LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I'm halfway through the last page catching up, but you guys must have gotten a lot of mileage out of that Snake gif during MGS hahaha
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Love Boat [Mafia] |OT| Till Death Do Us Part
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I just want to answer one of Flux's points about my partner and I about how we're forceful for a lynch. From all the games I've played, a day 1 lynch is almost always worth it barring some horrific luck for the town. A Day 1 Lynch forces people to commit to their actions and for everyone to at least make their opinion known. A no lynch lets people hide or coast by without saying much and we end up with a similar day 2. In all the games on GAF I've played, Day 1 Lynch has been consensus and always understood to be beneficial. This is why I was making sure that this town was for it as well, especially the players who I haven't played with before and don't know their opinions.
My vote is still on Retroid, he's just not giving anything and Kyan, while your posting some, Retroid is nowhere to be found.
My vote is still on Retroid, he's just not giving anything and Kyan, while your posting some, Retroid is nowhere to be found.
Thanks Time, that super-lame reads list actually makes me feel slightly better for now.
Meanwhile Kyan's list looks better on the surface but still bothers me more. Investigation pending.
In all seriousness there's (usually) no harm in sharing wrong ideas.
Meanwhile Kyan's list looks better on the surface but still bothers me more. Investigation pending.
Don't be shy, we love uneducated guesses, they are our lifeblood.
In all seriousness there's (usually) no harm in sharing wrong ideas.
Blargonaut
Banned
Look at these scrubs touting Reads List on D1
sell-outs
Kawl, stop staring
sell-outs
Kawl, stop staring
Hyperactivity
Banned
Slept in the middle o going through the thread, sorry
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about this weird thing where some partners seem really in sync, whereas others don't. If you're town, telling the rest of us that you've been communicating on the PROCEEDINGS OF THE GAME doesn't reveal anything about any roles but helps gives us easy to access information
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
(Please excuse the lack of quotes, as I cant get onto GAF on my work computer and I type these up on Google Docs then post from my phone)
Ok, so something has jumped out at me. I cant quite place it, but I believe Flux is telling the truth. Im not going to be able to convince anyone of that, because I legitimately dont have any evidence. However, I will take my vote off of him in the hopes that we dont reach a majority on him. I know were going to have more information next phase if we leave him alive, so I want to do just that. Its not so much that I want to test Batsnacks plan, but it would also be a good backup if it turns out Flux is lying. As for right now, I dont think he is, though.
On the other hand, there are two teams that are standing out to me as well, strange.
VOTE: Sophia
Frankly, I dont believe that anyone is above suspicion, but Kark has made a good point - even I have been blind to this player up until now. Why havent we put suspicion down on her yet? Shes been acting innocently, providing in depth posts. However, for a person as inexperienced in mafia as I suspect she is, they seem very in-depth and as though she is putting a lot of effort into them. Im going to dip a foot into meta territory and say shes doing so because shes got a role worth playing diligently for.
Plus, Ty4on is pretty weird, too. Hes been answering questions selectively. He has also, even more than some of you, acting like hes above suspicion.
Ok, so something has jumped out at me. I cant quite place it, but I believe Flux is telling the truth. Im not going to be able to convince anyone of that, because I legitimately dont have any evidence. However, I will take my vote off of him in the hopes that we dont reach a majority on him. I know were going to have more information next phase if we leave him alive, so I want to do just that. Its not so much that I want to test Batsnacks plan, but it would also be a good backup if it turns out Flux is lying. As for right now, I dont think he is, though.
On the other hand, there are two teams that are standing out to me as well, strange.
VOTE: Sophia
Frankly, I dont believe that anyone is above suspicion, but Kark has made a good point - even I have been blind to this player up until now. Why havent we put suspicion down on her yet? Shes been acting innocently, providing in depth posts. However, for a person as inexperienced in mafia as I suspect she is, they seem very in-depth and as though she is putting a lot of effort into them. Im going to dip a foot into meta territory and say shes doing so because shes got a role worth playing diligently for.
Plus, Ty4on is pretty weird, too. Hes been answering questions selectively. He has also, even more than some of you, acting like hes above suspicion.
Hello, I am Not Mafia Man. I have been in many communications with my partner
Give me a moment. I have something I want to say on this, but it's taking my time to go back and read posts as well as keep up. I do agree with you.
This reads post was very timeaisis-ey.
I'll let you decide what that means, but I think my point is made.
