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LTTP: The Shield - spoilers for all of it

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I'll just mark spoilers here again because I noticed a few people on GAF are watching it at the moment likely due to Netflix picking it up and I don't want to spoil it.

The Shield is fucking awesome. I wish I didn't wait so long to watch it. It is easily one of the best dramas ever made. The finale is near perfect and the final season was an amazing build up to it. So many people have said that but I didn't realize just how good it was going to be. It's kinda hard to know where to start when talking about a whole show so I guess I'll talk about a few characters

Dutch and Claudette - the friendship and partnership between these two was really convincing. I initially didn't think much of them when the show started because they weren't particularly exciting compared to what Vic was doing but then Dutch took down that serial killer and my opinion on him soared. Really good stuff. Eventually, they became the feel good section of the show as it was kinda sweet to see how they'd back each other up whenever shit hit the fan. Plus, I really liked Claudette as Captain. Sure, she didn't have a crazy storyline like Acevada got in season 3 and she's not Glenn Close but she got shit done even with lupus. And now she's gonna die :( Also, I know some people think Dutch is a serial killer because of that cat scene...yeeaaa...no.

Lem - thinking about Lem is bumming me out. He was so nice. He was willing to be somewhat dirty to get results but he had a good heart. And than Shane....Lem deserved a death like that the least

Ronnie - I generally laughed when he was on screen in the early seasons because it was almost like they were trying to shove it in our face with how little importance this guy was. He has like one line across four seasons. His arc over the show was like watching fucking Boyhood where he gradually grew a personality. It was great finally getting to see him shout at Vic at the end after all the shit he's done for him. He got his face burnt off for that asshole. I suppose Anton Mitchell had him killed if he ever noticed he existed in the first place. Ronnie was still invisible in the season they dealt with him.

Shane - oh boy, Jesus. Where to begin? He's a piece of shit. Constant fuck up. Racist asshole. Yet, I was still upset when he died with his family. Way to jerk a tear out of me with that family meeting. God damn. Walton Goggins gave an amazing performance throughout the show, probably the best of the cast. I need to see him in more stuff. I also want to add just how great his fight with Tavon. Very brutal and convincing. Those two looked like they really wanted to kill each other.

Acevada - a pretty annoying character for a while until mid way through season 3. Then...I don't really have much to say about that particular storyline except it was a very bold thing to put on TV and Acevade became a million times more interesting after that. Some grim shit right there. This show is grim all round. I shouldn't have watched that episode just before going to bed.

Julian - kinda the opposite of Acevada. I was very invested in Julian's storyline in the early seasons than he kinda just started being around. I would have liked to have seen more of him dealing with his homosexuality but Shawn Ryan's comments on how people repress this stuff for years makes sense. We got that one little nod to that arc in the finale I suppose.

Guest stars - Few decent guest actors throughout the show. Glenn Close who I mentioned earlier was great as expected. Forest Whitaker played such a weirdo. He was so creepy, no wonder he had a crazy wife. Him going head to head with Vic is a highlight of the show. Even Carl Weathers showed up at some point to get a stew going.

Vic - Michael Chiklis is awesome. Deserved that one emmy he won. He made an evil asshole compelling which has been a trend in TV for the last few years. Vic Mackey got a better ending than any other similar TV character though. I don't want to start making comparisons though because then the thread will just become about that. This is a show that just builds upon everything. The cop murder in the first episode was obviously significant but they solve that storyline fairly early on and then it comes back to haunt Vic again. Same with the money train. It feels like all the loose ends are tied up then BAM! It's brought up again. All the shit with Shane and Lem all comes tumbling down upon Vic and results in that beautiful scene with Vic's confession. Vic's face before he starts with the murder with the cop whose name I've forgotten is perfect. His face at the very last scene at the office, perfect. Seriously, what a perfect ending. Closing a loop on a character while managing to show the significance of the where the show started in the first episode but still leaving a bit of mystery of where Vic will go from there. He deserved everything he got. He has to live with the guilt of what happened to his partners with everyone knowing just how awful he is with no family around to love him. Perfect. Tell me a show with a better ending. I'm not being facetious. Tell me so I can watch it and be impressed with another finale because an ending has never been this satisfying to me.

