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[Sirpopopop]

Getting in to Harvard and Yale because of family connections (as do many people still to this day, although I think one of them may have overturned the favortism thing) isn't going to grant a dumb person a brain whereby he miraculously write and think to the necessary extent needed to succeed at those schools...

that's like saying Obama and Keyes education at Harvard can be attributed to their race...

maybe their acceptance into Harvard can, but unless they've been pulling a massive scheme under everyone's eyes, I doubt a call from anyone's daddy is going to turn a crap essay or assignment into something the professor deems "passing"...

how anybody who can seriously be labeled "dumb" or "stupid" in terms of intellectual ability can get through Harvard and Yale is beyond me...

Do you know anyone from Ivy League schools? Do you know anyone from Ivy League caliber of schools (Think Williams,Amherst,Swarthmore,Duke,Vanderbilt,etc.)?

Well... I do, and boy... some of them are fucking idiots.

Also, getting through Yale with a C average (which is what Bush did) is not hard. It is a well known fact that Ivy League schools do whatever it takes to make sure that their students don't fail out. After all, it reflects poorly on the university if they do.

With regards to Bush's time at Harvard - There was a story from one of his professors at Harvard who said that Bush was poor student.

 

[Alcibiades]

Well yeah I know a friend of mine goes to Princeton, my cousin goes to MIT, and another friend goes to Stanford...

the stories I hear don't seem to follow this idea that "they'll make sure even dummies pass", but I'll ask them about it next time I talk with them...

 

[Lemurnator]

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[Alcibiades]

With regards to Bush's time at Harvard - There was a story from one of his professors at Harvard who said that Bush was poor student.

so one professor calls him a poor student, so what?

does he talk about Bush's intelligence...

also, yeah, I know a couple of people from my HS that went to these type of schools that are total idiots, but they sure aren't dumb or stupid, they're just idiots...

 

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[Tritroid]

This thread needs to be renamed GAF AM CRYING.

 

[XMonkey]

He was compared to Hilter WAY before this election.

Huh? Didn't I say they were happening again?

Anyways, the people comparing him to Hitler are out of line. It's a completely immature response; people don't advance their cause by making outrageous comparisons like that.

 

[Kon Tiki]

Huh? Didn't I say they were happening again?

Anyways, the people comparing him to Hitler are out of line. It's a completely immature response; people don't advance their cause by making outrageous comparisons like that.

BUSH. RAN. AN. ADVERTISEMENT. COMPARING. BUSH. TO. HILTER.

 

[Sirpopopop]

You know what's stupid? People blaming Bush, Karl Rove, the media, the electoral system, people slashing the tires of Democratic vote registrants, and everyone except the Democratic Party for Bush's victory. The fault lies in the party's failure to read correctly the issues that voters cared about this time around -- and when they did read them, they assumed incorrectly that the majority of voters were sick of Bush and didn't want to give him a chance to work on the issues on his second term.

In short, the Democrats needed a better (or simpler) package to present to voters. I think Gore had the same problem, and I'm more than happy with giving props to the Bush election campaign for successfully pulling off their strategy. If the Democrats want to advance in 2006 and 2008, it has to do more than appeal towards the exasperated part of the US population.

Blaming Karl Rove? Hardly...

How can you blame someone for doing their job, and doing it well?

'Blame' is a term you use when someone screws up. That's the connotation it holds.

It's one thing to say the Democrats need a better strategy, but it's another thing to make that strategy impervious to assault from the likes of Mr.Rove.

Now, onto the rest of your post ... how are democrats supposed to read stances on issues? If they read it as, "the voters want to give Bush a second chance", then they might as well throw in the fucking towel. They are the opposing party and they need to promise to bring palpable change.

You are fucking kidding yourself if you don't think Kerry's character flaws played a major part in this election. The issues did play a part, but in the end Kerry could not credibly present his views without the majority of the public thinking in their head, "Flip Flopper" and "Swift Boats". That sunk him on terrorism, and ultimately sunk him in the end.

 

[XMonkey]

BUSH. RAN. AN. ADVERTISEMENT. COMPARING. BUSH. TO. HILTER.

Calm down there, pal. I don't have time to catch everything that happens in the political world, got a link or something?

 

[GG-Duo]

Calm down there, pal. I don't have time to catch everything that happens in the political world, got a link or something?

