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Lost Season 1 DVD: What the hell?

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StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
1) the Disc art for Disc 2 has a picture of Kate that is strait up Fugly. She looks HORRID, which is strange because the actress is hot.. I dont know how they found that picture and decided it was a winner.

2) Having the DVD's overlap each other in the case is annoying as fuck. You have to take two DVD's out in order to get to the ones in the back.

3) The case is really flimsy. If you slide it out of the outer case the thing cant support its own weight. Ive had other box sets with similar size that are constructed much better (Simpsons comes to mind).

4) Why did they leave the "Previously on Lost" bits at the beginning of the episodes? I own the fucking episodes, I dont need a recap of what I have sitting in the DVD case.

The box does look really nice, the PQ is really good for the DVD's and the show rocks, but the DVD packaging is annoying as hell...

also, the first few episodes of the show are really scary, I dont know if ABC or the producers changed their mind early on to ease up on the suspense or not, but the feel of the early episodes is better than later ones.. also, screw ABC for showing 3 new episodes at a time and then sending the show on hiatus, its much easier to follow if you keep showing the new stuff.
 
I watched the entire season of this show this weekend (I've been sick -- except for Saturday night, it's been all Lost, Tank Girl comics, and Slayers), and I can't say I like the show that much.

It's very addictive, but it clearly has X-Files "Let's make it up as we go along and hope everything turns out everything could be swallowed in the end." Every episode has a blue balls ending, and there's few substantial reveals. Creating a television addiction with this sort of formula is just as manipulative as any schmuck emotional finger-banger like Forrest Gump or Patch Adams. You don't like it because it's a good show, you like it because it's pressing the easy buttons to make you come back for more. It keeps you chasing the carrot on a string.

Great production values, and the first 8-10 episodes are absolutely spanking. WOLFRAM AND HART.
 
White Man: I understand your fears, but the way they lead you to believe a charachter is one thing and then turn that on its head through successive flashbacks gives me hope that they actually mapped out a general story arc and are just plugging in details as they go along.

Alias turning to utter shit after the first season is constantly nagging the back of my head however.
 
StoOgE said:
White Man: I understand your fears, but the way they lead you to believe a charachter is one thing and then turn that on its head through successive flashbacks gives me hope that they actually mapped out a general story arc and are just plugging in details as they go along.

Alias turning to utter shit after the first season is constantly nagging the back of my head however.

Havn't seen the start of the second season yet have you? Trust me, they leave me with no doubt in my mind that there is absolutely no road map what so ever.
 
StoOgE said:
White Man: I understand your fears, but the way they lead you to believe a charachter is one thing and then turn that on its head through successive flashbacks gives me hope that they actually mapped out a general story arc and are just plugging in details as they go along.

Alias turning to utter shit after the first season is constantly nagging the back of my head however.

The thing is, even if they do have something generally plotted out, the plotting won't be as tight, consistent, or as well-thought out for the episodes that would be in season 3 as those in season 1. Their attention will have gone to the initial product. Also, who knows how much they actually had planned? What if they had 2 seasons of material, but the network want's a season 3?

I also think the whole "lead you to believe a charachter is one thing and then turn that on its head through successive flashbacks" song and dance will get tiring very quickly, as the show's producers realize this was key to the shows success, and draw out the tricks as long as they could. Flashback after fabulous flashback.

The only way to save this show: Lots of hot hispanic babes.
 
Red Mercury said:
Havn't seen the start of the second season yet have you? Trust me, they leave me with no doubt in my mind that there is absolutely no road map what so ever.

I dont know, I refuse to believe they just made up what is in the latch at the last minute.. that is way too important to just be made up in the middle of it... they have to have a plan, otherwise I will murder JJ Abrams.
 
StoOgE said:
I dont know, I refuse to believe they just made up what is in the latch at the last minute.. that is way too important to just be made up in the middle of it... they have to have a plan, otherwise I will murder JJ Abrams.

