christian thing does have a few pot holes. I know it can be chalked up to pill induced hallucinations but Jack seeing him at the hospital seemed to hint at something they decided not to follow through on (as far as I know).
Making of "The End"
I think this is just a partial clip though, not the whole thing.
I think this is just a partial clip though, not the whole thing.
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gdt5016 said:
The hell are you talking about, all the visions in lost are from smokey.
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gdt5016 said:
Well ive rewatched the show many times and it makes sense to me.
I thought it was obvious since Cabin Fever.
Erigu said:
Don't see how that's relevant. Jacob visited Widmore. Ben was never allowed to see Jacob. It's clear that Jacob and Widmore have a better relationship.
No?
So why do they go there then?
Geez I guess Mikhail is in charge of the communication station for nothing and Eloise isn't in charge of the Lamp Post (at least I think it was called) for nothing.
I don't know man, the sky turns purple and the island crumbles before your eyes. I would probably be scared shitless personally.
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Just watched Solitary, episode 9 of season 1, and it's really great hearing all these little pieces of dialogue that foreshadow what's to come. I know most of it was unintentional, but it doesn't matter now, what's there is there. Any allusions to the afterlife stick out so well now.
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VistraNorrez said:
Yeah, there really is SO much stuff that fits together so well. Like you said, even though it was obviously unintentional, by and large the show did a fantastic job of retconning (except for a few holes of course).
Even Smokey in the Pilot has a lot more resonance. Knowing Jacob drew everyone there and Smokey is fucking with them the very first night, all very cool now that we know the whole story.
Merguson said:
I would actually argue that Jacob had a higher opinion of Ben than he did of Widmore. Jacob protected young Ben from Widmore; he supported Ben's rise to leadership and Widmore's exile from the island; and he never had to visit Ben off the island, because Ben ended up fulfilling his mission on his own, whereas Widmore had to be told what to do.
So were Richard and the Others, and yet.Willy105 said:
Anyway, if he had been traveling along with Sawyer and friends, who was that fake Locke guy, in season 5?
Even Walt? 'Cause he wasn't dead or anything...Drealmcc0y said:
Once. And that was years after he was banned from the island.Merguson said:
Your argument apparently was that the problem with MIB leaving the island would be that word of the island would get out, but Widmore being banned wasn't a big deal because he had a good relationship with Jacob. He had never seen Jacob at that point in time though.
Well, OK, then! :lol
Don't ask me; ask the writers.
No, he used it for the Others, as we've seen when Ben showed Juliet what was going on with her sister.
That thing about Mikhail using the station to pretend DHARMA was still around though? Never said during the show. That was just some speculation from the fans. And as it turned out, all that was left of DHARMA off-island was a couple of employees sending food drops once in a while.
Maybe she was the one who was sending the coordinates to those two last DHARMA employees (if the thing wasn't automated... after all, they were using drones to drop that food (for decades!)... despite the fact the Swan button itself wasn't automated, for some reason (magic, presumably)).
Thanks, Eloise! Of course, replacing the guys at the Swan station would have been a far better way to ensure the world doesn't end, but hey!
That wasn't happening when those characters were talking about protecting the light.
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Drealmcc0y said:
That's a hell of a leap.
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butter_stick said:
Well its obvious to me and that's all that matters.
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Drealmcc0y said:
The only reason it's obvious to you is because it's the only conclusion you can come to that makes sense. Not because the show ever explicitly showed you anything that supports it. I love Lost, but you just gotta admit things like that are not "obvious", and that you have to overlook a lot of plotholes.
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butter_stick said:
Not really, every time there is a vision it makes sense its the MiB.
Except for the vision where Kate has a dream of Claire off island. But i think thats just because its... you know... just a dream.
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Watching Raised by Another, very interesting Hurley comes up with the idea of a census. Another wonderful unintentional foreshadow of what's to come, and it also shows the attitude Hugo would have toward leading, he even consults with Jack about it, much like what his relationship with Ben was probably like.
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VistraNorrez said:
I dont like watching Raised by Another, its pretty clear they had different plans for Aaron in early season 1 but changed their minds.
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It doesn't bother me, the psychic's motives are never clear, so it's some what easy to rationalize. Some of what he says works, he mentions a blur which I'll take to mean smokey, and he says danger surrounds Claire and her child, which is true. She does get infected when she abandons Aaron. Plus who's to say he wasn't seeing her next life? He does ultimately encourage her to go to the island and that does work out on the end.Drealmcc0y said:
Yea it takes some heavy rationalization.
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I liked this show up until Ben and the Black Smoke monster thing came onto the scene. I'm 2/3rds through Season 5 and I don't think I can watch this anymore.
Matthew Fox on Jimmy Kimmel trolling the haters tonight.
"All the feedback I've gotten was amazing. There was an enormous amount of pressure on the sixth season and I feel the way that it ended was beautiful and I feel most of the audience feel that way. There was a certain segment of the audience were just about, I need to know what the answers are, and, you know, like life, some of those answers you cant answer some of those questions. I think it ended very beautifully and it was very spiritual."
"All the feedback I've gotten was amazing. There was an enormous amount of pressure on the sixth season and I feel the way that it ended was beautiful and I feel most of the audience feel that way. There was a certain segment of the audience were just about, I need to know what the answers are, and, you know, like life, some of those answers you cant answer some of those questions. I think it ended very beautifully and it was very spiritual."
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