Wiktor
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It's pretty silly. It's not like reading a book on iPad is all that different from reading on a laptop. if you would compare laptop to e-ink screen you might have a point, but tablet to laptop? I don't see it.
Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion
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It's pretty silly. It's not like reading a book on iPad is all that different from reading on a laptop. if you would compare laptop to e-ink screen you might have a point, but tablet to laptop? I don't see it.
mescalineeyes
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Can we please stop shitting up this thread with that iBooks talk? This is a OS X thread. There is no iBooks on OS X.
Yeah and people want iBooks on OSX so it is OSX related.
Looks like Apple is giving up on supplying their own X11 and is going to just tell everyone to go download XQuartz instead for Mountain Lion:
I think this is the right decision as it's still supported by Apple via the open source community and easy to install it if needed, while regular users who don't need it will never know about it.
Looks like Apple is giving up on supplying their own X11 and is going to just tell everyone to go download XQuartz instead for Mountain Lion:
XQuartz is their own X11, just more up to date, for the past few years Apple has been running the XQuartz project, the lead developer Jeremy Huddleston is an Apple employee, and X11.app releases have been snapshots of the XQuartz project. Due to the way Apple reviews and updates their OS releases, X11.app is often out of date compared to XQuartz, and so doing it this new way is beneficial to both users of X11, and the XQuartz project as a whole (which most X11 users have to find and download anyway).
Let's not misconstrue reality, Apple is supporting X11 just as much as they have in the past, they are just going about it smarter.
Yah. I was going to say that most people who used x11 would've used xquartz anyway, but now that I think about it's probably not true.
But this way it's better, as more people will use xquartz.
Does shift+command+T still toggle the hide/show tab bar?
Vire
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⇧⌘T
Edit: I was too slow.
Vire: I'm kind of glad it looks the same as it does on iPad. I wasn't crazy about it on the iPad, but got used to it, and hoped Apple would pick one way or the other.
Vire
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I liked the previous way more because I usually just clicked on the blank space of the tab bar to create a new tab. Now you either have to do Apple+T or click the plus sign all the way on the right side.
I will say, I do like the integrated omnibar and greyed out subdirectories in the the address bar.
Yeah, I absolutely loved it and I wish I could get that back. Also, what's up with the Safari downloads drop-down list being absent in ML? Weird.
The Launchpad icon sizes and spacing is now perfect, it the huge icons were ugly and made the dock/pages icon spacing odd.
I wonder when they will implement an expose/mission control feature into iOS. It's powerful enough, it would be a further merger feature across platforms.. oh and the fading page dots for launchpad too.
Treefingers
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It's there for me.. maybe you removed the icon by accident?
Edit: Oh it disappears when the list is cleared. Neat.
Joel Was Right
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I saw a video preview that showed the Notifications pane on the right using the two-finger swipe gesture (right to left). But that is also the same gesture for browser navigation.
you only trigger notification center if you start the gesture on the far right of the trackpad
OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion Notification Center Gesture - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NboaNbOGKWw
Joel Was Right
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Ah, ok. I love gestures, I hope they're able to continue to incorporate more
Just found this improved ML galaxy wallpaper, kinda better than the original imo;
New & Improved v.s. Original
New & Improved v.s. Original
Mr. Wonderful
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We should change the thread title to
"OS X 10.8: Diet Mountain Lion"
Eh. But honestly, though, I'm more interested in the performance optimizations that we will see to Lion in the next 4 months versus the features we've seen so far in Mountain Lion.
"OS X 10.8: Diet Mountain Lion"
Eh. But honestly, though, I'm more interested in the performance optimizations that we will see to Lion in the next 4 months versus the features we've seen so far in Mountain Lion.
It's much more likely we will see greater performance optimizations in Mountain Lion than we will in Lion. And before anyone cries out "why is Apple forcing me to get an NEW OS, why won't they fix Lion before they start on ML?", might I point out that Apple has much more freedom to optimize a new OS because they are free to break compatibility. The implementation of Lion is pretty much set in stone, and while there are some code improvements and bug fixes that can occur, any performance enhancements that would require major code reorganization are strictly off limits to that team.
Switching to yearly releases could actually improve Apple's ability to optimize the OS over the next couple of years, and I'm looking forward to it.
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Vilix
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And require more and more people to update their hardware more and more often, that don't want to or didn't need to before.
Treefingers
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No one's requiring you to do shit.
We don't know how long they plan to support their hardware, but who cares? The old software still works on it, there aren't major upheavals in the technologies either: Networking protocols, hardware connectors, etc, all stay the same a LOT longer than they did in the 80's and 90's.
Don't get all huffy when Apple tries to slowly convince you to upgrade to get new features after keeping the same hardware for 5 years. While keeping your hardware as long as possible is an admirable goal in regards to the environment, it's mostly a non-issue. New Macs are HIGHLY recyclable. Apple also doesn't have the same incentive to keep old hardware compatibility as MS. MS wants to sell to as many people as possible, so they will have the lowest requirements possible. Apple is pretty much making OS X to sell Macs, if you haven't bought a Mac in 5 years your value to Apple is pretty much nil.
ex: If you spread the profit Apple has made off of your purchase over the amount of time they have to support the computer by releasing software updates, a Macbook air after 4 years time is only worth 68 cents per day. And the low end iMac/MBP only worth 82 cents per day. And this is not even factoring in the cost of production. Apple has little to no incentive to support a customer that waits that long between system purchases. Seriously, save a buck a day and keep your hardware more up to date. Less expensive than coffee.
It's not like your operating system and apps are going to suddenly expire once Mountain Lion releases. If you don't want to upgrade your software/hardware, no one is forcing you to do anything.
