Capitalizing an extra letter is hardly mistyping. I meant to vote for Zipped. I still want MagnumBoy to answer the question I gave him, but I had a specific question for Zipped I also want answered. I should have clarified with a transition in there to make it clear, but the vote is very much intentionally on Zipped asking him to elaborate on his vote for Kawl (in his own words).
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Love Boat [Mafia] |OT| Till Death Do Us Part
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Capitalizing an extra letter is hardly mistyping. I meant to vote for Zipped. I still want MagnumBoy to answer the question I gave him, but I had a specific question for Zipped I also want answered. I should have clarified with a transition in there to make it clear, but the vote is very much intentionally on Zipped asking him to elaborate on his vote for Kawl (in his own words).
Zippedpinhead
Member
I think you misunderstood my assessment between flux and kawl. I can't in good confidence believe both, and maybe I did not make it clear which I believe more. I am more likely to believe that flux's team are role cops then I am to believe that kawl's team is a Miller.
The tracker portion of the Miller claim makes sense. My issue is this: within a fifteen role game we have a role cop and a Miller (which implies an alignment cop). I fnd it hard to believe that both cops exist (as that gives us three town aligned scum hunting roles figured out day 1. One of these must be lying.
Further deduction: role cop could be useful for town but it might not be. Tracker is useful for town and scum. So lie about the Miller status (in case there is an alignment cop) and claim your actual ability.
That's how I got to voting on kawl's team.
Can't rush perfection, bub. Plus this Kawl+Blarg combo are a bit difficult to really breakdown for analysis.
Zippedpinhead
Member
Hopefully my previous post answered your question. If I missed it let me know and I will try to address it.
Blargonaut
Banned
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I mean, the sooner the gravity of the ramifications of this technically 15-player roster settle in our collective conscience, the better
No offense, Kawl
El Topo was that repulsive?
Zippedpinhead
Member
El Topo we will always have Sicily...
Good luck to miracle, I had been looking forward to squaring off with the other weasley twin...
I'm a slow roaster, and admittedly being a coaster in regards to posting isn't very pro-town but I'm in a bit of a jam considering my partner's missing in action now.
Gonna give my reads next post.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
This seals it.
So... uh. I heard that there is some kind of game being played in this thread?
Sorry. I was asleep in the back of the boat.
I caught up. I saw the prod at 3:30 AM and it is now 6. Our lover's chat is actually empty since game start. I was hoping there would be some notes from my beau boo... Oh well. I'll be going to bed but first...
Flux, what the duck are you doing? I'm not even talking about the role claim. That was just for discussion?! Now you're just limp sicking all over the place about it trying to get us off your case, but it was all we ducking talked about for the past two days. Mostly.
It was just back and forth on this issue. You believe there was any merit to that? I don't. You could have easily just picked a player and attacked them harshly to drive discussion.
Time, are you a docking role cop or not?
Vote: timeaisis
Sorry. I was asleep in the back of the boat.
I caught up. I saw the prod at 3:30 AM and it is now 6. Our lover's chat is actually empty since game start. I was hoping there would be some notes from my beau boo... Oh well. I'll be going to bed but first...
Flux, what the duck are you doing? I'm not even talking about the role claim. That was just for discussion?! Now you're just limp sicking all over the place about it trying to get us off your case, but it was all we ducking talked about for the past two days. Mostly.
It was just back and forth on this issue. You believe there was any merit to that? I don't. You could have easily just picked a player and attacked them harshly to drive discussion.
Time, are you a docking role cop or not?
Vote: timeaisis
karkador's slight "get me off this train" behavior is interesting
not like, super interesting, but interesting
if kark was scum, i'm sure this type of reaction could be a way to show the town that he cares (in a totally pro-town, non-scum way) due to this appearance of frustration. or maybe he's just actually frustrated. or maybe it's nothing.
regardless, these eyes will be open
not like, super interesting, but interesting
if kark was scum, i'm sure this type of reaction could be a way to show the town that he cares (in a totally pro-town, non-scum way) due to this appearance of frustration. or maybe he's just actually frustrated. or maybe it's nothing.
regardless, these eyes will be open
i thought it was clear that their role claim is cop
i see i see
You said this before, Launch. Does it mean that you're not Town reading anyone?
