I second this. It would be weird (though obviously not impossible). Just weird for scum to go hard on Cabinter and then kill them so they flip town the next day.
Love Boat [Mafia] |OT| Till Death Do Us Part
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Writing down some general thoughts. Reasons for Splibot kill:
-High post count, they prodded everyone and everything, killing Splibot could slow the discussion down, allowing scum to hide and lie better.
-Scum wants to make the people who voted for Splibot the last day look bad, but given the Blawl flip, they would already look bad. So the kill might have been made because it would not mess with the data we got from d2 votes.
-Splibot had a role that moved. Do scum have a another role that can see movement? Were they hoping for the one that denied the n1 kill from them?
-Were Splibot particularly focused on someone besides those who are dead? Were they killed because they were correctly scumreading someone? Have to read through the thread again.
-Or the inverse of the above: do scum want us to think that they were correct in their reads? No way to tell which way this goes, have to rely on other info.
-High post count, they prodded everyone and everything, killing Splibot could slow the discussion down, allowing scum to hide and lie better.
-Scum wants to make the people who voted for Splibot the last day look bad, but given the Blawl flip, they would already look bad. So the kill might have been made because it would not mess with the data we got from d2 votes.
-Splibot had a role that moved. Do scum have a another role that can see movement? Were they hoping for the one that denied the n1 kill from them?
-Were Splibot particularly focused on someone besides those who are dead? Were they killed because they were correctly scumreading someone? Have to read through the thread again.
-Or the inverse of the above: do scum want us to think that they were correct in their reads? No way to tell which way this goes, have to rely on other info.
That might actually take some points away from my Kark theory.
Then again, the intended result was probably to get Splabot lynched so on Day 3 both Kark and Blawl could go, "Whoops! But come on they were pretty scummy." then give us fake intel, and finally have D3 be a repeat of D2. Scum would love that. We'd be arguing about miller trackers all over again.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Kark, any results
We've effectively gotten rid of the scum trackers with the claim of Kark being a town tracker of some sort being somewhat true. Were it true 100%, Kark should be dead considering there is no reason why we still have a town tracker alive by the third day after the reveal. Something is up.
Of course there could be other things protecting Kark from death, be it a town role-blocker or Kark....being scum!
Yeah, I was planning on opening with why I support a vote for them before they turned up dead.
My gut reaction is this is to attack those with a Splinter vote, but I'm not sure why scum wouldn't be there.
I think they don't want to repeat D1 fiasco. They wanna steer away from doctors, and especially if they just had a failed kill.
Do remember that no one died on N1, possibly due to a doctor. If there was a doctor that blocked the kill on N1, scum possibly decided it wouldn't be safe to kill the only proclaimed Power Role left (Kark/Zipped) because the doctor might be protecting them, so they went for someone else.
Yeah sure Kark and Zipped are alive because they are scum and day two makes perfect sense if this would be the case right. Hmm. No.
Scum already lost one night kill because of currently unknown things. Kark and Zipped were the obvious target for doctors/other protective roles. This also meant that everyone else would probably not be protected by any active roles.
Scum already lost one night kill because of currently unknown things. Kark and Zipped were the obvious target for doctors/other protective roles. This also meant that everyone else would probably not be protected by any active roles.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Going to have to read through the rest of yesterday, pretty much had tuned out thinking we should just wait for the blawl flip and end the day
But there should be some useful info from yesterday's stupidity
Also I commented on the idea of kark also being evil yesterday. It would be stupid, and either Karl contuniouslt stays alive, drawing suspicion and enfing with either another scum down or A TON of tracking info, or he does soon
He's not going to be voted out today
If scum has 4 members, a smart scum team would be been bidding blawl, but the fact that the vote for so close is useful. I just doing I'll find all 8 members on one side (although scum team, if you all bussed blawl yesterday, I'd be pretty impressed. I don't think I have that sort of self-control
But there should be some useful info from yesterday's stupidity
Also I commented on the idea of kark also being evil yesterday. It would be stupid, and either Karl contuniouslt stays alive, drawing suspicion and enfing with either another scum down or A TON of tracking info, or he does soon
He's not going to be voted out today
If scum has 4 members, a smart scum team would be been bidding blawl, but the fact that the vote for so close is useful. I just doing I'll find all 8 members on one side (although scum team, if you all bussed blawl yesterday, I'd be pretty impressed. I don't think I have that sort of self-control
Hyperactivity
Banned
Yeah I'm gonna go with doctor or rokeblocker for now
Giant Panda
Member
Based on how Blawl flipped, I doubt that Karkhead are scum. I know that I said yesterday that I doubted Blawl would act the way they did if they were scum, so I was wrong on that account. But I think I was wrong due to a mistake by Blawl, the way they were acting they were destined to die one way or another very soon. It's possible that scum realized Blawl were doomed, and had Karkhead bus them, but that seems unlikely. No one else has claimed tracker, and I think there has to be a town tracker role.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Was a guess, had been saying 3 before
It could very well be a weaker scum team with more members and a stronger town
Leaving us with bated breath. What happened?
So (and this goes for you too Jay)... why do you want to vote on him? Why would you think Kark is scum? He bussed Blarg on day 2 and called his claim BS. Blarg wasn't a target until Kark called his bluff, I have a hard time understanding ANY world in which a scum would bus his partner that early.
Can you envision a scenario in which scum claims quickly on D1 with the obvious red flag of "Miller" and gets subsequently lynched for it on D2?
That's kinda hard to envision, luckily we don't have to! I built this great tool that lets us see what that would look like! You just have to click here!
I still don't see why you think Kark is scum here.
I'll only take my vote off once there is proof that Karkador is actually a tracker.
That'd work if I said anything crazy at the start of D2!
So is there a report or not?
Something happened
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Wow, I was coming in here to put my vote down on Splintbot. RIP, you suspicious bastards.
Yeah, I don't know why I would have gone in so hard against them if I was just going to kill them; doesn't really make sense.
Why not?
To be fair, they were a very suspicious pair.
Yeah, I don't know why I would have gone in so hard against them if I was just going to kill them; doesn't really make sense.
Why not?
To be fair, they were a very suspicious pair.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Also, yes, I believe that Karkador survived because mafia believed we would be the center of roles. Splintbot's role confirms the existence of a tracker; seeing as how no one has countered Kark's claim, it's a safe bet that he is who he says he is.
Moreover, I believe that Kark has information... very specific information that I think he should keep to himself for now, if it is what I think it is.
Moreover, I believe that Kark has information... very specific information that I think he should keep to himself for now, if it is what I think it is.
I flipped a coin.
Also, the momentum that Splintbot bandwagon got was pretty bad. I guess I contributed there, but I wasn't really that suspect of the duo; I just thought it'd be really funny to do. 'Course, that's also why I decided to keep my vote on Blawl, in the end, since they're the ones I actually wanted to lynch.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
It's bizarre that one of the pairs that had the most heat on them at the end of the last phase was the one mafia chose to die. But then again, I guess it was the least risky option. If the mafia are trying to avoid a doctor protection, then they'd go for the town pair with the most suspicion on them, right?
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LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
My, my. Those are some interesting things you've bolded there.
Well... yeah? Are you highlighting my flip-flopping? Come on, dude, that was talked about extensively at the end of D2; you always revisit tired conversations. It's not contradicting what I'm saying here, either.
Basically: The choice between a funny lynch, or the lynch I actually believed in. I said as much multiple times before.
I take it your suggesting Flux/Time are scum?