Basically it went like this.
MoveOn.org had a contest where you can submit videos
In one of the submitted videos, a contestant compared Bush to Hitler.
Spinsters jumped on it and said "OMG MOVEON SAYS BUSH IS HITLER"
which eventually turned into "OMG LIBERALS SAYS BUSH IS HITLER"
then the Republicans ran a commerical that was a splice of a lot different clips - including an Al Gore speech, Howard Dean, and also a second of that MoveOn.org contest video.

 

[videogamer]

Calm down there, pal. I don't have time to catch everything that happens in the political world, got a link or something?

That post pretty much reflects UCI's lack of any true activist culture.

 

[XMonkey]

That post pretty much reflects UCI's lack of any true activist culture.

What the hell? That came pretty much outta nowhere, eggplant. My going to UCI really has nothing to do with not knowing about everything that goes on in the political world (especially from moveon.org, which I have maybe only visited a few times.).

Thank you, GG-Duo.

 

[Kon Tiki]

here.

 

[Sirpopopop]

so one professor calls him a poor student, so what?

does he talk about Bush's intelligence...

also, yeah, I know a couple of people from my HS that went to these type of schools that are total idiots, but they sure aren't dumb or stupid, they're just idiots...

Yes, he talked about intelligence. Not a favorable remark.

Also, how can you be an idiot with being dumb or stupid?

id·i·ot Audio pronunciation of "idiot" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-t)
n.

1. A foolish or stupid person.
2. A person of profound mental retardation having a mental age below three years and generally being unable to learn connected speech or guard against common dangers. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.

Taken from the dictionary.

Perhaps the clearest evidence of the extent to which the bargain came to dominate undergraduate education was the inflation of grades that accompanied the rise of the new professoriate. At Harvard in 1978, 78 percent of the student body made it onto the dean's list, compared with 20 percent in the 1920s and 26 percent in the 1930s. The University of Michigan's 1974-75 freshman class had the weakest SAT scores in decades but was given the highest grade point average ever. In 1975, 70 percent of the grades at Princeton were As or B's. At Stanford, the average grade was A-.

"A lenient grader," observed author Lansing Lamont, "could draw students to his course like sparrows to a feeder."

Typical is the story of the Harvard senior who thanked his history professor for explaining World War I, saying, "I've always wondered why people kept talking about a Second World War.

A slightly different variant of the new ideology can be seen in Brown University's hot New Curriculum. More aptly, it is a non-curriculum. When it was introduced in the late 1960s, it abolished all course requirements and most of the other traditional standards of academia as well. The grade "D" was summarily dropped. But that hardly mattered because Brown students could take any number of courses pass/fail. And if by chance they did fail, that also did not really matter. Under the new dispensation, failures were not recorded on transcripts. ("I regard recording [failures] for the external world both superfluous and intimidating, or punishing, Brown dean explained.) A Brown student could also fail as many as four courses and still graduate - with the equivalent of seven semesters of work at most schools.

There are probably better quotes out there which describe the system at Ivies. However, this fits my argument just fine. My point is that once you are in the school, they'll make sure you make them look good.

http://www.libertyhaven.com/politic...homeschoolingorchildren/collegesfailing.shtml

 

[videogamer]

What the hell? That came pretty much outta nowhere, eggplant. My going to UCI really has nothing to do with not knowing about everything that goes on in the political world (especially from moveon.org, which I have maybe only visited a few times.).

Thank you, GG-Duo.

Heh it looks like you need to calm down. Just making a statement on how my school is so lame. It must be one of the most politically inactive UCs.

 

[XMonkey]

You go to UCI, too?

I would sorta agree with you on the politically inactive UC bit (If you're for Kerry that is, since there is some good republican support here it's just not totally put out there). But, a lot of that is the product of where our school is. Irvine isn't exactly the most liberal of cities that have UCs and it certainly doesn't compare to UCLA or UCB.

 

[videogamer]

You go to UCI, too?

I would sorta agree with you on the politically inactive UC bit (If you're for Kerry that is, since there is some good republican support here it's just not totally put out there). But, a lot of that is the product of where our school is. Irvine isn't exactly the most liberal of cities that have UCs and it certainly doesn't compare to UCLA or UCB.

Well, for me, support for Kerry seemed to be stronger, esp since the greater Irvine HQ was right across the street. A visit to the University center reflect this also. Irvine itself is relatively liberal compared to other south OC cities. It's city government has been in the Democrats' hands for quite some time. Of course, only Loretta Sanchez' area is the only clear Democratic area in the county. I don't know how those people could have voted for that Dornan monster previously.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

so one professor calls him a poor student, so what?

does he talk about Bush's intelligence...

