I don't really care about who said this and who said that. I just want to know if the animation in the burger king video is a placeholder from an earlier build. I saw the Shaun Alexander video where he runs over the goal line and that looked like all new animation. I'm getting confused over which version of Madden 06 360 will be the one I see in motion!
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Reilly said:
:lol
It's not like nathkenn has any control over this situation.
I certainly couldn't take it, I admit that...
Not that it's really the same thing, but working in IT has me used to receiving no praise. People don't care about your group unless something is wrong...and when that happens, you can NEVER fix it fast enough. Lots of bitching all the time. Like I said, it's a bit different...but still...
However, it doesn't take massive budgets and teams to produce some amazing results in terms of visuals (which is what we are discussing here). Wreckless 1 and 2 were developed by less than ten people, if I recall. A VERY small group indeed. Yet, those games are easily among the most impressive the XBOX has ever seen. Wreckless was completed in a really short time frame as well...
Archaix said:If nathkenn weren't so full of shit, then the expectations and reactions wouldn't be near what they are. Everybody assumed that video was just a target and wishful thinking, and he comes in and says it's going to look so much better and this and that.
It looks(barely) better than the Xbox version. That's pretty much what could have been expected if nobody came around and said how great it would look. People should have known better, but they believe the bullshit, so this is what you get. And I'm not above piling on
Also, why the fuck are they so shiny?!
Man you guys are harsh. Dman you Donovan McNabb and your real-life shiny uniform.
:lol nice........I'm gonna wait to see what the finished product looks like. If it does look like crap however I'll most likely not be getting an Xbox 360 afterall. With similar animations and gameplay I can hold out one more year. Nice stadium though the lighting/shadowing on the top near the lights is very impressive hopefully a sign of things to come next gen.rastex said:
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
I hate to try to be positive, but there still is a month of development left. That is if the game is due out in November. Might be a month and a half, right?
So, I wouldn't be so quick to jump on some "in-development" screenshots.
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But we all know that GAF hates EA, so have at it boys.
So, I wouldn't be so quick to jump on some "in-development" screenshots.
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But we all know that GAF hates EA, so have at it boys.
bdoughty said:
I only meant barely as compared to the expectations that were built up(and yes, that is directly nathkenn's fault. He's the one that said it would look better), not as though it isn't noticably better. Hell, some people are saying it looks worse that the current gen games. I disagree, but it's obviously not the jump that people were foolish enough to believe in.
Ninja Scooter said:
And that's what I mean when I talk about anti-social rejects. You're such a fucking nerd that you automatically correlate "shitty screenshots" with "bashing". Seriously, how many people would "bash" these screenshots that you know that are part of normal human society? NOBODY. They're gonna say "that looks FUCKING amazing!" Now, there's obviously room to have some fun and get some jabs in, but everything here including your reply to me just has a mean spirit about it. It's just mean. And games are supposed to be about FUN, we PLAY them.
Frankly, the teaser trailer wasn't that impressive aside from a few choice shots that received special attention. And people got excited about the intensity and editing of that teaser but aren't well-versed enough to look at the graphics themselves. Of course that's the entire point of editing to dazzle and all of that. But looking at the visuals themselves, the game probably DOES look better (again aside from a few shots such as the 'head crunch' which I know received special attention).
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
DopeyFish said:
So maybe 2 months of development left? And people are thinking this is final?
Father_Brain
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:lol "Bullshot" indeed.
How about people wait until the final version is out and we have good high res movies and pics to judge it off of instead of stating doom and gloom over a few pics...no,that makes too much sense
The stadium shot screams next gen to me,you could fool some people into believing it's a real pic if you kept the bottom part of the crowd out of the pic.
Any idea if the engine relies on shared code with the other versions or is this all new? Is there any shared data (besides knowledge, of course 
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How long have you guys had access to full blown dev kits?
Another thing to remember... with systems like PS2 and Dreamcast, the machines launched in Japan first and completed kits were available to the US teams well before launch.
)?How long have you guys had access to full blown dev kits?
Another thing to remember... with systems like PS2 and Dreamcast, the machines launched in Japan first and completed kits were available to the US teams well before launch.
dskillzhtown said:
The game is -most likely- content complete. They might add a couple more shaders/fix the textures (given they have textures displayed at a low res from a high res source). But i'm not quite sure there is enough time. There might be some more changes to the look, there might not. Only time will tell.
dark10x said:
Bunkasha was part of that "etc" in my list. I mean, they do have one of the top graphics coders in the world working for them. And look at what happened with Wreckless 2, it looked barely better and in some instances worse than the original, and that's 3 years later!
