Inaho was certainly more than a wee bit...off. I still recall how flat his response was during a barrage of missiles attacking the city in the first episode or so (one would sooner think he was commenting on the weather).
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JadedWriter
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That right there is a man that would butter his toast and witness the death of his friends with the same exact facial expression. I never got around to season two though.
SpiritSlayer
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What are Mirage's chances that she becomes the main romance interest? Freyja just isn't that interesting.
Both of those were glorious.
Valvrave was like a terrible version of Infinite Ryvuius. Similar premise where it is largely a bunch of students in control. Complete with all the typical drama and shenanigans. With a large dose of Code Geass Fuckery thrown in.
Cross Ange is OMGWTFBBQ. It's basically an entire anime about rape and some how lesbianism
JadedWriter
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Freyja sings and eats apples. Mirage tore her ass down gloriously.
I would said Aldnoah here. I can't remember Valvrave till the betrayal episode lol. I guess i erased that memory from my mind lol.
Aldnoah is the worst for me as it promised so much thing with the great setting and nice premise of Super Robot vs Real Robot with tons of strategy.
The ending of that? They make all those who uses Super Robot retard and the Real Robot is more or less Super Robot with super OP pilot. The love triangle is also idiotic, the MC and rival go insanely stupid the closer to ending for second season.
OMG i am getting triggered badly here remembering Aldnoah.
Mirage is just doing all tsundere trait till the end of the world and she will clap in happiness when Hayate and Freyja enjoying their cake their together.^_^
Sounds about right. S2 is a major factor in my "average" assessment for the series, the ending also being anticlimactic.
The "real robot uses inventive tactics to beat the super robots" bits were the most interesting thing about the show, but less of a factor by S2, and yes, the love triangle was completely pointless (ending SPOILERS)
because neither Inaho nor Slaine got to be with Asseylum anyway, as she wound up getting engaged to another royal who didn't even get introduced until the last episodes
Between the minimal focus Mirage has been given with only six episodes in the series to go, in spite of giving her slightly more to say in the past two episodes, short of Freyja dying somehow...I'd say zero. Kawamori did pretty much nothing to hide the fact that he had no interest in including a love triangle in this one.
With the guy behind Valvrave also being the same one responsible for Code Geass, that's not too surprising.
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Never actually got round to watching Aldonah Zero, got turned off by the reponse after the first season hit but that type of character reminds of Ajin, except i know the MC in that an unabased sociopath and egoist and was never portrayed to be a heroic guy. In fact he was the opposite and dragged into it as he realised the current bullshit would eventually affect him. He certainly wasn't emotionless though just had radically different priorities.
JadedWriter
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Mirage will probably make those two a pineapple cake.
Man, i just started watching LoGH again here on Youtube lol and i am sad again.T_T Why is there no Space Opera anime as LoGH here.T_T I want proper Reinhard here. Not that Lelouch inferior clone.T_T
Lol, not even i am that cruel lol. Don't go full Netorare here.^_^
Lol, not even i am that cruel lol. Don't go full Netorare here.^_^
JadedWriter
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I need to get back into Legend of the Galactic Heroes, but I got side tracked badly by Hunter x Hunter. I guess I can't watch two space opera shows at the same time. So Reinhard it more cold blooded than Lelouche?
We can talk Aldnoah a lot if you want, because I think besides a few infuriating kinks (my biggest pet peeve is the time table, which makes no sense) the show is downright fantastic (both seasons).
And yes, Inao is Autistic and more specifically probably has Asperger's Syndrom which puts him in direct contrast with Slayn which is most of the time driven by his feelings and emotions.
It's only my opinion obviously, but so far Aldnoah Zero is Way better than what I've seen of Delta (just saw ep20), and for a Macross diehard fan it's kinda sad to say.
JadedWriter
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I'd prefer at least 36 eps like the original to give the story and combat some room to breathe for pacing reasons, but I think it ends at 26 eps.
Reinhard is much more competent Lelouche and especially not a douche.^_^
Reinhard actually had class and charisma without any need of wearing mask and use some sorcery to mind control his allies. With his intelligent and bravery, he fulfil his dream without the need of sacrificing the whole world with him lol.
Lol. I really don't know if i can do this here but here lets start.
Both side main character...... is just bad. There is simply zero character development over two season.
Inaho is cold and calculating character. Slain is emotional character. Asseylum is positive genki princess.