Well I htink they had a vague idea of what was in the hatch. But not enough to really flesh it out. Nor any good idea why what is down there is down there. Hence the introduction of a new character instead of one of the established options. There is alot less to explain away when you pull a new character out of your ass. (although, granted, their introduction of him does raise more questions, but if they wanted to have us seriously believe this was planned he should have shown up earlier.)
 
StoOgE said:
I dont know, I refuse to believe they just made up what is in the latch at the last minute.. that is way too important to just be made up in the middle of it... they have to have a plan, otherwise I will murder JJ Abrams.

People linking Abrams with this show is increasingly becoming like the big Nightmare Before Christ issue.

I enjoy a lot of Abrams' work, but this is Damon' Lindelof's show. Abrams may be behind a lot of casting, initial story/scripting, style, etc. but in terms of creative decisions he's been busy working on pilots, MI:3, etc. This is not his show.

I personally feel that this is a story about people, not an island, and thus the character development has been more than strong enough to carry a relatively slow, yet fantastic, story.
 
StoOgE said:
I dont know, I refuse to believe they just made up what is in the latch at the last minute.. that is way too important to just be made up in the middle of it... they have to have a plan, otherwise I will murder JJ Abrams.

The hatch? You mean the plot device that bought the writers a couple month's time to figure out what to do next :p

NOTE: I have not seen the season 2 opener yet, nor been spoiled.
 
I'm borrowing the DVDs from a friend and feel pretty much the same as White Man. Funny thing is, I'm actually kind of scared to say anything to the guy, or any of the other fanatical viewers I work with, lest I be shunned for questioning their sacred cow.
 
Hotarubi said:
I'm borrowing the DVDs from a friend and feel pretty much the same as White Man. Funny thing is, I'm actually kind of scared to say anything to the guy, or any of the other fanatical viewers I work with, lest I be shunned for questioning their sacred cow.

Keep in mind that I'm hypercritical about these sorts of things. The show is definitely entertaining, and it's production values are near movie quality. It's just that I've been burned by this sort of thing before - X-Files? Alias? Twin Peaks? It's easy to build tension and suspense, and end the episode at the correct point to keep the viewer coming back. As a matter of fact, Lost proves that the technique is pretty much a science. It's practically mathematics, and I don't know about you, but I thought calc was pretty boring.
 
Here's an article from the New York Times that goes in to "are they making it up as they go". I'm posting the whole article becasue the site requires login, but I will post the the URL as well. Also it shoud be noted that there are Season 1 spoilers ahead, but nothing revealed about season 2.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/18/a...70&en=5d94c8e3bbb39ee8&ex=1127707200&emc=eta1

The Laws of the Jungle

By LORNE MANLY
Published: September 18, 2005
LOS ANGELES

ON "Lost," one of last season's most successful series, some four dozen plane crash survivors confronted a Pacific island infused with mystery.

A monster devoured a pilot. A polar bear rampaged through the jungle. An enigmatic paraplegic could walk again. The first season ended last May with dual cliffhangers: two characters peered down a hatch they had found, only to be greeted by the spooky darkness of an unending vertical shaft, while another group of characters, attempting an escape by raft, were thwarted by scary strangers who sailed off with a child.

But the biggest puzzle the producers of "Lost" face as they enter their second season this Wednesday may well be how to avoid alienating the audience that has made it one of ABC's first water-cooler hit dramas in more than a decade.

The creators of shows like "Lost" - serialized dramas steeped in their own elaborate mythologies - face a dilemma. Audiences compulsively desire, even demand, answers. But reveal too much, too soon, and they might just bolt, as "Twin Peaks" discovered in the early 1990's.Or dole out only tiny hints about how the pieces fit together, and viewer obsession can curdle into frustration or even disdain, as happened in the latter years of "The X-Files."

"If you get to the point where you're just vamping," said Mark Frost, who created "Twin Peaks" with the filmmaker David Lynch, "just to withhold the trump card about the central mystery, you will start to see the series slipping."

"An audience will put up with being toyed with for only so long," he added. "But if the audience responds to the characters, the rest will take care of itself."

