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[Stumpokapow]

http://www.airserverapp.com/

I personally vouch for this. I have AirPlay receivers in every room except my kitchen, and I use this to turn my MBA into a receiver so I can listen to music while I'm doing the dishes.

Spoken as somebody who has never started a gigabyte plus transfer of multiple files and then went to do other things.

Or in most common use case, copying multiple terabytes of 2+ million files and nested subdirectories across a network connection :/

 

[rezuth]

I don't know if I read it right but 9to5mac is reporting that Moutain Lion will not work ob MacBook Pros with Intel Core 2 Duos. How true is that? My MBP is less than a year old.

How is this possible? 13 inch or refurb?

 

[Treefingers]

@ upandaway who was worried about software updates requiring an Apple ID - it appears an Apple ID is not necessary to get software updates, I was just able to download & install one without being signed in.

 

[gblues]

The 9to5mac article was saying that AirPlay isn't working on Core 2 Duo Macs.

9to5mac is full of more shit than Shit Mountain. I dunno if it's working in the developer preview or not, but in general they aren't a very reliable news source.

 

[Timan]

9to5mac is full of more shit than Shit Mountain. I dunno if it's working in the developer preview or not, but in general they aren't a very reliable news source.

Doesn't work on my C2D MBA (2010)

 

[KtSlime]

Doesn't work on my C2D MBA (2010)

Apple has not announced that there will or will not be limitations on the hardware capable of airplay so I don't think anyone can say. I fully believe you when you say it does not work at the moment, however this is a pre-preview release that is not slated for release for another 4-5 months.

And 9to5mac is full of shit in general. Gurman will write just about anything to get hits.

 

[Utako]

I'm running Mountain Lion. Kind of a boring update. No change in opinion. At least Snow Leopard brought the optims, which are valuable.

this reminds me.. im still on leopard..
And i'm fine with it.

Lion was really worthwhile, even if the merging of OS X and iOS has started off pretty awkward.

 

[upandaway]

@ upandaway who was worried about software updates requiring an Apple ID - it appears an Apple ID is not necessary to get software updates, I was just able to download & install one without being signed in.

Oh niice. Thanks man. I assume that's really important info for lots of people.

 

[Refrigerator]

"Thank you for participating in the Messages Beta program. With the inclusion of Messages in OS X Mountain Lion, the Messages Beta program has ended. To continue using Messages, please visit the Mac App Store and purchase OS X Mountain Lion."

So it looks like Lion won't be free. Not shocked by that.

 

[Ken Masters]

so they are saying that airplay won't work on late 2010 13" MBP, complete bullshit by Apple if this is true

 

[Jasoco]

Lion won't be free. Who cares. Lion won't be more than $29. And may even be $9.99 or $19.99. We could be paying $200.

 

[KtSlime]

so they are saying that airplay won't work on late 2010 13" MBP, complete bullshit by Apple if this is true

Who is 'they'?

 

[Sanjuro]

Ok, as somebody who is typing this post on a six year old iBook G4 running 10.5, I need to point out something fairly important:

Sometimes you don't necessarily want the new version, because it's not going to be optimized for your platform.

Even though people have been packaging Universal binaries for years, PPC platforms have increasingly become an afterthought, so performance is primarily tested on the newer platforms that typically have more memory. My laptop generally isn't as fast as it used to be simply because the software has become slower. The same situation is likely happening for the 32/64bit divide. They'll do primary testing on the 64bit side, but will just be happy if the 32bit version doesn't barf all over itself.

Fortunately for people like me, though, there are still people who will develop for PPC as a primary target, and stuff like TenFourFox works amazingly well while still being current with Firefox.

I wish you were the type of customer to come into my shop. I see PowerBooks/etc. on a almost daily basis, each person with the response "I thought Macs were supposed to be good" when given the reasoning why they can no longer upgrade.

 

[Joel Was Right]

I'm looking forward to this update although I'm not really excited about iCloud. Google Documents and Dropbox have me covered

 

[RevoDS]

Lion won't be free. Who cares. Lion won't be more than $29. And may even be $9.99 or $19.99. We could be paying $200.

Were people seriously expecting it to be free?

I'm digging the update from what I've seen, and even if it's $29 like Lion was, it's still very much worth the price in my opinion. It's no Lion (I couldn't live without full screen + mission control + three-finger gestures anymore), but it seems like a pretty damn good release in terms of features.