I really want to talk about that scene where everyone learns that Shane tried to have Ronnie killed. As much as I love the ending, this might be the best scene. Since the audience knew what happened, the show gets so tense as we see the investigation get closer to Shane and how he tries to cover it up. Naturally, after everyone finds out, the show is again tense because it switches to Shane being on the run being hunted by the cops. Yet there's this moment in between those two waves of intensity. A grace period where Shane accepts that he's going to be caught. He knows it's about to happen. The rest of the characters are about to know in a few seconds. There is this lovely scene where Shane looks peaceful as he walks out of the police station. I really love it and Walton Goggins performance likely deserves the credit to it. I think it makes Shane's ultimate fate so much more tragic.

That was all a bit rambly. I get so excited talking about the show even though I finished it over a week ago. I wanted to wait a bit before making a thread so I could compose my thoughts. Clearly didn't work :p

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Ndless

Banned
After hearing some producer or something claim, weeks before the finale, that Breaking Bad's ending would not only blow our minds, but that it'd change how we viewed TV endings, I thought maybe, just maybe, The Shield could be topped. After BB's rather predictable ending, well, it didn't.

The Shield still remains among the greatest TV shows of all time, and still undisputed at having the greatest ending of any TV show.
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
still my favorite tv show ever
 
An all around great show, and a surprise for me. It hooks you from the first episode, through to the chilling finale. That end when Vic is sitting and taking stock of all the stuff he's done and all the friends he's gotten killed and the family he's alienated. All just so he'd end up where he did... It's a fantastic ending to a great show. I wish I could re-watch it for the first time again.
 

Z..

Member
Good show.

Nowhere near being one of the best dramas. Apart from it's excellent character development, it's quite average. Technically, it's a one trick pony (the cinematography in particular is excrutiatingly repetitive) and the writing is never extraordinary. Aside from some choice characters (Shane, Vic, Claudette) the less said about the acting the better.

Still, a good show indeed.
 
Watched it a few months ago, best show I've ever seen, with the best pilot and best finale in top of that. Seasons 1-3 were good, but 4-7 were god tier television.
 

Raphael

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It's nowhere near as good as The Wire.

Oh come on. I also think The Wire is the best tv show ever but The shield is reeaaallly good and saying "it's nowhere near" is really underselling it.

I think shield & breaking bad are the only shows I found possible to watch all the way through after the wire. Even though the wire is overall better but those two are way more captivating.
 

BouncyFrag

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I always rooted for Dutch even though his interactions with the opposite sex could be best described as train-wrecks. Him taking this guy down from season one is one of my favorite little moments in the show.
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I really enjoyed The Shield but I am I the only one that thought that it started out kind of weak and got stronger over time? I thought the first season was fairly poor overall, the shooting of what's his face (Terry?) at the beginning set a standard for "this dude is fucked up" that the show never came close to touching again until much later, and the acting and writing was a bit on the cheesy side. I think that as the show went on it improved a lot and ended up being legitmately excellent in some of the later seasons but it was a weak start. I think that the writers sort of jumped the shark right away with their portrayal of Vic and co. with that shooting, and I suspect they intentionally tried to back off of it for later seasons.
 

Karu

Member
^ I thought Season 1 was good. Season 2 was a bit better. Season 3 was a unfocused mess and overall pretty bad. Season 4 kicked things into high gear for the first time and since then every season succeded the previous one, culminating in the best final season of alltime!
 

BouncyFrag

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I really enjoyed The Shield but I am I the only one that thought that it started out kind of weak and got stronger over time? I thought the first season was fairly poor overall, the shooting of what's his face (Terry?) at the beginning set a standard for "this dude is fucked up" that the show never came close to touching again until much later, and the acting and writing was a bit on the cheesy side. I think that as the show went on it improved a lot and ended up being legitmately excellent in some of the later seasons but it was a weak start. I think that the writers sort of jumped the shark right away with their portrayal of Vic and co. with that shooting, and I suspect they intentionally tried to back off of it for later seasons.