My dads Mac Mini is still on Tiger/10.4 for example.
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Vilix
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Yeah, there is. The time cycles in which Apple supports it's hardware and software is growing shorter and shorter. What once was supported for 5+ years will probably only be supported for 3 tops now. So, if a consumer wants to stay with Apple hardware they'll need to probably upgrade once every three years. For a computer that costs considerably more than a comparable PC it should last longer IMO. Hell, at least keep the security up to date. Even M$ keeps supporting XP with security updates. I'd like to get more for my money than just saying I own an Apple. And this is from someone who just bought an iPhone and MBP.
Yeah. With the obnoxious amout of profit that Apple makes each quarter I'm sure it wouldn't hurt them too much to squeeze out a little more time to support an older build for a few more years.
10.6 is still getting security updates. Lion will get the same.
Treefingers
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If you want to stay with Apple you can keep using the product that you bought for as long as you want (until it stops working of course). You don't need to upgrade. I guess it's a difference of expectations, I really don't expect for my computer to be supported for more than a couple of years, of course it's nice when it is but generally I'm happy with the state of my computer when I buy it.
How many years do you want Apple to support your hardware? 6 years? Too short? 8?
Would you support a situation where Apple offers free/near free software updates for 3 or 4 years, and then charges 180$ for update after that point? Is this a salvageable compromise?
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Vilix
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What would make sense to me is a compromise between added value to the consumer that doesn't make any significant cuts into Apple's profitability. Like I said, their products are considerably overpriced with not much more value over the competition than the name. Adding a few more years of support wouldn't hurt them in anyway.
I don't think that time frame is an absolute given. Over the last few versions, support for older macs was dropped for technical reasons, the latest being a complete shift to 64-bit which, quite frankly, was a long time coming. Future versions probably won't have a similar reason, so I woudn't bet against continued support of still-supported macs in the next version. Five years might be possible for those who do have full support for 64-bit.
Soulscribe
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Like the preview so far, except for the way-too-often instance of me not being able to type anything into Safari unless I restart the whole app. It just doesn't respond to keyboard input sometimes, and so I have to close the app and re-open it and then it's fine. Anybody else have this issue?
Treefingers
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I have it as well, every once in a while.
They need an iOS device (or Messages app on Mac), and they need to be messaging your Apple ID rather than your phone number to get them to show up in Messages app.
What is X11 and XQuartz?
Sorry im a bit of a novice when it comes to computing.
I'm not 100% knowledgeable myself, but from my understanding, it's the windowing service that Mac Os X uses when running a bunch of unix programs. Basically, it's an in-between app that runs so that the Unix software can draw windows in Mac Os X environment.
Back in the day, I believe it wasn't actually installed by default anyway, and had to be installed from the Xcode developers disk. Then at some point, Apple made it part of the default install. That was X11.
While that was going on, Apple would collaborate with the open source project, Xquartz. Same thing, just a more up-to-date version. In fact, I do believe, you used to just overwrite the built-in X11 with the more recent version. Then later, it split so you can have the default X11 as well as the Xquartz version.
As part of the collaboration, changes that were incorporated in the open source version were always trickled down into the default Mac OS X version, typically during security updates.
SO the fact they are not including it anymore doesn't really mean much - like I said, at one point it was an optional install on the extra Mac OS X disc anyway.
Does that kind of feature only benefit programmers?
It's a requirement for the software that, well, requires it.
I'm not a programmer, but I run some unix style software. It needs it to, I figure, draw the windows.
Soulscribe
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How do you do this? I don't see Facebook as an option in preferences.
Slurpy2k20
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5+ year is a fucking eternity these days when it comes to tech. Innovation is happening at a much faster pace, as is the pace of software development. I think 3 years is completely acceptable in terms of being able to run the lastest and greatest OS. I never understand people who have hardware that is several years old, yet feel like they have a God given right to run the lastest bleeding edge software. Supporting older hardware isn't just about money. It causes bloat, longer dev cycles, a lack of optimization, compromises, etc. Creating a cut-off lets them streamline and optimize the code that much more, without the need to support a million configurations. Part of Apple's success is being able to keep a good percentage of its active user-base current with the lastest software. I have a 12" powerbook that's still running 10.4. Guess what? It still runs perfectly, and does at least as much if not more than when it was originally purchased. I also have a 2011 MBA, and I expect it to run ML and whatever updates are released in the next 2-3 yrs. I completely understand Apple's philosophy, and honestly I don't think it affects many people negatively in the real world. I don't see how most people who are content on using hardware 5+ are the people who will have a strong desire or interest for the lastest software. From what I've read, ML should support macs going back 4 years, and that's more than sufficient.
You use jabber, basically. It's pretty simple but here's some instructions; http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/16/2803506/how-to-use-facebook-chat-in-messages-beta-for-os-x
Treefingers
Member
Buggy, it's a beta after all
ah alright. i was just wondering if it was worth getting. i'll just wait for the official release then.
Leona Lewis
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Messages was working fine for me, but now it's giving me a few problems. The most egregious one being that when I start a chat and click the red button to close the window, the conversation is gone and all that I see is "New Message". It's not like I quit the program.
The conversation reappears when I send a new message to the recipient, but then the same thing happens every time I close the window
Hope it's fixed for the final version, I loved having all my conversations saved and listed before.
The conversation reappears when I send a new message to the recipient, but then the same thing happens every time I close the window
Hope it's fixed for the final version, I loved having all my conversations saved and listed before.
Let's just say pretty much everything I use breaks in Mountain Lion right now.
Let's just wait another 4-5 months.
infiniteloop
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Developer Preview 2 is out.
Downloading it now
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