"Lost" is not your typical network drama, either in its genesis, its large and international cast or its fondness for deliberate ambiguity. The idea for the show was hatched in the summer of 2003 by Lloyd Braun, then the chairman of ABC Entertainment. Sitting at a clambake at his hotel on the Big Island of Hawaii, waiting for his family, he gazed out the beach and began thinking about how to translate "Cast Away," the Tom Hanks movie the network had just shown to good ratings, into a television series.

But a lone man and a mute volleyball on a deserted island do not make for compelling television, so Mr. Braun applied some Hollywood high-concept formula and came up with a hybrid of "Cast Away" and "Survivor."

The first attempt at a script, however, did not satisfy Mr. Braun, and neither did the rewrite. So Mr. Braun turned to J. J. Abrams, the creator of ABC's "Alias." and offered him a writing partner: Damon Lindelof, a longtime fan who worked on NBC's "Crossing Jordan."

"Basically, we had a two-hour meeting where we both came to the same exact solution to how to do the show, which was it had to have a lot of characters, the characters had to be really mysterious and the island itself had to be even more mysterious than they were," Mr. Lindelof said.

They started writing, and by the end of that week handed a 23-page outline to Mr. Braun, who then did something he had never before done - he approved a pilot based on nothing more than a treatment.

The gamble for ABC was immense. Compared to shows like "Law & Order," in which stories usually don't span more than one episode, serialized dramas - like "24" - are harder to re-run or syndicate. "There was nothing I wasn't worried about," said Mr. Braun, from the show's remarkable price tag (more than $10 million for the two-hour pilot) to its dark, moody tone to the ever-growing cast. "And don't forget, it was not like my position at the network was very secure at this time." (Mr. Braun was fired in April of 2004, and is now head of the media group at Yahoo.)

What's more, everyone remembered what had happened to "Twin Peaks": when it made its debut in April of 1990, the country quickly became wrapped up in the mystery of who killed Laura Palmer and the catch phrases of the F.B.I. special agent Dale Cooper ("damn good coffee"). Yet, just over a year later, the show was gone.

"The trick of these series is you've got to keep all of these balls in the air, resolving some stories while revealing others," said Mr. Frost. "Our problem was we really just had one truly compelling story line." Once Laura Palmer's killer was revealed partway through the second season, all that was left was a show that had descended largely into camp, a mere procession of dancing dwarves, inscrutable owls and log ladies. Mr. Frost said if he were to do the show again, he would have the later, more compelling mysteries begin immediately after the unmasking of the killer.

'Twin Peaks' looms large to me as cautionary tale," said Carlton Cuse, who joined "Lost" as an executive producer early last season to jointly run the show with Mr. Lindelof. "That was a show where the mythology sort of overwhelmed everything else, principally the construction of believable, plausible characters. It's constantly a presence in my mind about something we can't get sucked into doing on this show."

That fear of getting too wrapped up in the intricacies of the show's mythology keeps Mr. Cuse from trolling the numerous Web sites that fans have constructed to revere, obsess over, debate and criticize the show, like Lost-TV (www.lost-tv.com). "The genre aspects of the show are cool, and we have fun doing it," Mr. Cuse said. "But I am much more engaged by the people on the show, and I think that is fundamentally what we try to do."

Mr. Lindelof added, "It's all about character, character, character." (That's also the mantra Stephen McPherson, president of ABC prime-time entertainment, said he has impressed on the producers.) "Everything," Mr. Lindelof concluded, "has to be in service of the people. That is the secret ingredient of the show."

ON a sunny California day earlier this month, Mr. Lindelof, 32, and Mr. Cuse, 46, dropped in on their fellow writers, in the "Lost" writers' room on the Disney lot in Burbank. Javier Grillo-Marxuach, who also serves as a supervising producer, brought the two men up to speed on the team's progress at an early stab at the conceptual framework for the season's eighth episode. The working theme: forgiveness.

On a white board, below head shots of the cast and pages ripped from The Weekly World News ("Time Portal Found Over South Pole" reads one scoop put up by Mr. Lindelof), the writers had taken a shot at the trademark teaser that opens the show and attempted to map out the other five acts that make up each episode. But they have become tangled up in the various story lines, and are struggling to decide which character will get one of the show's hallmarks, the detailed flashback into his or her pre-island existence.