Love the expanding use for iCloud and its deep integration throughout the OS. The new/improved apps seem nice, as well, and so does the notification centre. Especially if they set it to share notification between devices.

The only thing I'm left scratching my head about is AirPlay Mirroring. Capped at 15fps, it won't be of any use for streaming videos, and since it requires an Apple TV, it's completely useless for any professional use. What's its purpose?

 

[GoingGreen]

Were people seriously expecting it to be free?

I'm digging the update from what I've seen, and even if it's $29 like Lion was, it's still very much worth the price in my opinion. It's no Lion (I couldn't live without full screen + mission control + three-finger gestures anymore), but it seems like a pretty damn good release in terms of features.

Love the expanding use for iCloud and its deep integration throughout the OS. The new/improved apps seem nice, as well, and so does the notification centre. Especially if they set it to share notification between devices.

The only thing I'm left scratching my head about is AirPlay Mirroring. Capped at 15fps, it won't be of any use for streaming videos, and since it requires an Apple TV, it's completely useless for any professional use. What's its purpose?

PowerPoint, Excel, etc

 

[Sean]

Where has it been mentioned that AirPlay mirroring is capped at 15fps?

 

[RevoDS]

PowerPoint, Excel, etc

Yeah, I know about those, but the main use for plugging PowerPoint or Excel on to a large screen is for professional presentations and the like; do they expect the Apple TV to become commonplace in offices?

Edit: Well, I used "capped" loosely as it's not an actual cap, but early reports say that you won't get a good framerate on current MacBook Pros/Air/iMacs, let alone older ones like mine (my 13" MBP dates back to the mid-2009 release)

 

[Technosteve]

i still like 10.6.8 the best but airplay being a standard across all apple devices makes me happy.

 

[KtSlime]

Yeah, I know about those, but the main use for plugging PowerPoint or Excel on to a large screen is for professional presentations and the like; do they expect the Apple TV to become commonplace in offices?

Well why not? It's pretty cheap, plus perhaps Apple will expand the AirPlay 3rd party protocol to supporting video when Apple introduces the AirPlay HD.

What kind of professional use did you want out of AirPlay? It will get better as we get faster wireless devices, this is just the beginning.

 

[mrkgoo]

I 'solved' my previous issue with Messages. I reinstalled and it never asked me to put the password into keychain.

Can someone else with messages confirm that their default keychain contains two keys related to imessages, but not a third 'password'?

 

[Prologue]

They seem to try to mimic the iPad/iphone experience but you still can't use the apps across platforms. I understand its an os/coding issue but still. Seems like untapped potential you know?

 

[Terrell]

Love the expanding use for iCloud and its deep integration throughout the OS. The new/improved apps seem nice, as well, and so does the notification centre. Especially if they set it to share notification between devices.

YES YES ALL OVER MY FACE

My iPhone is my mobile go-to device, I don't want to have to use it at home at all if I don't have to. To get my notifications and my text messages in bed at my Mac without having to reach into my bag for my phone is AWESOME.

The Messages beta, in that sense, is already a godsend. I live in Vancouver, so practically everyone I know uses an iPhone anyways, and that means I can get ALL my texts at home now, with a full keyboard, while I do everything else I normally do.

There's only one feature I need now... universal text enlargement across the whole OS.

 

[Alfarif]

yes and no. not every Mac can run Mountain Lion. not every Mac that can handle it will be updated to Mountain Lion. there will be a market for the foreseeable future, albeit smaller than they expected.

There's also something people are forgetting about Growl: it can listen to incoming network connections. You can have it update you about things happening across your network. I don't know if Apple's notifications solution will do this, but it's extremely helpful when you have a mini-server farm going on at your house.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

What's this about AirPlay being capped at 15fps? Is that how it works on iPad/iPhone, too? Seems worthless for video streaming.

 

[LCfiner]

What's this about AirPlay being capped at 15fps? Is that how it works on iPad/iPhone, too? Seems worthless for video streaming.

where did this come from?

It’s definitely not capped at 15 fps from iOS to Apple TV. either for display mirroring or video streaming.