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rastex said:
obviously, we are regular gamers, this is a gaming forum. Our standards are different. Go to some audiophile forum and they might tell you that the sound quality on a set of speakers you might like is shitty. Go to a home theatre forum and they will tell you the transfer on a DVD you might enjoy is poor. Go to a car enthusiast forum and they might say the car you drive every day has crap handling. I could care less what any body in "normal human society", whateve the fuck that is, has to say, i have my own opinion. Sure we play games, but when a game is being anticipated SOLELY for its graphics, like Madden 360, and screens that are released that are unimpressive, its going to cause a stir. If i was "mean spirited" to you or Nathan, i apologize, i don't think i was, and nothing was certainly meant to be taken personally, but i was just stating my opinion.
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What does that have to do with the tea in China. People have a right to their opinions regardless of their career paths.rastex said:
Don't take this the wrong way but cry me a fucking river. You put this on yourself by making the claims you were boasting earlier. I've been working in the industry for over 11 years and you would never catch me making claims about any project I'm working on at the time, positive or negative. I would never want to open myself up for ridicule or harsh criticisms because I honestly just don't care what others think.nathkenn said:
I'll take "nerd" as a compliment, thanksyodathesoda said:
. BTW, you won't be saying jackshit this November. No maybes about it.dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
DopeyFish said:
Yeah, we will see. I can't afford a 360 anyway, lol.
XBOX version
from the looks of it they upped the polygon count and added new lighting...
Crowd certainly look better but you can see the PS2 game in it if you get what I mean...
this is what I expected for a first attempt(rushed one a that), things will get better and im sure Madden 07 will look lot closer to EA's "vision".
not going to look good when the first Madden PS3 title looks considerable better.
from the looks of it they upped the polygon count and added new lighting...
Crowd certainly look better but you can see the PS2 game in it if you get what I mean...
this is what I expected for a first attempt(rushed one a that), things will get better and im sure Madden 07 will look lot closer to EA's "vision".
not going to look good when the first Madden PS3 title looks considerable better.
Let's take it easy on nathkenn. He kinda gave us a bit of blue balls 
but it's still good to have a dev on-board. And the first set of shots look like the PC build due to the 4:3 aspect ratio. Cut him some slack, he only did the stadiums. At least now there's someone who can get feedback on at least one aspect of the game. I mean, with the borg...I mean, EA buying exclusivity, this is the only game in town. We'll need someone on the inside who can slay the beast...I mean, help keep the product from slipping into complete mediocrity. 
PEACE.
but it's still good to have a dev on-board. And the first set of shots look like the PC build due to the 4:3 aspect ratio. Cut him some slack, he only did the stadiums. At least now there's someone who can get feedback on at least one aspect of the game. I mean, with the borg...I mean, EA buying exclusivity, this is the only game in town. We'll need someone on the inside who can slay the beast...I mean, help keep the product from slipping into complete mediocrity. PEACE.nathkenn said:
Yea I understand. Rare to find any EA employee that posts on a forum where people know what they do. I never saw one when I was over at Operation Sports but the Visual Concepts guys and other Devs/Publishers were all over the place. Was shocked when they showed up on the OS forums to give an early hint about MVP 2006 (College baseball) before it was announced. I think EA would help tone down some of the anger on gaming boards toward them if they were more active in the communities. I think it is a big reason VC/2Kgames garners alot of support in the sports gaming communities.
So in a round about way I am saying I appreciate your posts here.
Ninja Scooter said:
The funny (and possibly ironic) thing about your comparisons to those other forums is that they're all anti-social fucking reject nerds as well! "hold yourself to a higher standard"? Like, do you seriously believe the bullshit you're writing? Let me repeat: we're talking about GAMES, we PLAY them. You enjoy what you enjoy and that's ALL there is to it. You won't know how much you're going to enjoy it until you play it, though I doubt you have the capability to NOT be influenced by all your self-imposed "higher standards" baggage.
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DSN2K said:
Why, the 360 2007 pics will look the same? What difference will it make?
dark10x said:It actually holds up really well against shots that were released like this...
Stadiums really DO look great!
Yeah, but that shot was the first of the shots that made everybody start to go "Wait...what the fuck happened here?"
Plus, even in that shot, Alexander is looking up at McNabb and wishing he looked nearly as good as that.
The stadiums do look excellent. And I'd be congratulating nathkenn on that if he hadn't been blowing hot air all over the forum since the NFL draft.
And that's wha happens when a company like EA gets exclusive rights to the NFL. Fuck that looks totally unimpressive. The characters models I can get past, but the crowd, and the lack of grass is just plain horrible. I'm wondering if what we saw in FIFA 06 is going to turn out like this too. If not, how the hell are you going to make FIFA look that good, and leave your best game looking like a high-res PS2 port. Way to go EA. I won't be buying this.