As they brainstormed, the pop-culture riffs came fast and furious. In an effort to guide the team's storytelling path and technique, Mr. Lindelof tosses out references to movies as varied as "Pulp Fiction," "Death and the Maiden," "Dog Day Afternoon" and "Red October."

Mr. Cuse suggests they keep in mind the Biblical notion of forgiveness, adding, "That will have a lot of resonance."

He and Mr. Lindelof prod their writers to simplify. Figure out what's happening on the island, and the focus of the flashback will become clear, they add. "The story needs to play on a character level, so forgiveness is more than an arbitrary decision," Mr. Cuse said.

The two men have an easy rapport. Mr. Cuse gave Mr. Lindelof, who refers to him as C. C., one of his first staff writing jobs, on "Nash Bridges," the Don Johnson vehicle. And when J. J. Abrams found himself too tied up with "Alias" and preparations for the movie "Mission Impossible 3," Mr. Lindelof returned the favor, and asked Mr. Cuse to help oversee the staff of about 400 on "Lost."

They both believe in the necessity of a long-range plan for the show, but they both also like to venture off the beaten track. "It's sort of like a road trip from California to New York, and these milestones are cities on the way," said Mr. Cuse. "But on a day-to-day basis, when we get up in the morning we have to make a decision: Are we taking the Interstate, or are we taking the rural byways?"

The writers had planned, for example, to ratchet up the animosity between two characters, Michael Dawson (Harold Perrineau) and Jin-Soo Kwon (Daniel Dae Kim), while developing a romance between Michael and Jin's wife, Sun (Yunjin Kim). But they became invested in the married couple's relationship as they developed their back story in Korea. Meanwhile, as Mr. Perrineau and Mr. Kim became good friends on the Hawaiian set of "Lost," the creative team sought to exploit the chemistry between them, even though their characters did not speak the same language. "When we see stuff we like, we write to it," Mr. Cuse said. "We're viewers with control."

One way they exercise that control is by hewing to the science-fact - as opposed to science-fiction - model they see in the novels of Michael Crichton. "There can be things that are happening that are quote, phenomenal, but there's always a scientific answer to it," said Mr. Lindelof. So when Jack Shephard, the surgeon and supposed voice of reason played by Matthew Fox, has visions of his dead father, care is taken to let the audience know he has gone without sleep for three days. Of course, the ghost does lead him to desperately needed water, so maybe he's not a hallucination after all.

The two men also share an admiration for the storytelling prowess of Stephen King. " 'The Stand' was a book that really informed the idea of 'Lost,' " Mr. Lindelof said. "Thematically they're about the same thing, which is this fundamental 'Live together, die alone' philosophy."

And they both delight in playing mind games with their viewers. Last season, when they introduced the character of Arzt, the annoying, know-it-all high school teacher based on a physics teacher Mr. Lindelof detested, they intentionally had him survive a run-in with the monster. "We let him play for three episodes so we could really convince the audience he was going to make it and not die," Mr. Cuse said. "And then we blew him up."

But some attempts to confound viewers' expectations can boomerang. Convinced that viewers would expect them to avoid a conventional cliffhanger, they went ahead with one, the sight of Jack and John Locke, the paraplegic character (played by Terry O'Quinn) mysteriously cured - if indeed he ever truly was handicapped -staring down into the hatch. Fans felt they were being toyed with and responded with virulent criticism. So at the beginning of this season, the writers have taken pains to be fairly explicit about what's found in the hatch and its implications for the people on the island, particularly on the ongoing and unpredictable battle between faith and reason exemplified by the characters of Locke and Jack.

DESPITE the efforts of Mr. Lindelof, Mr. Cuse and the rest of the creative team to keep the show from "jumping the shark," ultimately their biggest challenge may come from their very success. Unlike J. K. Rowling, who can take comfort in knowing the Harry Potter series will wrap up after seven books, the "Lost" producers do not have such a luxury; as long as the ratings are good, it will run.