 

[Joel Was Right]

When we spoke with Growl Creator Christopher Forsythe for 5 Minutes on The Verge, he had this to say about the state of desktop notification systems:

I'm sure that in the next 2-3 years we'll see it all translated back to the desktop from the mobile devices. I'm sure it won't be as cool as Growl, but it'll be interesting.
​

Well, it looks like his timing was a bit off, as Apple added iOS' Notification Center to OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion. In our preview, we noted the parallels it had to Growl, and it seems Forsythe did too, as he took the time to respond to Notification Center on his company's blog. The long and short of it: he isn't that concerned.

Forsythe noted that Growl's approach to desktop notifications differs from Apple's by offering customization for users and developers, as well as the ability to tie into apps that come from the Mac App Store and elsewhere. Notification Center, on the other hand, doesn't seem to be customizable and access to its APIs is limited to Apple-approved apps. While Forsythe was quick to point out what he sees to be his app's advantages, he also noted the possibility to integrate it with Notification Center. We'll have to wait until later this year to find out if Growl will get sherlocked.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/18/2...-center?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter​

 

[Burai]

Not in the immediate future, but I can certainly see them being merged maybe five or six years from now.

Most of the changes to OS X over the last few years have been about bringing it more in line with iOS. An app store, LaunchPad, redesigned iCal/Mail/Address Book to be more like iPad versions, auto-hiding scrollbars, changing the way scrolling works, auto-save/resume, FaceTime, push notifications, iOS style auto-correct, emoji, new multi-touch gestures, and coming soon there's iCloud, Notes, Reminders, Notification Center, Game Center.

iOS has been getting a lot of Mac apps (Photo Booth, Garage Band, iMovie, Pages, Numbers, Keynote, even Airport Utility) and OS X has been cribbing a lot of user interface elements and features from iOS. Sooner or later they are going to become practically identical and it will make sense to merge them.

What you are saying isn't out of the realm of possibility, but it just doesn't make much sense to me from what I've seen thus far.

They have a lot of feature creep now, but the user interface and hardware differences make it so that a single product makes little sense. They'd either have to dumb down their computers or over-complicate their phone and tablet software for this to work. They'd never do the former because Mac sales are growing for a reason and they'd never do the latter because it'll turn users off. The other thing is that it makes more sense for Apple to sell you multiple devices.

There's a huge difference between porting a few apps, services and design concepts and merging two operating systems. Frankly, most of the stuff they've announced in ML is so overdue that I'm amazed it never happened sooner. The new Notes app with it's iCloud syncing, for example, is something I've wanted for years. I hated having to get my phone out and then physically type up what I'd noted during the day. Now I can just copy, paste and get to work without even having to be on the same continent as the device I made the note on.

In spite of everything that Apple have brought across, OS X is still very clearly a desktop operating system. They've clearly taken lessons and ideas from iOS, but I'd be disappointed if they hadn't and pretended the two products existed in a vacuum for the sake of just being different.

 

[Utako]

There's only one feature I need now... universal text enlargement across the whole OS.

Seems like that would destroy most apps on OS X and the Web.

Your best bet is probably to wait for a Retina MacBook or enable HiDPI mode on a Mac running Lion.

 

[Always-honest]

I'm running Mountain Lion. Kind of a boring update. No change in opinion. At least Snow Leopard brought the optims, which are valuable.

Lion was really worthwhile, even if the merging of OS X and iOS has started off pretty awkward.

Yeah i know, but i'm too afraid the upgrade will fuck things up.
I'll probably be buying a new mac this or next year anyway.

I might still upgrade.. we'll see. It works fine now.

 

[DefectiveReject]

Excel doesn't seem to work with this version of ML
Only thing so.far

 

[polyh3dron]

What's this about AirPlay being capped at 15fps? Is that how it works on iPad/iPhone, too? Seems worthless for video streaming.

if that's the case then wow that sucks...

all good though, I'm buying the next Mac Pro when it comes out which apparently will have a 7970 video card with HDMI outs on it, I'll run one of those to my TV.

 

[linkboy]

Kinda sucks that it looks like my MBP isn't going to support Mountain Lion (its this computer)

I'll be able to run Windows 8 on this machine, but not the new OS X, anyone see something odd with that.

Other then a bad graphics card and the magsafe issue, this computer has had one hell of a run.

 

[noah111]

I'll be able to run Windows 8 on this machine, but not the new OS X, anyone see something odd with that.