But this is way more fun. Besides, "attacking them harshly to drive discussion"? Yeah, because I remember that working real well in Werewolf 1 when the discussion revolved around me when Darryl attacked me relentlessly for no reason, causing pages of nonsense and circular discussion, even though we both were Town. That was even worse than this.
You lie.
Is Time as quiet in your chat as he is here?
Yes.
1. [m] Kingkitty & [m] Hyperactivity - Leaning towards scum
I want to focus specifically on Hyperactivity here: Since the start of the first day, let's take into consideration that he's since only posted about a couple of time,s and the one time he HAS posted, this quote:
Makes me raise a brow, simply in how it's worded in the beginning and the assumption that the uncoodination from Time and Flux is all a plan. (More on those two later.)
As for Kitty well let's look at this right over yonder:
This seems kind of dangerous to say, and kind of naive? I'm sure it's the goal of scum to get the townies attracted to one pillar of light while they plot who to snatch in the dark.
It's also hard to do some rube goldberg shit in a team-based game like this one. Or at least, that's what I assume.
Kingkitty comes off as just a bit naiive to me. Might be scum or something idk breh
3. [m] Timeaisis & [m] FluxWaveZ - Leaning towards town
I'm actually going to lean on the pro-side for these two. Yes the idea of the confused partner getting upset at the sudden reveal is probably a ruse or something. But I want to see where this goes, so I'll give the two the benefit of doubt I guess.
5. [m] Blargonaut & [m] Kawl_USC - Leaning towards scum
Admittedly, I was a bit confused about the millers role and I was going by what I know of the trackers role from the last WW game (Assuming it's the same here) to put my assumption of the two. I still feel the reveal is shitty especially after the cop thing, but Cabot clarified why it could be pro-town and I'll have to agree for now.
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These are my three teams that I would like to see settled within the next day or so. Eyes are on Karkador's team, Cabot's team and Sophia's team as well, but I don't really have enough to put on those two.
I want to focus specifically on Hyperactivity here: Since the start of the first day, let's take into consideration that he's since only posted about a couple of time,s and the one time he HAS posted, this quote:
Makes me raise a brow, simply in how it's worded in the beginning and the assumption that the uncoodination from Time and Flux is all a plan. (More on those two later.)
As for Kitty well let's look at this right over yonder:
This seems kind of dangerous to say, and kind of naive? I'm sure it's the goal of scum to get the townies attracted to one pillar of light while they plot who to snatch in the dark.
It's also hard to do some rube goldberg shit in a team-based game like this one. Or at least, that's what I assume.
Kingkitty comes off as just a bit naiive to me. Might be scum or something idk breh
3. [m] Timeaisis & [m] FluxWaveZ - Leaning towards town
I'm actually going to lean on the pro-side for these two. Yes the idea of the confused partner getting upset at the sudden reveal is probably a ruse or something. But I want to see where this goes, so I'll give the two the benefit of doubt I guess.
5. [m] Blargonaut & [m] Kawl_USC - Leaning towards scum
Admittedly, I was a bit confused about the millers role and I was going by what I know of the trackers role from the last WW game (Assuming it's the same here) to put my assumption of the two. I still feel the reveal is shitty especially after the cop thing, but Cabot clarified why it could be pro-town and I'll have to agree for now.
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These are my three teams that I would like to see settled within the next day or so. Eyes are on Karkador's team, Cabot's team and Sophia's team as well, but I don't really have enough to put on those two.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
No, it means that I can't trust anyone with 100% certainty. I am town-reading a few players - namely Kark.
nah it's not naive, nor dangerous
i played enough games to not get caught up in the "what if this is some amazing bold scum plan".