Never Forever
Member
Although reads lists are eh, at the very least Time's is the product of original thought
Kyanrute's goes with the flow and seems to just state the most inoffensive opinion shared by the greatest amount of people
Kyanrute's goes with the flow and seems to just state the most inoffensive opinion shared by the greatest amount of people
I haven't been blind to Sophia. I think I'm realizing now that between Werewolf 1, Werewolf 2, and Heist, the reason that I was one of the only ones who doubted Sophia and CrimsonFist was because I "knew" them prior to the game. They were at the top of town lists early game in all of them, with the same statement made for them each time: "calm, logical and helpful."
They turned out to be Town threats each time.
They turned out to be Town threats each time.
Will try to go through the read lists people are posting, but yeah, I can't say I've been able to get much beyond what my boat buddy has posted. I do think you all are coming on a little strong on the lack of activity on Day 1, it's not unusual to see people stay on the lower side of the post count until Day 2 due to the majority of the proceedings being pure conjecture with little history, making it difficult to find true contradictions in the text.
No, I've been waiting for the voting situation to actually stabilize a bit before I drop it. I want you to question it. Why else would I be putting my neck on the line? I just wasn't able to really follow much of the thread yesterday, was on the road for most of it, so I'm playing catchup at the moment. Should be able to sound off a bit more on the current situation soon, assuming we don't have a last minute paradigm shift like we always do.
No, I've been waiting for the voting situation to actually stabilize a bit before I drop it. I want you to question it. Why else would I be putting my neck on the line? I just wasn't able to really follow much of the thread yesterday, was on the road for most of it, so I'm playing catchup at the moment. Should be able to sound off a bit more on the current situation soon, assuming we don't have a last minute paradigm shift like we always do.
Weird, I don't remember Coppanuva making a big deal about a D1 lynch, only you. But now you're talking as if you both were putting an emphasis on a D1 lynch.
And my point is that a D1 lynch is understated. That's why people were ignoring your statement of, "So we're all for a D1 lynch, right guys?" Literally no one has voted "No Lynch" or has even argued for it, yet you still needed to emphasize just how much you want to kill someone on D1.
Could you elaborate?
Are people saying that? Because I'm getting the feeling that the two who are the most insistent on "bad play / policy vote / will be dead soon" sentiment towards me are the TL21xx and Camjo-Z duo.
Never Forever
Member
I think hyper and kitty are actually leading rn
I don't like this reason, Sophia has been involved in sorta 2 (1 of which I was in a team with her and I tried to give as much information as possible to her and Dave) games so she has a reasonable idea of what to expect, and she is paired up with a decent vet in Ty.
Two solid reasons explaining why she's posting well that contradict the inexperienced angle.
You think there's scum there? enough for a day 1 lynch ahead of people that are barely contributing?
No useful PRs flipping. That's a successful D1. Scum is a bonus. Townie is what you expect.
You were leading the votes on the last tally, son.
Hell yeah, but I'm not sure that means everyone who had the vote necessarily felt as strongly about it as the others. There's El Topo, too.
Maybe but there's less than a day left and you're leading, seems worth bringing up.
The last minute swings will be whiplash inducing.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Ok, strike all that then, if it fancies you. I'm just bothered.
Okay, so again bear with me on this. I want to bring it out in the open. This is both going to be my opinion on it as well as my read post for the moment.
You're right in that a number of people are being unusually nice to me. I can't fathom why, but for more than a few people I'm turning up as a pure town read. I figured by now I'd be called out on (what I think is) the sheer safety of my reads, but the vast majority of people have actually ignored me on this. Worse, at least two people, both from different pairs, have made me very uneasy about this. So there's a few things I wanna go over.
1 - Flux has been ignoring me and has seemingly parroted me twice.
He's almost completely avoided calling me out on stuff. The only time I can think of is when I asked is when I commented on the usefulness of his role, how he seemed to be undermining it, and wondering why he'd draw attention to it. This was his reply here, repeating that the doctor should avoid him then. Nothing particularly unusual stands out
However, what stands out to me is the fact that twice now I've offered an opinion, and twice now Flux has followed it up almost immediately. The first time was right after I made the Coppa/Flame opinion post. He immediately follows up saying he thinks something is unusual with the pair The second time was more recent, when I gave a read list yesterday morning. I commented on the fact that I wasn't getting a confident vibe in Launch at the moment, especially because of his post calling the discussion a waste of time. Launch answered my question satisfactory, but Flux immediately followed it up with a vote with no explanation. He did eventually go back and explain himself after Launch called him out on it, however I noticed this meta reference to Woof2 here.