I'd be surprised if my first computer that ran Win. 98 couldn't run Windows 8. That shit is so bare.

That does suck dude, but that's a machine from 2007, it's been 6 (SIX!) years bro. You can't possible be surprised..

[edit] i'm so glad when I got my MBP on craiglist that i went with i5 instead of core 2 duo. phew.

 

[DarkFlow]

So is apple ever going to jump to OS 11, or do they plan to just keep releasing incremental updates till the end of time?

 

[noah111]

So is apple ever going to jump to OS 11, or do they plan to just keep releasing incremental updates till the end of time?

I almost hope they update iOS to reach 11 at the same time OS X reaches 11, just to have an awesome collision/merger.

 

[Utako]

Kinda sucks that it looks like my MBP isn't going to support Mountain Lion (its this computer)

I'll be able to run Windows 8 on this machine, but not the new OS X, anyone see something odd with that.

Other then a bad graphics card and the magsafe issue, this computer has had one hell of a run.

I honestly cannot fathom what Mountain Lion is doing that your machine cannot.

All I can guess is that perhaps the next revision after this will require way more modern hardware, and this measure is getting consumers mentally prepared to update their machines ahead of it.

Or it's an arbitrary way to sell new Macs.

 

[DarkFlow]

I almost hope they update iOS to reach 11 at the same time OS X reaches 11, just to have an awesome collision/merger.

I'm almost positive that's what's going to happen at this point. I just always found it odd they just stayed at 10 for so long.

 

[linkboy]

I'd be surprised if my first computer that ran Win. 98 couldn't run Windows 8. That shit is so bare.

That does suck dude, but that's a machine from 2007, it's been 6 (SIX!) years bro. You can't possible be surprised..

[edit] i'm so glad when I got my MBP on craiglist that i went with i5 instead of core 2 duo. phew.

Derp, I read it wrong.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1325071

There's a chance it might still work. I was reading the late 2007 MacBook and my mind added Pro to the end. Its 4:15 in the morning.

 

[KtSlime]

Kinda sucks that it looks like my MBP isn't going to support Mountain Lion (its this computer)

I'll be able to run Windows 8 on this machine, but not the new OS X, anyone see something odd with that.

Other then a bad graphics card and the magsafe issue, this computer has had one hell of a run.

It's not that odd. You have to look at it from their perspectives. Right or wrong, Apple writes software to sell hardware, and Microsoft writes software to sell software. MS has the task of writing for the lowest common denominator and will do so to maximize their potential customer base. They also charge a great deal more for it.

So is apple ever going to jump to OS 11, or do they plan to just keep releasing incremental updates till the end of time?

OS X is a brand name. They will change the name when it makes sense. They will likely never move on to 11, and to think that these incremental updates are any different than Windows incremental updates would be a mistake. They keep the code and ideas that work, revise or remove what does not, and add what they think they can sell. No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. 11 is some fictitious utopic idea of a perfect operating system by Mac users that don't understand that real operating systems are built up over decades of research, study, and implementation. After 40+ years of Unix and C development we have a pretty robust understanding of the system, what works and doesn't, and optimal ways structuring code for memory handling, data transfer, etc. OS X isn't perfect, however many of the things people want Apple to work on (such as FS) aren't things that can be built of from scratch without years of planning and testing - and even such deep features likely would not warrant a large change in the overall architecture of the OS.

I honestly cannot fathom what Mountain Lion is doing that your machine cannot.

All I can guess is that perhaps the next revision after this will require way more modern hardware, and this measure is getting consumers mentally prepared to update their machines ahead of it.

Or it's an arbitrary way to sell new Macs.

Who knows, maybe it is a way to sell new Macs, maybe they don't want to maintain some 32 bit quirks in the firmware and kernel, maybe they haven't gotten around to adding all the features that will require a fully 64bit kernel, etc. ~5 years seems like a relatively good period of use for a computer and that's what they appear to be targeting as a boundary.

 

[123rl]

How does Airplay Mirroring work with a dual monitor setup? Will it mirror one screen or the other? Will it condense everything to one screen and mirror that? Will it do both and scale it to fit?