Killing Terry was a massive risk for Vic and Shane to take on. I'm not sure if this is answered, but did they go into the drug bust with the intent to kill him or was it that they saw an opportunity and took it? Compared to all the shit the strike team will have to face in the series, getting Terry off the team without killing him shouldn't have been too much of a problem. On the other hand, that last scene in the first episode sucked me into the show. I also liked how that single moment resonated though out the entire series and that it would not go unpunished. Too bad it was Ronnie who got thrown under the bus and was ultimately betrayed by Vic who could only save his own skin. Vic was certainly a devious and cunning SOB.
 
One of the best TV shows of all time. My second favourite TV show. I love it. Even more then Breaking Bad.
My favourite scene probably is scene where guys are preparing to get Lem out of town and he's hugging everybody. This scene is the moment of a true male friendship.
And you should watch Justified, Walton Goggins is amazing in it.
 

Leependi

Member
Recently started watching it myself on Netflix, only just finished S3 so didn't read and of your post to avoid spoilers. Was pissed when Dutch
kills that cat though and was terrified when he was lurking around that box of kittens in the S3 finale.

Will now leave this thread until I've finished the series.
 
I always rooted for Dutch even though his interactions with the opposite sex could be best described as train-wrecks. Him taking this guy down from season one is one of my favorite little moments in the show.
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...issat Mark Snow? Huh.

Good program, I'd put it at the high end of B-tier though. Too much weekly procedural stuff for it to be A-tier for me.
 
Best part of the show, is how you're disgusted by Mackey in the first episode, but then as the show progresses it becomes like a Stockholm syndrome-thing with you finding excuses for Mackey because of how manipulative he is. Then at the end during the interrogation, you realize how he has had you during the whole show. The reaction of Agent Murrey is basically how you as a viewer react to all the awful shit Mackey's done.
 

Hindle

Banned
The dynamic between Dutch and Vic was well written, in the earlier seasons Durh is scared shitless of Vic. The closing scenes of the show however, you see Dutch looking at Vic as though to say I was afraid of this guy?

The character development for the show was fucking awesome.
 

rc6886

Unconfirmed Member
fuck why did you have to post that gif :(


damn the show was amazing. Check out Justified for more of Shane.

Ditto. That was a great scene and WELL acted (Walton Goggins is a great actor) but that pretty much made me (and I'm sure everyone else) hate Shane for the rest of the series.
 

rc6886

Unconfirmed Member
Killing Terry was a massive risk for Vic and Shane to take on. I'm not sure if this is answered, but did they go into the drug bust with the intent to kill him or was it that they saw an opportunity and took it? Compared to all the shit the strike team will have to face in the series, getting Terry off the team without killing him shouldn't have been too much of a problem. On the other hand, that last scene in the first episode sucked me into the show. I also liked how that single moment resonated though out the entire series and that it would not go unpunished. Too bad it was Ronnie who got thrown under the bus and was ultimately betrayed by Vic who could only save his own skin. Vic was certainly a devious and cunning SOB.

They went in intending to kill him.

Gilroy gave a heads up to Vic that Terry was going to rat on them, so Shane and Vic (probably mostly Vic) used the drug bust to take him out.
 

Ramza

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My favorite TV show of all time. Seen the whole thing three times, too. And that season 5 finale STILL brings a tear to my eye.
 
Yep, my favorite or second favorite show of all time, depending on the day. Season 1 is a bit weak, although it has some great episodes (Dutch catching the serial killer), but everything goes up from there.
 
I really need to watch the series from start to finish again soon, the season 5 finale still has an impact on me today.

I also dig the commentaries on the selected episodes throughout the series i love how the cast interacted with each other during them too.
 

Z..

Member
Oh it's pretty damn near. Now that I think about it I really enjoyed every single season of shield for 7 seasons, while 2 and 5 in the wire wasn't a good watch.

The only thing The Shield can even come close to The Wire on is entertainment value. Everything else, be it the technical aspects, the writing, the acting or whatever you can possibly come up with are world's apart. The Shield is very enjoyable but is on the very lower end of the list when it comes to good TV.

Oh come on. I also think The Wire is the best tv show ever but The shield is reeaaallly good and saying "it's nowhere near" is really underselling it.