The implications for storytelling are enormous. "If we knew this series was 88 episodes, we could plot out exactly where all the pieces of mythology were going to land, and we could build very constructively to an endgame," said Mr. Cuse. "But we don't know and we can't know. For ABC, this is a very financially successful enterprise, and rightfully their goal is to have to it go along as long as they can have it go along."

Mr. Lindelof quickly interjected: "It's the equivalent of, if you get the ratings for Episode 4 of 'Roots' and you call up Alex Haley and go: 'Look, this is doing huge. Does Kunta Kinte need to be free? Can he be freed in Season 3, or even 4 or 5?' "

Frank Spotnitz, who worked on "The X-Files" for eight of its nine years as a writer and eventually as a executive producer, said that series' creator, Chris Carter, did not think the series would go past five years and planned accordingly. When ratings and financial success demanded otherwise, the producers had to improvise. Originally, the plan was to reveal the fate of the sister of Agent Mulder, the F.B.I. agent played by David Duchovny, in the fifth season. Instead, the explanation was held back until Season 7.

"The longer you tease people along, the more hooked they become on the mythology of the show and the more disappointed they'll be by however it's resolved," Mr. Spotnitz said. The emotional resolutions among the characters are more important than fitting the past piece into an ornate jigsaw puzzle, and Mr. Spotnitz is plotting his new ABC show, "Night Stalker," accordingly.

Both Mr. Lindelof and Mr. Cuse embrace Mr. Spotnitz's theory that the show is about the journey, not the ending, and sound resigned to mixed reviews no matter how they resolve the various mysteries. One thing is certain: they won't go the route of the "Matrix" trilogy, in the second installment of which one character took a seemingly interminable amount of time to tell Keanu Reeves's character just what the Matrix was, his role in it and what was going to happen to him in the final movie.

"It's unsatisfying on every level to me as a storyteller, and to most people who saw it," Mr. Lindelof said. "The fact there is someone there to definitively tell me that I was wrong, that my imagination was wrong, is uncool."

But the creators do know how the series ends. The survivors will not learn they are part of some dastardly experiment, or discover they are in purgatory, or wake up from a bad dream. "These guys get off the island," said Mr. Cuse.

Then, nearly in unison, both men add, "If it's an island."
 
StoOgE said:
Alias turning to utter shit after the first season is constantly nagging the back of my head however.
Alias sucked after the second season, maybe. After the first season... no.

I think Lost is great, but White Man's right in that the writers are probably making it up as they go along. I don't think they have any more idea of where the show is going, in the long term, than we do. And without a definite arc mapped out, I just don't see it being able to sustain itself.
 
After watching all of season 1 in two days, I get the exact opposite impression. I think they know exactly where they're going with this. As they say in the article, however, if the temptation to drag it out so the show can last longer begins to supercede the natural flow of the story, it could crash and burn X-Files style. It's hilarious that they actually interviewed Spotnitz, since he's one of the worst things about the latter half of the X-Files series. Much like Lost, I think they knew exactly what the mytharc in X-Files was all about for the first few years, then the five year plan was thrown off because Carter realized he had to extend the series to hang on to his small chunk of power in Hollywood. Eventually it became a jumbled mess, and Spotnitz was heavily involved in the creative direction of the show during that time.

Frankly I think he's wrong. Yeah, characters are key, and the resolution of their relationships and problems are important, but the overall story has to make sense, too. One of the main reasons viewers lost interest in X-Files was because nothing tied together anymore. The aliens and the abductees and the men in black and the black oil and the shapeshifters and the bees and the Samantha clones and the Scully baby and all that crap just clearly didn't add up. If Lost starts doing the same, it will lose the sizeable genre audience that has made it a hit.
 
suaveric said:
Here's an article from the New York Times that goes in to "are they making it up as they go". I'm posting the whole article becasue the site requires login, but I will post the the URL as well. Also it shoud be noted that there are Season 1 spoilers ahead, but nothing revealed about season 2.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/18/a...70&en=5d94c8e3bbb39ee8&ex=1127707200&emc=eta1

Thanks for putting that up. It really does seem like they are just going with the flow then. They have a general idea of what they want to see happen, but nothing more in terms of how they get there. The show caught on, and the need to introduce a new big mystery came up hence the hatch and all of its subsequent downfalls.