 

[Good Job Bob]

When we spoke with Growl Creator Christopher Forsythe for 5 Minutes on The Verge, he had this to say about the state of desktop notification systems:

I'm sure that in the next 2-3 years we'll see it all translated back to the desktop from the mobile devices. I'm sure it won't be as cool as Growl, but it'll be interesting.
​

Well, it looks like his timing was a bit off, as Apple added iOS' Notification Center to OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion. In our preview, we noted the parallels it had to Growl, and it seems Forsythe did too, as he took the time to respond to Notification Center on his company's blog. The long and short of it: he isn't that concerned.

Forsythe noted that Growl's approach to desktop notifications differs from Apple's by offering customization for users and developers, as well as the ability to tie into apps that come from the Mac App Store and elsewhere. Notification Center, on the other hand, doesn't seem to be customizable and access to its APIs is limited to Apple-approved apps. While Forsythe was quick to point out what he sees to be his app's advantages, he also noted the possibility to integrate it with Notification Center. We'll have to wait until later this year to find out if Growl will get sherlocked.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/18/2...-center?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter​

Barring apps not sold in the app store from using Notification Center is huge bullshit, hopefully they reverse that decision.

 

[LCfiner]

Barring apps not sold in the app store from using Notification Center is huge bullshit, hopefully they reverse that decision.

absolutely.

while most of the negative comments about Lion and ML online have been about the obvious, visual parallels to iOS, or the addition of gatekeeper, it’s the more subtle stuff like this that has me slightly concerned.

I’m no yet sounding alarms, but I don’t think this is a great way to go. My concerns so far are really over two things.

1. iCloud and notification stuff being MAS only.

2. The strict sandboxing rules that will cause some apps to lose functionality or be removed from the MAS this coming March.

 

[KtSlime]

Barring apps not sold in the app store from using Notification Center is huge bullshit, hopefully they reverse that decision.

I have not looked at the developer documents, but I think there may be some misinformation going on. On iOS notifications can come from 2 sources, the device itself (local), or a server (push). I would assume for OS X there is no limitation placed on apps that want to post a local notification directly to the notification center. However there is a limitation placed on notifications being delivered via the Push Notification Server.

If they block all notifications, I would agree that they aren't being very fair, however like iCloud integration, if the service requires servers Apple runs 24/7, then Apple has a right to not offer them for free.

LCfiner: If iCloud requires credentials that require a Developer AppStore account, and use resources paid for by Apple, why shouldn't it be MAS only?

 

[polyh3dron]

I honestly cannot fathom what Mountain Lion is doing that your machine cannot.

All I can guess is that perhaps the next revision after this will require way more modern hardware, and this measure is getting consumers mentally prepared to update their machines ahead of it.

Or it's an arbitrary way to sell new Macs.

OSX is going 64 bit only, and is dropping support for 32 bit cpus.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

It's weird how some of you write like computers are evaporating into nothing because you can't install Mountain Lion.

Your computer didn't have a 4 year life. It will have many more years. You just won't be able to tweet from any Apple app. Life is hard.

 

[mescalineeyes]

So my first day with Mountain Lion was pretty good.

It's a solid OS apart from a few quirks in Safari that seem to be due to this being a Beta.

It's lightning fast (noticeably faster than Lion) and most of the changes are for the better. Notification center icon is annoying as all hell if you ever use spotlight with the mouse.

It defo feels like a 29 dollar upgrade though... there's really nothing as mind-blowing in there, mostly just "why wasn't this done in the first place/when Lion shipped".

My favorite change might be the new default wallpaper though. Holy gorgeous batman.

 

[Utako]

OSX is going 64 bit only, and is dropping support for 32 bit cpus.

O rly, is that the distinction? I actually thought this happened with Lion.

If that is the case, carry on Apple. Upgrade your machines people, anyone can save up for something better over 6 years. Your current jalopies will probably net a couple hundred on the second-hand market as well.

 

[Jasoco]

O rly, is that the distinction? I actually thought this happened with Lion.

If that is the case, carry on Apple. Upgrade your machines people, anyone can save up for something better over 6 years. Your current jalopies will probably net a couple hundred on the second-hand market as well.

Actually, Lion went Intel only. It still supported 32 bit as long as it was a Core2Duo or higher. Mountain Lion is going 64 bit only which now drops support for early C2D that couldn't boot into a 64 bit kernel.

 

[iavi]

Lion about killed my core 2 mbp. I'm not even going to attempt Mountain Lion, which sucks. No service in Lion really warranted the jump in reqs as it is.