I think shield & breaking bad are the only shows I found possible to watch all the way through after the wire. Even though the wire is overall better but those two are way more captivating.

That's just it, though... apart from being entertaining, the show doesn't have anything else really going for it apart from the character development.

Breaking Bad is quite a bit better than The Shield, but it's still nowhere near the likes of Deadwood, Berlin Alexanderplatz, Band of Brothers, Sopranos, Dekalog or The Wire.

The thing is, most people only care about how much fun they had watching something and rarely take the time to actually appreciate a show's crafstmanship, which is why shows like Breaking Bad are so popular. They're so enthralling people don't even look at the bigger picture. They're just there for the ride.

I dislike that passive viewer mentality. I like to watch something as a whole. As entertaining as The Shield was, in the end very little was said or left for you to ponder. It's a soap opera designed to keep you coming back for more mindless entertainment. The Wire has more to say in any single given episode than the Shield ever had during it's entire run. The Wire is jam packed with eye opening subtext at every corner, it is refined social commentary at it's most incise and poignant extreme.
 
The only thing The Shield can even come close to The Wire on is entertainment value. Everything else, be it the technical aspects, the writing, the acting or whatever you can possibly come up with are world's apart. The Shield is very enjoyable but is on the very lower end of the list when it comes to good TV..

Well yeah. While I appreciate all the other crafts that go into completing a TV show, the entertainment aspect is by far number one for me.
 
Someday - and there will be a day, I believe there will, I HAVE to believe - there will be a thread about The Shield that will be about The Shield. And all the characters will be discussed, and the high points will be reminisced upon, and the low points will be derided, and the character arcs will be studied and applauded.

And nobody will think to bring up The Wire or Breaking Bad. They just won't.

It'll be a good day.
 
Killing Terry was a massive risk for Vic and Shane to take on. I'm not sure if this is answered, but did they go into the drug bust with the intent to kill him or was it that they saw an opportunity and took it? Compared to all the shit the strike team will have to face in the series, getting Terry off the team without killing him shouldn't have been too much of a problem. On the other hand, that last scene in the first episode sucked me into the show. I also liked how that single moment resonated though out the entire series and that it would not go unpunished. Too bad it was Ronnie who got thrown under the bus and was ultimately betrayed by Vic who could only save his own skin. Vic was certainly a devious and cunning SOB.

He threw Ronnie under the bus more to save Corrine than anything else.
 

Foggy

Member
Currently going through another series rewatch and I'm at the end of season 3. Seasons 4 and 5 are absolutely masterclass seasons so I'm really pumped to introduce those to my girlfriend.

Oh and Agent Coulson:

Totally a granny raper
 

Foggy

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The thing is, most people only care about how much fun they had watching something and rarely take the time to actually appreciate a show's crafstmanship, which is why shows like Breaking Bad are so popular. They're so enthralling people don't even look at the bigger picture. They're just there for the ride.

I dislike that passive viewer mentality. I like to watch something as a whole. As entertaining as The Shield was, in the end very little was said or left for you to ponder. It's a soap opera designed to keep you coming back for more mindless entertainment. The Wire has more to say in any single given episode than the Shield ever had during it's entire run. The Wire is jam packed with eye opening subtext at every corner, it is refined social commentary at it's most incise and poignant extreme.

Well sure if you compare The Wire to The Shield on the Wire's terms then yes it falls far short. That's not really how it works though. It's only viewing art through a certain spectrum and doesn't even account for the craft and incredible joy brought by a phenomenal story. The Wire's main character is Baltimore and The Shield's main character is Vic Mackey and so at their core, the shows are going to accomplish very different goals. A piece of art doesn't need to "have something to say" in order to be culturally relevant and profoundly affecting. The Shield is an emotionally engrossing and substantial story that just so happens to be told very well, from the acting to the writing to the photography. Dismissing phenomenal storytelling because it doesn't stack up to more thematically dense art is limited and doesn't reflect how we've digested, appreciated, and loved storytelling since...well, since dudes told stories around a fire.
 

Z..