I'd like to hear more opinions from Flux about what he feels about me.
2 - Splinter's dramatic vote and Blarg's "vote trap"
Okay so this one really made me feel off about Splinter. Cabot's been giving me town reads for awhile, but Splinter's made me nervous. Firstly, he made a vote for Coppa and said they looked "sketchy as hell", and that he forgotten they were partners until I mentioned it. Again, nothing at the time I considered unusual about this, but then there was this:
It came not too long after Flux's own vote on Launch and my opinion post. At which point he backpedaled and said he was mostly voting for dramatic effect. Does this seem weird to anyone else? I'm not a big fan of joke votes like this myself.
Following that there was this vote from Blarg, also on Launch. This is less unusual coming from Blarg, although I still don't like the lack of an explanation. I immediately followed it up by asking for more of an opinion on it, because he had called voting for Launch before a vote trap, to which he replied "It was sprung". I'm curious as to what he meant by a vote trap. Did he mean that voting for launch is a vote trap?
3 - Everyone else and my reads for the moment.
Firstly, I'm not feeling strongly about Coppa or Flame_AC in any way. I would not vote for these two. Cabot, I'm not getting scum reads on right now, he's been seemingly pretty helpful. The one set of reads he provided on the 15th said that I had "been engaged and offered thoughts on all the madness."
Launch - I understand your vote on me completely. There will be no OMGUS reaction from me here. I do however want to say that I don't have a role worth playing diligently for.
Gorlak - He's been overly nice about me. Something about jumping on the RP side seemed.. off. I can't put my finger on it.
Never Forever said that "Sophia is trying to win Miss Congeniality" I'm treating this as a negative comment unless he says otherwise. I don't have too much of an opinion on him right now.
Lastly, Karkador, the one thing that strikes me odd about you is the commentary about the game balance. I don't know what's going on with the role claims, so I'm somewhat content to let that sit myself until we have more information. Beyond that, however, I don't have a significant read on you. The fact that you mentioned this gives me a townie vibe tho.
I'd be more concerned about this closer to deadline. "Pressure" and stale votes are fine(ish), but anyone seriously pushing a Tux lynch is indeed playing strangely.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Dammit Sophia, stop being to agreeable
Blargonaut
Banned
UNVOTE: LaunchpadMcQ
VOTE: Sophia
DIIIEEEEEEEEEEE
Are you happy now, Kark
VOTE: Sophia
DIIIEEEEEEEEEEE
Are you happy now, Kark
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
damn launch FF has destroyed you.
That was meant to be snarkier than it might have read
Vote: Sophia
You know, this is exactly what happened in Werewolf 1. You thought that I trusted you for some reason, and that I was trying to get on your good side or something by seemingly going along with your opinions. I would never, ever do that. Even as a Wolf in Werewolf 2 I didn't do that and oftentimes argued in the thread against my partners. Even in this game, I'm distancing myself from my partner.
Yet, for some reason, you think that I've "avoided calling you out on stuff." What exactly would I have to call you out on? You're like CrimsonFist in Heist: with seemingly high activity but assuming the subtle role of a crowd-pleaser that makes it so it's not really apparent if there's even anything to call out.
Like I said on this page, I don't trust you. You were one of my Null reads leaning scum. But knowing my own alignment, knowing how how this scenario is exactly the same as in WW1 when you were a Wolf and I was the center of D1 discussion, how CrimsonFist played in Heist, and now with your recent comment, I'm convinced.
You're Loveless.
You know, this is exactly what happened in Werewolf 1. You thought that I trusted you for some reason, and that I was trying to get on your good side or something by seemingly going along with your opinions. I would never, ever do that. Even as a Wolf in Werewolf 2 I didn't do that and oftentimes argued in the thread against my partners. Even in this game, I'm distancing myself from my partner.
Yet, for some reason, you think that I've "avoided calling you out on stuff." What exactly would I have to call you out on? You're like CrimsonFist in Heist: with seemingly high activity but assuming the subtle role of a crowd-pleaser that makes it so it's not really apparent if there's even anything to call out.
Like I said on this page, I don't trust you. You were one of my Null reads leaning scum. But knowing my own alignment, knowing how how this scenario is exactly the same as in WW1 when you were a Wolf and I was the center of D1 discussion, how CrimsonFist played in Heist, and now with your recent comment, I'm convinced.