And that trait is taken from the first season till the end without any single change. Hell it even end up worst with how Inaho become worst as he is more or less Terminator in S2 with some of his brain eaten up by AI......which is never mentioned at all anymore in last 3 episode.
Slaine the emotional one...... suddenly become smart and crazily calculating that it is shocking then suddenly in last episode he throw away all his achievement just because the princess said no to him even when the last 4 episode he just mentioned that he had changed for the people of Vers? The hell?
Seylum being in the tube for almost the whole S2.... just to wake up and do even stupider things which my brain can't comprehend.
This is only the character here. Not yet the whole battle between Super Robot vs Real Robot with tactics.
I would even dare to said that the battle is never about tactics but more about stupidity vs people who actually uses his brain.
All those super robot users just go straight and dies like a jobber. There is simply no tense moment as we all know that Inaho is going to kick their ass for how incompetent the Vers pilot is.
Not to mention near the last of S2, the whole Real Robot is more or less Super Robot when their normal bullet is now able to pierce all Super Robot defence lol. i mean, the show even break its own rule.T_T
I can keep talking about how bad A/Z here but i sure as hell prefer Delta here vs that trainwreck of a show called A/Z.
GrandHarrier
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You're just afraid of letting another space bromance supplant Basara x Gamlin. LoGH is Space Bromance: The Anime.
ThatChairMan
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"There is only one Reinhard von Lohengramm, and there is only one man whose name will be remembered for killing him. Who wants to be that man?"
Literally the best.
I aim to be the supreme ruler... and to reach that goal, I have a policy of my own. It is to fight my own battles. That's the difference between myself and the noblemen I've fought and defeated. That's also the reason why the soldiers follow me.
This is what make Reinhard, Mein Kaiser.^_^ He never stray away from battlefield. Hell, he look so much more alive in battlefield than behind the office here.T_T
LoGH is indeed the best bromance shows which in the end still give us a very nice shipping end.^_^ Mein KAISERIN.^_^
JadedWriter
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Where everybody looks like Nazi's from the Dune universe. I'll get back to it at some point.
Wut. How can any character from LoGH looks like Nazi?O_O
JadedWriter
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Lol cause those guys look perfect. Perfect hair, perfect posture, perfect clothing.
Lol, most if not all anime is more or less the same though.^_^
GrandHarrier
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The Empire is pretty much a Prussian looking aristocracy. The first Kaiser was focused on perfect genetics. The implication is there.
JadedWriter
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When it's not just me seeing something then there must be some truth to it.
GrandHarrier
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It's not exactly hidden. The eugenics part is laid out in the first chapter of the book the series is based on, just explained a bit later on in the anime.
I see the Goldenbaum Empire closer to Holy Roman Empire lol. Their culture is more or less the same. It is nobility in space.^~^
The genetics policy does indeed sound a lot like Nazi. However, in the anime isn't the genetic policy had been retracted? As we see Oberstein is allowed to alive?
Major Aldnoah spoilers ahead... /sorry for block of text and OOT, won't keep it up 
But as per character development...
Inao can't develop to a certain extent. He is an obvious Asperger. Even then, I would say that he at least matures a bit, to the point of him being able to express his feelings (via computer interface), and taking responsibility of a squad instead of doing the lone wolf thing.
Inao isn't infallible either, he almost gets his entire platoon wiped out in S2 because he simply could not foresee that Knights would start changing their tactics (more on that later, it is a major point that Knights rely on their "Aldnoah / God given rights and powers which makes them superior to all, and have a super strong sense of individuality) so drastically and start working together and using their abilities in a synergistic way.
As per the AI taking over Inao's brain .. are you sure you watched the series till the end?
It takes a major turn at episode 10 of S2 (3rd before end) with Inao being unconscious due to his wounds and the Brain interface problem which allows the AI to discuss more "openly" to Asseylum. During the final fight between Inao and Slayne, his eye interface finally overloads and leaves him without the extra abilities, and the removal of said interface is addressed at the epilogue.
But the way I see it, Inao is a great character. He doesn't whine, he doesn't rely on being a "chosen one" or mutant with supernatural powers, he is just smart and using his brain and his knowledge of physics to win. Contrarily to most Mech show, his Robot is actually the leat powerful and relies on versatility and extra agility.
If anything, Slayne is very good at lying, both to others, and to himself.