We keep saying the same thing in this thread about how the story has to hold together enough for this character driven show to work. Because they are right, I'll let these stupid transgressions against thought out plot development go in favor of seeing well acted and well written characters. The story needs to flow though, and its simply become incresingly clear that they are holding it up.

Guess we'll just how much they are holding it up over the next couple of weeks.
 
Red Mercury said:
Thanks for putting that up. It really does seem like they are just going with the flow then. They have a general idea of what they want to see happen, but nothing more in terms of how they get there. The show caught on, and the need to introduce a new big mystery came up hence the hatch and all of its subsequent downfalls.

We keep saying the same thing in this thread about how the story has to hold together enough for this character driven show to work. Because they are right, I'll let these stupid transgressions against thought out plot development go in favor of seeing well acted and well written characters. The story needs to flow though, and its simply become incresingly clear that they are holding it up.

Guess we'll just how much they are holding it up over the next couple of weeks.

Yeah, they need to have a set plan on how things will play out or else it'll fizzle quickly as they will quickly develop "jump the shark" moments to try to keep people watching. I'm expecting the "Claire's baby is the Antichrist" twist to pop up sooner rather than later.

B5 was planned out, as JMS had all five years in his head from the start. They did it in DS9 where they had the whole last four years planned out as to how the Dominion War would go. And BSG is the same way so far as they did things in the mini-series that set up things to happen that wouldn't be resolved until the second season and they didn't even know if the series would be picked up.
 
StoOgE said:
2) Having the DVD's overlap each other in the case is annoying as fuck. You have to take two DVD's out in order to get to the ones in the back.
Lois & Clark season one had this problem. A rather annoying design.
 
Wait...what the fuck? The worst thing mentioned here is they left the "previously on lost" bits in. That's fucking ridiculous.

I hate that normally when there's actually a need for it when there are weeks and weeks between episodes, in any show. There'll be some huge plot twist coming up in the episode where a long gone character returns or something out of nowhere, and it's completely ruined by anyone with half a brain realising that showing clips of a character who hasn't been seen for 3 season on the "previously on" might just mean they're showing up today.

On a DVD though? Pointless. Can you at least press next and skip right to the actual start of the episode?
 
They keep the previouslies on Alias too, usually because some people don't watch DVD sets like we do and might spend a lot of time between episodes...slightly interesting in terms of decisions.

Alias sucked after the second season, maybe. After the first season... no.

Agreed...hell, I don't know how I missed this at all. Alias' second season is one of the best in recent memory. Lena Olin was robbed of a damn Emmy.

I still think they have answers to a fair amount of the questions, if not exactly when they'll get there...I think that assuming they're winging it is too cynical.
 
Started watching Lost R1 this weekend and I love it so far :D

Bit OT but when the R2 version lands, it's going to be split up into two half-season sets! How fucking greedy can these idiots be?! I paid ÂŁ30 to import my R1 version including postage and import taxes and the R2-robbing bastards are charging ÂŁ30 for HALF the season!
 
StoOgE said:
4) Why did they leave the "Previously on Lost" bits at the beginning of the episodes? I own the fucking episodes, I dont need a recap of what I have sitting in the DVD case.

Fuck that, more DVDs should do that. I like seeing the show as it originally aired.
 
They could do what Babylon V did and just have it the preview/catchup selectable when you choose the episode. No reason whatsoever to have it shoved in your face.
 
Exactly. There's nothing more annoying than watching a TV show and seeing a name appear which means a certain guest is returning
 
123rl said:
Exactly. There's nothing more annoying than watching a TV show and seeing a name appear which means a certain guest is returning

...how does this relate to seeing the "Previouslies"? The credits are going to be on all of the episodes.

Now, in terms of the credits, creators need to realize that casting spoilers should not go in. Alias Season Four was the Worst. Offender. Ever. My brother was entirely spoiled. Totally. I was like "Why did you put it on the bloody screen!!"
 