You're Loveless.
Blargonaut
Banned
If you must know truly, his Ocelot GIFs broke my morale
I couldn't bear to face him first, so I thought
probably some italics. Italics are always good for snark.
I suspected you would disagree, but I shared my take, and here we are.
A couple of fools.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Even if you take out her inexperience as a factor, she is probably the least standoffish player in the game by a mile. She's eager to post opinions, reads, strategies. She's on top of everything. It's weird to me.
Never Forever
Member
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
The rest of us be like:
Kark: "hmm that's a bit suspicious"
Launch: "WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST SAY ABOUT ME"
Kark: "hmm that's a bit suspicious"
Launch: "WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST SAY ABOUT ME"
All good things that I welcome on D1, the more you talk the more opportunity you have to slip up.
We've got Boo Boo and Hyper coasting on almost nothing just now, they'll be my priority for this phase.
@Sophia
My Launch vote/unvote and subsequent explanation may have been misleading, so I'll clarify. The vote itself was not a joke (I am still suspicious of Gorpad, and was strongly so at the time), only the lack of explanation and obvious sheeping of Flux's vote (which also lacked explanation when I went to make my vote).
The point to all this was to make the statement that I saw Launch's post as so shitty that an otherwise strange barrage of unexplained votes could become an ordinary, even expected, response.
"However", I had already decided that my final vote would be unlikely to rest on Gorpad. Since my statement had been made/ruined already, there was no reason to linger and I returned to whatever line of inquiry I had been pursuing previously.
Why didn't I explain all of this at the time? I prefer to leave things a little cryptic, in most cases purely for my own amusement. Sorry not sorry.
My Launch vote/unvote and subsequent explanation may have been misleading, so I'll clarify. The vote itself was not a joke (I am still suspicious of Gorpad, and was strongly so at the time), only the lack of explanation and obvious sheeping of Flux's vote (which also lacked explanation when I went to make my vote).
The point to all this was to make the statement that I saw Launch's post as so shitty that an otherwise strange barrage of unexplained votes could become an ordinary, even expected, response.
"However", I had already decided that my final vote would be unlikely to rest on Gorpad. Since my statement had been made/ruined already, there was no reason to linger and I returned to whatever line of inquiry I had been pursuing previously.
Why didn't I explain all of this at the time? I prefer to leave things a little cryptic, in most cases purely for my own amusement. Sorry not sorry.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I don't do policy votes (except noavis... fuck noavis), and your bad play is why I think you'll be dead soon. Rest assured, I don't care if you get lynched or not today.
Well I think you'll be dead soon. How about that?
I mean, what struck me as odd is how many people are saying she's providing all this 'deep' insight (which is utter puff), and CzarTim going as far as to console her for being nervous to comment.
Sophia, I sincerely welcome you to the game as much as anyone (except Sorian), but D1 is hardly the time for these butterflies to waft so gently in the breeze around you.
Sophia, I sincerely welcome you to the game as much as anyone (except Sorian), but D1 is hardly the time for these butterflies to waft so gently in the breeze around you.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
<3
Ok, but seriously, Sophia is all I got at the moment and her post has solidifed my gut feeling on her
so yesterday's opinion was we're all afraid of engaging you, and today is we all want to be in Sophia.
What will tomorrow be?
....and furthermore
I'm sure there will be scum jumping on the "So4ia is town" bandwagon, but the reason so many have read you both as town in the first place is because... you've looked really town. Sorry if that bothers you.
Of course anyone content to ignore you from here on out is a fool. A D1 town read is worth absolutely fuck all in the grand scheme of things. Some people don't even read their role in D1, it is the easiest phase to fake through.
For now though, there are simply other leads in more need of attention. Players actively hurting town or steering us of course, and of course players who will give us nothing of value without being actively harassed for answers.
These are the priorities for now. I recommend you enjoy your status while it lasts - because it won't.
I'm sure there will be scum jumping on the "So4ia is town" bandwagon, but the reason so many have read you both as town in the first place is because... you've looked really town. Sorry if that bothers you.
Of course anyone content to ignore you from here on out is a fool. A D1 town read is worth absolutely fuck all in the grand scheme of things. Some people don't even read their role in D1, it is the easiest phase to fake through.
For now though, there are simply other leads in more need of attention. Players actively hurting town or steering us of course, and of course players who will give us nothing of value without being actively harassed for answers.
These are the priorities for now. I recommend you enjoy your status while it lasts - because it won't.