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Undoubtedly. I share the same sentiment. I'm not getting too comfortable with anyone; I'm just saying I am reading you as town for right now.
Thanks for the reads, Boo. I admit I wasn't too impressed with UltraJay's reads there, but I'm getting a pretty good town vibe from you for the moment.
Besides Retroid, there's another pair I want to look at as well and will likely prod vote a bit later. That pair being Karu and Rest. Karu gave some reads earlier in the thread that I liked, but Rest has said very little. Just some reads on Flux/Time, a misvote that I assume won't be counted (correct me if I'm wrong here Burb?), and a comment about the speed of the thread and being unable to keep up, which has since slowed down.
Yeah he is alive. SoonTM. Nice to see Jay lives too. Looking for a new target, reading new things~
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Cool, thanks, I'll go ahead and move my vote then. Awaiting to see what he has to say.
VOTE: Rest
Gonna be slightly unresponsive for the rest of the afternoon, but I'm still reading on my tablet if I need to make a quick post.
Kingkitty and Hyperactivity-Suspicious. Way lower activity from Hyper than I would have expected. KK had been mostly quiet is a bit more present now but posts still leave me feeling meh.
Karkador and Zippedpinhead- slight town. Zipped has some weird stuff like asking for a hint at me and Blargs couple name and Karkadors been an argumentative jerk to me, in addition to that night action order weird deal. However, his brusque nature leads me to feel that he's more likely town than Zippeds weirdness makes me think other wise.
Timeasis and FluxWaveZ - null for now. Dependent on whether they show that they claim had weight behind it. Others may feel different but I still want them to check me and Blarg for verification of their claim. No resolution come day 2 and I'll probably be pushing a vote for them unless a scummier target comes up.
LaunchpadMcQ and Gorlak- null. Launch has been somewhat defensive I guess, but he's also been more active in the past day or so which I like. Gorlak always gets under my skin a bit in these games and always confounds me being able to read him, so overall null.
Blargonaut and Kawl_USC - would expect nothing less from Blarg. Yea sure miller claim early is pro town, but at least it showed some initiative and pizzazz. My top town. (In all seriousness, I understand reticence regarding our claim. It's how miller works. Like I said karks aggression makes me like him for town. Think scum more likely to have a lukewarm reaction to it.)
The rest to come.
Karkador and Zippedpinhead- slight town. Zipped has some weird stuff like asking for a hint at me and Blargs couple name and Karkadors been an argumentative jerk to me, in addition to that night action order weird deal. However, his brusque nature leads me to feel that he's more likely town than Zippeds weirdness makes me think other wise.
Timeasis and FluxWaveZ - null for now. Dependent on whether they show that they claim had weight behind it. Others may feel different but I still want them to check me and Blarg for verification of their claim. No resolution come day 2 and I'll probably be pushing a vote for them unless a scummier target comes up.
LaunchpadMcQ and Gorlak- null. Launch has been somewhat defensive I guess, but he's also been more active in the past day or so which I like. Gorlak always gets under my skin a bit in these games and always confounds me being able to read him, so overall null.
Blargonaut and Kawl_USC - would expect nothing less from Blarg. Yea sure miller claim early is pro town, but at least it showed some initiative and pizzazz. My top town. (In all seriousness, I understand reticence regarding our claim. It's how miller works. Like I said karks aggression makes me like him for town. Think scum more likely to have a lukewarm reaction to it.)
The rest to come.
aHHHHH there you are <3
MagnumBoy20xx
Neo Member
Just the combination of it also being a Miller role as well. I'm just having trouble understanding why those two 'roles' would be combined, and what the flavor explanation would be.
I am going to try to make a case for time/flux being mafia and why we shouldn't lynch them today.
So lets say mafia flux made a bad play without consulting his partner or his scum team. Time/flux are leading in votes and it looks like they will be lynched, if not today then soon. The role cop ability may be real, it might even be one of their mafia team mates abilities, and time/flux are in a position where they will have to help town by successfully naming a non-mafia role every day that they are alive or they will have to draw attention to one of their team mates by "fake claiming" for them. This is a really awful situation for the mafia team to be in so it's probably better to get rid of time/flux sooner than later.