Member
Well sure if you compare The Wire to The Shield on the Wire's terms then yes it falls far short. That's not really how it works though. It's only viewing art through a certain spectrum and doesn't even account for the craft and incredible joy brought by a phenomenal story. The Wire's main character is Baltimore and The Shield's main character is Vic Mackey and so at their core, the shows are going to accomplish very different goals. A piece of art doesn't need to "have something to say" in order to be culturally relevant and profoundly affecting. The Shield is an emotionally engrossing and substantial story that just so happens to be told very well, from the acting to the writing to the photography. Dismissing phenomenal storytelling because it doesn't stack up to more thematically dense art is limited and doesn't reflect how we've digested, appreciated, and loved storytelling since...well, since dudes told stories around a fire.

The writing and photography (I assume you mean cinematography here, correct?) in The Shield are good now?

It ain't a bad show by any measure of the word, but if you really want to highlight it's strenghts don't go for it's weakest elements. It has great character development, but the story itself is both pointless and poorly told. It doesn't stop it being fun and the amazing character development is more then enough to make it stand on it's own, especially since Vic and Shane do such a great job at selling you these amazing characters, but the writing is exceptionally average apart from the character development.. The less said about the cinematography the better. It's an insult to the art of cinematography. How it can be so pretentious without any actual skill to back it up is beyond me. It's a one trick pony, forever chasing after that Greengrass touch and never even getting close. It's absurdly derivative and completely uninventive. It gets even more boring as the show progresses, too.

All that said, I have no hate for the show at all. It was one hell of a ride. Vic is one of the best characters that the format ever produced and Walton Goggins was such a magnificent diamond in the rough. Great characters, good show. It is undoubtedly a good show.
Just quite flawed.

The punchline here is that if you reverse the process and judge The Wire on The Shield's terms... it's still absurdly superior.
 

Foggy

Member
The writing and photography (I assume you mean cinematography here, correct?) in The Shield are good now?

It ain't a bad show by any measure of the word, but if you really want to highlight it's strenghts don't go for it's weakest elements. It has great character development, but the story itself is both pointless and poorly told. It doesn't stop it being fun and the amazing character development is more then enough to make it stand on it's own, especially since Vic and Shane do such a great job at selling you these amazing characters, but the writing is exceptionally average apart from the character development.. The less said about the cinematography the better. It's an insult to the art of cinematography. How it can be so pretentious without any actual skill to back it up is beyond me. It's a one trick pony, forever chasing after that Greengrass touch and never even getting close. It's absurdly derivative and completely uninventive. It gets even more boring as the show progresses, too.

All that said, I have no hate for the show at all. It was one hell of a ride. Vic is one of the best characters that the format ever produced and Walton Goggins was such a magnificent diamond in the rough. Great characters, good show. It is undoubtedly a good show.
Just quite flawed.

The punchline here is that if you reverse the process and judge The Wire on The Shield's terms... it's still absurdly superior.

Well I'm not sure what to say when you think the writing is poor, but the characterization is excellent. The writing of these characters work perfectly in tandem with the actors and the "point" of the show is the story of these characters. Maybe that's not good enough for you or constitute enough of a purpose, but it's certainly good enough for a lot of people and I honestly don't think that's a lack of substance. As for the camerawork, they were making this show in the same manner years before Greengrass made a punchline out of handheld cinematography. If that's not your thing, then to each his own, but for its time, it was pretty great seeing a show filmed this way and it worked perfectly in concert with the tone of the show.

At the end of the day, I'm sure we're 90% on the same page. I'm just not so quick to dismiss The Shield when compared to a show like The Wire. Besides, comparing comfort food to French cuisine isn't something I'm particularly interested in either way.
 
I dislike that passive viewer mentality. I like to watch something as a whole. As entertaining as The Shield was, in the end very little was said or left for you to ponder. It's a soap opera designed to keep you coming back for more mindless entertainment. The Wire has more to say in any single given episode than the Shield ever had during it's entire run. The Wire is jam packed with eye opening subtext at every corner, it is refined social commentary at it's most incise and poignant extreme.

Respect your opinion but I disagree completely. Sure The Shield may not be as deep as The Wire but nowhere near this exaggerated.
 
All I want is that clip of Lem taking on 3 baddies at once available online. The action in this show is INTENSE. Every shootout & fist fight is so brutal
 
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