I've long since started covering up the bottom part of the screen with my hand right after a shows opening titles. It's a little bit annoying, but not half as annoying as the alternative.

Some shows are totally clueless though. I just don't understand why the guest stars can't be credited in the final credits, they still get there name there without ruining it for people. It's really beyond me.
 
God, some of you people are so fucking joyless.

And besides, if you can't see that there is a clear pre-determined design to the first season... um, well, maybe you weren't paying attention?


*Noel Coward Parody
 
Where someone is credited has to do with Actors Guild rules and producers and directors have very little choice in the matter.
 
teiresias said:
Where someone is credited has to do with Actors Guild rules and producers and directors have very little choice in the matter.

Yeah, I see how this might be an issue...but when someone is coming back from the fucking dead, I don't give a shit about SAG, damnit.
 
Well, actors are free to make concessions about where and how they are credited - sometimes. For instance, Diana Muldaur, aka Dr. Pulaski from the 2nd season of Star Trek:TNG is credited as a guest star through the entire season - at her request I believe, and Whoopi Goldberg, though offered a main credit in both the series and the movie Generations requested just a guest star credit and isn't in the opening credits of the movie at all (I think).
 
Mama Smurf said:
I've long since started covering up the bottom part of the screen with my hand right after a shows opening titles. It's a little bit annoying, but not half as annoying as the alternative.
Oh good, someone else does this.
 
Cathcart said:
Oh good, someone else does this.

I'm on the bandwagon now, although I was spoiled for the aforementioned Alias issue. If I had known they would be stupid enough to put it in the credits I totally would have made my brother shut his eyes (I'd been spoiled for weeks).
 
Mama Smurf said:
Wait...what the fuck? The worst thing mentioned here is they left the "previously on lost" bits in. That's fucking ridiculous.

I hate that normally when there's actually a need for it when there are weeks and weeks between episodes, in any show. There'll be some huge plot twist coming up in the episode where a long gone character returns or something out of nowhere, and it's completely ruined by anyone with half a brain realising that showing clips of a character who hasn't been seen for 3 season on the "previously on" might just mean they're showing up today.

On a DVD though? Pointless. Can you at least press next and skip right to the actual start of the episode?

Yes, they put a chapter stop right after the "Previously on" segment, which is great.

And I have a feeling that the whole "covering up the bottom of the screen" thing is directly related to having watched Angel. Just a hunch.
 
Archaix said:
Yes, they put a chapter stop right after the "Previously on" segment, which is great.

And I have a feeling that the whole "covering up the bottom of the screen" thing is directly related to having watched Angel. Just a hunch.

Yes (for me anyway) - Angel and Buffy. So many episodes were spoiled for me when I saw certain characters were coming back. I DON'T WANT TO KNOW THIS!!

It's like they're saying to you: "Remember that character who DIED? Well the actor who played that character is back in this episode. Hope you still enjoy it, fuckers."
 
Archaix said:
Yes, they put a chapter stop right after the "Previously on" segment, which is great.

And I have a feeling that the whole "covering up the bottom of the screen" thing is directly related to having watched Angel. Just a hunch.

Almost certainly, Angel or Buffy. Those are the first shows where I'd know the characters well enough to recognise pretty much any semi-regular name in the credits, whether it says their character name by it or not.

At least Angel and Buffy didn't credit a big return at all a couple of times, that would have helped the less sensitive. Personally, I don't want to know anything.
 
StoOgE said:
also, the first few episodes of the show are really scary, I dont know if ABC or the producers changed their mind early on to ease up on the suspense or not, but the feel of the early episodes is better than later ones..
Have you watched the whole thing? I think there are some later episodes/scenes, that are just as creepy and grim, or even more so, than the first few.

Sometimes it's just subtle creepy (which I really like ), like the whole Season 2 opening sequence.
 
Marconelly said:
Have you watched the whole thing? I think there are some later episodes/scenes, that are just as creepy and grim, or even more so, than the first few.