If you're mafia and getting lynched is a foregone conclusion, usually the optimal play is to say nothing: "anything you say can and will be used against you and your team." Less experienced players will sometimes try do erratic or provocative things to try and confuse town but I don't think this works in practice, you will at best achieve the same results as saying nothing and at worst give town clues. Time/flux fits this profile. Time is more experienced and will not risk his team by commenting, flux is flailing erratically to try and confuse us.
But we shouldn't lynch them today because tomorrow they're going to have to give us a role name and I want that information. They will (if they're mafia) need to either give us a townie, or "fake claim" for one of their team mates. Either way is a slight win for town I think. Worst case scenario they don't actually have the a role cop ability or they refuse to use it and we lynch them tomorrow easily. Best case scenario they give us a role name and later if we lynch them, and they flip town, we will have an additional confirmed townie.
So lets say mafia flux made a bad play without consulting his partner or his scum team. Time/flux are leading in votes and it looks like they will be lynched, if not today then soon. The role cop ability may be real, it might even be one of their mafia team mates abilities, and time/flux are in a position where they will have to help town by successfully naming a non-mafia role every day that they are alive or they will have to draw attention to one of their team mates by "fake claiming" for them. This is a really awful situation for the mafia team to be in so it's probably better to get rid of time/flux sooner than later.
If you're mafia and getting lynched is a foregone conclusion, usually the optimal play is to say nothing: "anything you say can and will be used against you and your team." Less experienced players will sometimes try do erratic or provocative things to try and confuse town but I don't think this works in practice, you will at best achieve the same results as saying nothing and at worst give town clues. Time/flux fits this profile. Time is more experienced and will not risk his team by commenting, flux is flailing erratically to try and confuse us.
But we shouldn't lynch them today because tomorrow they're going to have to give us a role name and I want that information. They will (if they're mafia) need to either give us a townie, or "fake claim" for one of their team mates. Either way is a slight win for town I think. Worst case scenario they don't actually have the a role cop ability or they refuse to use it and we lynch them tomorrow easily. Best case scenario they give us a role name and later if we lynch them, and they flip town, we will have an additional confirmed townie.
BTW all of that is sincerely hoping that flux wouldn't fake claim a town power role if he is in fact a different town power role.
But...
But...
...yeah...
What if one of the mafia members went rogue and did something that sabotaged their team though? Gotta take every opportunity you can get.
Who cares? Kill them immediately, don't try to somehow control them. If they're actually mafia, then elimination takes priority over anything else, and is extremely more reasonable than the possibility of everything going wrong by keeping them alive. I at least know that much from Werewolf 2 and even Heist.
Well, next you should learn that you shouldn't treat anything as 100%. Anyway you should support my plan, I actually think it's pretty good by bat-plan standards.
I already know that after I had tunnel vision in Heist, chasing after someone I thought was scum that turned out to be a neutral (for the right reasons, though). However, there is absolutely no situation where immediately lynching scum is not preferable to going for some convoluted tactic.
I mean, if you claim scum I'll vote you (definitely run that by your team first though in the interest of being polite). The plan exists because you might be town and we will have a lot more info about your alignment tomorrow.
Yup it did, thanks for clarifying your stance. Always good to hear from both partners.
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Fair point, thanks for clarifying.
My travelling vote is tired and needs its rest, it'll be back out later today.
Batsnacks, I have a comment on your plan:
Why do you think they're going to have to give us a name? If you think they're scum and have to make it up, what's to stop them from using an obviously given name? There's a sample PM with the title of the ordinary villager, or the name of whoever dies at night (assuming someone does).
At best, this plan is easily evaded by scum. You can make the argument that they'd die the next day, but what if the scum you let slip actually has a dangerous role? We should be lynching people we think are scum. That's how the game is played.