I found Lemrina to be far more annoying actually.
Now I found that the ending really redeemed Seylum in fact. they could have gone for the happy ending to please the fans, but they went for a more realistic and down to Earth conclusion: compromises have to be made, you can't have everything you want, it's all part of growing up. Even losing your "one true love" if it's in the interest of peace.
As per no "tense" moment, you must have missed the dozens of deaths (not counting the Orbital Fortress falls) in combat. Even Inao is hardly untouchable: He sacrifices his Mech in his second fight to score the kill, he was about to be killed in his third fight when Slayne arrived to knock the projectile off course just in time, and he would again have been killed by Femieanne when she goes berserk without the timely intervention of the Deucalion, and we all know what happens at the end of S1, right?
In S2 again, ep 8, Inao's entire squad is saved at the last moment by the Deucalion which takes some major damage. in the process
I'm not even sure it qualifies as a Macross series at all in fact, and saying that as a huge Macross fan is sad :/
That is actually not true, and you even admit it yourself later in your post.
But as per character development...
Inao can't develop to a certain extent. He is an obvious Asperger. Even then, I would say that he at least matures a bit, to the point of him being able to express his feelings (via computer interface), and taking responsibility of a squad instead of doing the lone wolf thing.
Asseylum is generally naive and spoiled, very unaware of the realities and struggles of the "real" people out there, which is partly because Aldnoah is about contrasts and dualities. She is the opposite of Rayet Areash, just like Slayne is the opposite of Inao.
Inao isn't infallible either, he almost gets his entire platoon wiped out in S2 because he simply could not foresee that Knights would start changing their tactics (more on that later, it is a major point that Knights rely on their "Aldnoah / God given rights and powers which makes them superior to all, and have a super strong sense of individuality) so drastically and start working together and using their abilities in a synergistic way.
As per the AI taking over Inao's brain .. are you sure you watched the series till the end?
It takes a major turn at episode 10 of S2 (3rd before end) with Inao being unconscious due to his wounds and the Brain interface problem which allows the AI to discuss more "openly" to Asseylum. During the final fight between Inao and Slayne, his eye interface finally overloads and leaves him without the extra abilities, and the removal of said interface is addressed at the epilogue.
But the way I see it, Inao is a great character. He doesn't whine, he doesn't rely on being a "chosen one" or mutant with supernatural powers, he is just smart and using his brain and his knowledge of physics to win. Contrarily to most Mech show, his Robot is actually the leat powerful and relies on versatility and extra agility.
Slayne has been traumatized by years of abuse at the hands of the Martians, but while a slave he has also been trained as a skilled pilot. I don't see him "suddenly" becoming smart, he was just not in a position of using his skills and intelligence beforehand. Arriving in a position of power in the Martian nobility allowed him to show that side of him is all. I didn't see any contradiction in his character at the end, he always hated the hierarchic system that underneath it all was making it impossible for him to ever dream of being with the person he had been obsessed with for all these years (Asseylum), so in fact you can see three layers in the character: He plays an ambitious and opportunistic Knight using a lucky break to rise in the Martian Nobility, while underneath trying to achieve power within said nobility with the supposedly noble goal of overthrowing the Aldnoah caste system where a very few have everything based on inherited rights while the majority of the people suffers(what Harklight is all about) but underneath it all it's actually all about Asseylum. When -that- crumbles, everything is lost.
If anything, Slayne is very good at lying, both to others, and to himself.
Can't say I'm a big fan of Seylum myself, but she has the "princess" role, and as an idealized and unobtainable idealist she fits the bill for both antagonists.
I found Lemrina to be far more annoying actually.
Now I found that the ending really redeemed Seylum in fact. they could have gone for the happy ending to please the fans, but they went for a more realistic and down to Earth conclusion: compromises have to be made, you can't have everything you want, it's all part of growing up. Even losing your "one true love" if it's in the interest of peace.
That's the thing. These knights have never known defeat before (one knight has disappeared during Heavens Fall) , and they don't think it's even possible. That breeds sloppiness and overconfidence. Vers pilots are not incompetent per se, they are just imbued of a feeling of invincibility -which is technically correct in many cases-, which also stemmed from decades of being taught they were from a race naturally superior to humans and with a technology that was practically god given, making them "chosen".