Sometimes it's just subtle creepy (which I really like ), like the whole Season 2 opening sequence.

yeah, it still has its moments,
The Hatch was pretty damn creepy in the season opener
but in the first few episodes of the first season going into the woods was scarry as hell. I remember when I first saw them I would scream at people "Dont go in the woods stupid".. now going in the woods is just normal activity.
 
StoOgE said:
1) the Disc art for Disc 2 has a picture of Kate that is strait up Fugly.

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2) Having the DVD's overlap each other in the case is annoying as fuck. You have to take two DVD's out in order to get to the ones in the back.

Would you rather have a case with seven pages of holders, a lĂ  "Alien Quadrilogy"? Personally, I would rather have 2-disc thinpacks. But if they had to go with digipak, this is the best alternative. Sadly.
 
StoOgE said:
yeah, it still has its moments,
The Hatch was pretty damn creepy in the season opener
but in the first few episodes of the first season going into the woods was scarry as hell. I remember when I first saw them I would scream at people "Dont go in the woods stupid".. now going in the woods is just normal activity.

Well, from a strictly storytelling standpoint they couldn't keep the woods so threatening that they would never dare venture in them, there's only so much story you can do keeping everyone cooped up on the beach.
 
123rl said:
Exactly. There's nothing more annoying than watching a TV show and seeing a name appear which means a certain guest is returning

Oh, there is one thing more annoying than that. It's the Battlestar Galactica's Montage-Here-Are-Shots-Of-Everything-Thats-Going-To-Happen-In-This-Episode at the start of every one.

:(
 
Memles said:
I'm on the bandwagon now, although I was spoiled for the aforementioned Alias issue. If I had known they would be stupid enough to put it in the credits I totally would have made my brother shut his eyes (I'd been spoiled for weeks).
Yeah, I made the mistake of going to IMDB to see who a guest star was one week. I scrolled to the bottom thinking it would be the most recent episode listed but of course they had the guest appearances for the next month or so and I found out Lena was coming back. I tried to fool myself into thinking she'd just be there for some flashbacks but that didn't work :( Oh well, the end of season four was some of the best stuff since season 2. Looking forward to Thursday.
 
Memles said:
Now, in terms of the credits, creators need to realize that casting spoilers should not go in. Alias Season Four was the Worst. Offender. Ever. My brother was entirely spoiled. Totally. I was like "Why did you put it on the bloody screen!!"
Yeah, I had known about it for weeks, but I couldn't believe they were dumb enough to do that. (I mean, they were just putting two episodes together that night, so why the fuck couldn't they have given them separate credits?)

I've missed like, 2 episodes since the show started, so I'm sticking with Alias to the end, but I'm not expecting much from this season (which'll most likely be the show's last). (Fuck you, Ben Affleck. Fuck you very much.)
 
MVS said:
Oh, there is one thing more annoying than that. It's the Battlestar Galactica's Montage-Here-Are-Shots-Of-Everything-Thats-Going-To-Happen-In-This-Episode at the start of every one.

:(


Seriously? They actually do that...? Idiots.

I just remembered how Sky RUIN every new episode of everything they show:

Buffy s5 spoilers:

The week before the final episode of series 5 they showed the shot of Buffy's grave! wtf were they thinking?!!

I didn't see it because I'd missed it on Sky and watched it on video later but I bet there were millions of pissed off viewers over that.
 
FoneBone said:
Yeah, I had known about it for weeks, but I couldn't believe they were dumb enough to do that. (I mean, they were just putting two episodes together that night, so why the fuck couldn't they have given them separate credits?)

I've missed like, 2 episodes since the show started, so I'm sticking with Alias to the end, but I'm not expecting much from this season (which'll most likely be the show's last). (Fuck you, Ben Affleck. Fuck you very much.)

Yeah...that's my feeling. Sydney the Mentor? It just doesn't sound all that fun, does it? Here's hoping for an excessively larger amount of Jack/Sloane, not the new girl. While the show's downfall is the fault of Lena Olin leaving and making the third season as intolerable as it was, it is Affleck that is now speeding its ascent. I'll be watching...but I'll be none too concerned.
 
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