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For crissakes, he thought people could CRY lacerates.

 

[alejob]

Well atleast we get to LOL @ all the stupid things he says for 4 more years.

 

[belgurdo]

Well atleast we get to LOL @ all the stupid things he says for 4 more years.

Provided we don't all die in World War III first

 

[Sp3eD]

I just think it is sad that American's will need another large scale terrorist attack with 1000's dying in order to finally see that we shouldn't fuck around with other countries....

and I have no doubt it is coming.....

 

[enjoy bell woods]

I SURE HOPE HE'S AS TOUGH ON TERRORISM AS HIS SUPPORTERS SAY HE IS. I WOULDN'T LIKE TO FIND OUT OTHERWISE, BEING THAT I'M IN TEXAS AND ALL.

 

[Nerevar]

so one professor calls him a poor student, so what?

does he talk about Bush's intelligence...

I went to Duke. I roomed with a guy who was part of the 5% who get in after they've given out all the financial aid so they only select people who can pay for it. He was the biggest fucking idiot I've ever met at my life. And he graduated last semester. Face it, everyone passes at the major schools. The quality of the degree you get is entirely up to how hard you pursue it.

 

[videogamer]

I just think it is sad that American's will need another large scale terrorist attack with 1000's dying in order to finally see that we shouldn't fuck around with other countries....

and I have no doubt it is coming.....

Ha! That would just make people more fearful of terrorist attacks and go to the party that is supposedly superior in defense. Then the Republicans will have even more power to set their agenda.

 

[Outdoor Miner]

Ha! That would just make people more fearful of terrorist attacks and go to the party that is supposedly superior in defense. Then the Republicans will have even more power to set their agenda.

Twisted isn't it?

 

[videogamer]

Twisted isn't it?

So, going to school today, I thought about that. I'm the kind of person who thinks terror attacks are going to happen anyways, regardless of who runs the country. So, if the Democrats are going to win, we are going to need a low amount of terrorism. However, if the terror attacks are going to happen anyways, the best time for them to occur is after the election of a Democratic president, but before the inaugeration.

This is absolutely twisted.

 

[Azih]

I think repubs can play the 9/11 card to full effect for at least another election.

 

[videogamer]

I think repubs can play the 9/11 card to full effect for at least another election.

How long did the Republicans wave the bloody red shirt after the Civil War? Yikes. Talk about clinging to the past.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

the funny thing is 9/11 happened in NYC and repubs and southereners ad midwesteners hijacked it for their own purposes. karl rove is a fucking genius.

 

[SteveMeister]

Mad props indeed.

 

[AirBrian]

I'm sure you're trying to make a statement or whatever, but having an avatar stating to assassinate the President is really fucking ignorant.

Good luck to you if the Secret Service sees that.

 

[AniHawk]

the funny thing is 9/11 happened in NYC and repubs and southereners ad midwesteners hijacked it for their own purposes. karl rove is a fucking genius.

Yeah really. All the democratic states/districts, the ones with huge cities (Massachusetts, California, New York, DC, etc), are the ones that are more likely to be attacked, yet the Midwest act like they know best for people in the line of danger.

 

[BruceWayne]

Say what u want about president but yesterday he has defeated Osama bin Laden, Michael Moore, Yassir Arafat, George Soros, the Hollywood Left, MTV, MoveOn, Dan Rather, Peter Jennings, Tom Brokaw, Mark Halperin, CBS News, 60 Minutes, ABC News, NBC News, MSNBC, CNN, NPR, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Time, Exit Polls, The Professoriate, Conventional Wisdom, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Howard Dean, Terry McAuliffe, Tom Daschle, Bruce Springsteen, Jon Bon Jovi, Russell Simmons, Rock the Vote, Rap the Vote, Eminem, Martin Sheen, Rob Reiner, MeatHead, Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins, Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, Robert Redford, Barbra Streisand, Cher, Rosie O'Donnell, Larry O'Donnell, Cameron Diaz, Whoopi Goldberg, Al Franken, Air America, Chris Matthews, George Step-In-A-Lot-Of-It, Jacques Chirac, Kofi Annan, Gerhardt Schroeder, John Edwards, Nuance and John Kerry.

 

[Late Stage Marxist]

Yeah mad props to douche.