As per no "tense" moment, you must have missed the dozens of deaths (not counting the Orbital Fortress falls) in combat. Even Inao is hardly untouchable: He sacrifices his Mech in his second fight to score the kill, he was about to be killed in his third fight when Slayne arrived to knock the projectile off course just in time, and he would again have been killed by Femieanne when she goes berserk without the timely intervention of the Deucalion, and we all know what happens at the end of S1, right?
In S2 again, ep 8, Inao's entire squad is saved at the last moment by the Deucalion which takes some major damage. in the process
I'm not quite sure what you are referring to here, but I'll leave it at that: You are obviously free to feel how you will about Aldnoah (tbh it doesn't look like you really paid attention though), but so far Macross Delta is pretty bad, at least for me.
I'm not even sure it qualifies as a Macross series at all in fact, and saying that as a huge Macross fan is sad :/
This is probably the cutest post in here.
The Sum of Zero
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U w0t m8?
JadedWriter
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It's always scary to find out a person can make a weirder post than me.
Second album is up available to preorder now: Walkure Trap
The Sum of Zero
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It's truly terrifying.
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They weren't subtle they were hitting you over the face of it. The names the use of Kaiser (the german term for emperor) plenty prussian, austro-hungarian and nazi german alusions and purposeful counterparts. The whole books/show are filled with historical allusions. It's basically the entire point of the story. The author was having a discussion with the viewer about their own ideas and interpretation of historical idelogies, politics and views on war. Wang is often the mouthpiece for a lot of this.
JadedWriter
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Pffft they're literally fucking space nazi's even Zeon couldn't accomplish that.
Major Aldnoah spoilers ahead... /sorry for block of text and OOT, won't keep it up
The problem with Inaho and his miniscule character devs is it end up with nothing on the end result.
U mention, Inaho can't develop to a certain extent. That makes him totally uninteresting. You said he grow mature but i don't really see that point as you even mention, for him to even able express his feelings, he need the GOAT Eye not to mentioned him taking responsibility of his squad in one of the battle with the knights end up him controlling the whole squad mechs to manually target the kataphracts by himself. I don't think that is anything other than lone wolf.
I still remember many keep saying that Aldnoah is shows showing opposites between one sides and one personality. The problem is, they do it so badly on showing the positive of one sides and the cons of one sides. They simply shows that Inaho sides is the correct one, Slaine is the bad one. Seylum is the good one, Rayet is the bad one. There is no use of showing opposites personality if you are going to end up pushing one sides so hard while making the other sides so bad.
But, Seylum for me is not only naive but many of her moves is simply illogical. Not to forget her treatment in S2 which easily kills the chance of her to even developed. While Rayet suddenly after S1 just forget all her hatred and decided to join the EF force. Her character development is not even shown.
The AI problem had been mentioned by Inaho himself that if he overused the Eye more, the AI is going to eat up parts of his brain. Which funnily like u said, never mentioned again as the show simply forget that plot especially the closer to the end where Inaho even overload the Eye even more by using the calculation to buff all his ally mecha performance which again is Ex Machina again lol. It is like the Eye system is even more Godlike vs All those Kataphract. And even till the end, other than some eye sprain, Inaho never really had any setback lol.
I really can not agree that Inaho is in anyway a great character. The fact that he doesn't whine does not make him any good character. There is many other mecha shows which also don't had supernatural power and yet the pilot can be a great character.
The fact that Inaho can be so overpowered just show how incompetence the other side rather than how good Inaho is. I mean, Inaho so called least powerful suit still easily damage many Kataphract so i don't see how u can said that. If a single sniper shot from the sky/space can destroy a single kataphract, i don't see what so special from those so called Super Robot.
Which is why i said the show really had a great times making the other sides so incompetent. Slaine himself mentioned to Seylum during S2 when she woke up that he right now is that he is no longer a citizen of Vers and now he had the goal to overthrow the Vers system. He had Harklight in his sides, A strong space fortress, Lemrina who also had Aldnoah activation gift, and suddenly he just throw it all in the final battle really makes me scratch my head as it is just anti climatic.
Seylum moves in the ending for me is what ruined her even more than before. She wanted to makes a change in Vers....... and then he chooses to married with one of the count who she just met...... i mean what? She don't even know which sides this new count is? Is the count going to support her views? Can the count be trusted?
Hell, her last move in ending which shows her giving the Aldnoah technology to the Earth is even worst as we had been shown that in EF body there is a lot corrupt member too. Why are Seylum giving up the only trump card they had in negotiation moves? it is just not logical at all.
Lemrina for me is the opposites. She knows how to play the game. Hell, even before Slaine stupid charge in final episode, she even told Slaine that he can uses her to even the odd vs Seylum but of course thanks to the idiot Slaine, he don't follow that advice and did the worst. She knew what is possible and what is the more logical move. She for me is the most wasted character in the show.
The knights had been falling like flies from S1. I really never feel the tense moment here except maybe S1 final battle here. Most of the battle had been always going under his calculation as all the kataphract only had 1 pattern which end making them even weaker vs many more versatile mechs with pilot who actually uses their brain.
U mentioned the 3 knight drop with their space castle lol. Castle drop which shown in the first episode should eliminate all the enemy in close proximity which don't even happen lol.
Not to mentioned, the 3 knights who end up killed as they again do stupid moves like moving away from their great position which is close to the orbital fortress only to march to Plain region where they are killed like jobbers.
Well, in the end. It is all my opinion of course. And if u love A/Z more that is also ur choice lol. It is just me who are quite shocked on how some can love A/Z more than Delta here.
Sorry for the rambling guys. No more A/Z here i promise.^_^
The Nazi never uses Kaiser though? The show is more or less talking about corrupt democracy vs Just Dictatorship. It is actually really interesting shows where each ideology is mentioned again and again which pros they had and which cons they had. Not to mention, Reinhard also keep mentioning how he actually wanted people with power to control the Empire rather than just following his bloodline. Which is what makes him soo Great. MEIN KEISER!!!
GrandHarrier
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Ain't got shit on Miracle Yang.
Miracle Yang? I thought u saying Bloody Yang? ^~^
Mein Keiser is the one and only who success in this whole series lol. Conquer the world, had waifu, had tons of talented commander following him and billions of people love him. What else u can said to him lol.^~^
All about Walkure this time.^_^ Kanakana is their manager lol.
The shota prince is dieing nooooo.T_T Damn u glass otoko.T_T
And it seems some prediction is correct. Mikumo is not normal human. Specifically engineered human with fold receptor planted into her. I had a bad feeling that with how she is going edgy now and Song of Star show up, she is really going to be the big bad protoculture.T_T Nooo Kumokumo.T_T
The shota prince is dieing nooooo.T_T Damn u glass otoko.T_T
And it seems some prediction is correct. Mikumo is not normal human. Specifically engineered human with fold receptor planted into her. I had a bad feeling that with how she is going edgy now and Song of Star show up, she is really going to be the big bad protoculture.T_T Nooo Kumokumo.T_T
ThatChairMan
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That was a fun episode, seeing Walkure's history. Not sure about its placement so late, but seeing how the shift from a more conventional militarized beginning to their more idol-like appearances.
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And looks like next week we get the surprise winner of the triangle.
That Messer introduction ;_;
And looks like next week we get the surprise winner of the triangle.
Kumokumo is the best wakfu lol.^_^..........second only to Kanakana.^^
davidwhangchoi
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Mirage wins #1 =)
Lol, even her confession is just a Mirage lol. It will never be mentioned again.^_^
Messer-kunnnn.T_T I am still in pain here.T_T
davidwhangchoi
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That was pretty witty =)
oh snap!
for some strange reason i feel like he's coming back...i'm still in delusional denial
U want Messer to come back as Zombie lol?^_^
davidwhangchoi
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Lololol. I would say movie version had much higher chance for Messer-kun lol.^_^
Good ep. interesting to see Walkure's past. Love that Kumo-Kumos introduction was just her singing and sparkling like "i'm just gonna cut to the chase and show you how perfect i am"
bring back the bun hair girl imho
#1 in the losers maybe.
bring back the bun hair girl imho
#1 in the losers maybe.
JadedWriter
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Heinz is dying. Somebody should sue Roid for breaking child labor laws. Claire Puddle is a straight up Gundam name. Is there an exact reason why the Jamming Birds name never stuck? Look at Mikumo glisten and shine like she's made out of fucking Life Fibers. I'm sorry Reina, but you guys aren't better than Sheryl or Sharon Apple. You don't bring the sexual heat like Sheryl and you don't mind rape people like Sharon. So what the fuck is Mikumo a clone of? Wasn't Frontier hype as fuck by this point? Where's the fucking hype?
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