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Magic: the GAFering |OT2|
- Thread starter The Technomancer
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Now red just needs their powerful 2-drop creature and the cycle will be complete*.
* Goblin Recruiter would fit in here if he was legal in Legacy.
Not restricted at all in any format and is only marginally played. It's a brave new world in MTG, power creep is pretty crazy. You want to draw cards? You got this motherfucker now:
Yeah, FoF was amazing back in the day but I'm not sure how it would stack up today.
Who doesn't love Brainstorm?
The only Jace that gets played in Legacy.
How can you list the 2 drop "Superfriends" and leave out the most recent one?
No doubt he's good but I just don't see him on the power level of the other 3. I'd probably even put Goblin Lackey ahead of him.
Yea J:TMS is banned in Modern and is completely ridiculous.
Basically the easiest way to describe how magic has changed is that the power level between creatures and spells has inverted since you played. Back in your day creatures were terrible and spells were incredible, now the reverse is true.
For instance, most reasonable creatures these days have crazy enter the battlefield effects and some are even getting exit the battlefield effects. Then there is crazy shit like this:
Could you imagine creatures that nutty back in your day? Or hey how about an instant speed 5/5 trampler for 4 mana, no biggy.
Basically the easiest way to describe how magic has changed is that the power level between creatures and spells has inverted since you played. Back in your day creatures were terrible and spells were incredible, now the reverse is true.
For instance, most reasonable creatures these days have crazy enter the battlefield effects and some are even getting exit the battlefield effects. Then there is crazy shit like this:
Could you imagine creatures that nutty back in your day? Or hey how about an instant speed 5/5 trampler for 4 mana, no biggy.
Here's what you need to know about modern day magic:
1) Arbitrary mechanics are out, everything is flavor driven now.
2) Leave your spells at home, it's creature time all de time.
3) If you want to play combo, do it in Modern (the successor to Extended) or Legacy (T1.5)
4) Vintage (T1) is dead as a competitive format, Legacy is the next closest thing.
5) Decks no longer have inventive names, they are now referred to solely by their color combo and whether they're Aggro, Midrange or Control.
6) Draw-go is dead in Standard as is countermagic. It's all about sweeping/bouncing/lifegain now.
7) They fixed "Cannot be the target of spells or abilities", and then ruined it by giving it to blue.
So they went what I guess you could describe as "Full Friday Night Magic"?
That was always the prediction back in the days of smokey card shops on Friday night, talking about how Wizards was surely going to make the game all about gigantic 11/11 monsters for like 5 mana and that Counterspell would cost 4UUU and drawing cards would be criminal. Basically catering towards middle school students that like to turn big numbered monsters sideways and less about creativity and skills and more about who gets their Wurm down first.
I know that's not the case now, just the cynical direction we always joked about the game going down. Mentioning that they've basically reversed the power of Creatures and Spells over the last 15 years reminded me of that.
Oh God... run! Run while you still can! The game will suck you back in hard... HARD!!!
Whats funny is that it can be argued that the game has actually become more complex now. The decisions you have to make in each combat are far more detailed and the consequences of making even a single mistake are huge. It's a changed game, but not necessarily a worse one.
EDIT: LOL I love seeing peoples reactions to Emrakul.
What's the broken combo to get that bad mama jamma out on turn 3?
I can completely understand how this is possible.
I can completely understand how this is possible.
One of the best creatures ever printed (top two or three maybe?) and definitely in the running for most powerful card ever.
VVV What did that run you Corrupt? VVV
CorruptShadow
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Went into my LGS today and saw this NM french revised Sol Ring, I knew immediately it would have to be mine! Love me some black borders.
Well good. That just seems crazy.
*says the person who played super casually like 5 years ago*
GoutPatrol
Forgotten in his cell
Granted, like all planeswalker cards when they first get released, the price goes up to around 50 when they first come out (that Jace got to around 60 at the peak) and then deflate once they are proven to be not as good as Mind Sculptor. Even then, most good planeswalkers are going to go for 10-20 bucks.
Love it, conceptually.You missed the one with greatest activated ability ever:
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yeah, they way they describe it they pushed to invert the power because having more relevent effects on the board and attatched to bodies increases the stratetic complexity of combat. Which...I think I'd agree with, to an extent
One piece of the puzzle you may be missing is that planeswalkers can be targeted with direct damage as though they were players, and they can be targets for creature attacks (in which case the player who controls the PW chooses how to block like normal)
acheron_xl
Member
Moreso than costing it at 2?
2 is fine, I think 2/3 without the GY clause would have been far better.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Eldrazi Conscription is one of my favorite cards.
FieryBalrog
Member
Why have people always equated playing a counterspell to "letting loose with some serious mental powers"?
Not you, just a general attitude that I find among a lot of players that you're sort of referencing here.
I've been playing since '97, and one of my first decks was Forbidian, and I still think it's weird that playing Counterspell.dec is imagined as the MTG equivalent of going into astrophysics or something. I do have my theories as to why, and the general self-identification of MTG players with the color blue due to it being the color of "I'm a nerdy genius" (Jace was deliberately created as the "MTG player alter ego" out of the original 5; Rosewater mentions this on the Planeswalker edition of his podcast. That's also why he's always been made powerful and playable, including one stint as the stupidly OP Mind Sculptor.)
FieryBalrog
Member
Also, I think you can easily see this by comparing the art on the various iterations of Jace to the others.
Keru_Shiri
Member
I've always maintained that Red was truly the "thinking man's" color. It takes skill and dedication to pilot the Mountains to the top spot, while all the highfalutin UW control players look down on you with their Japanese Jace's brought out with foil Unhinged Islands.
It's funny to see them pride themselves on how cerebral their playing supposedly is when sideboarding consideration boils down to siding in whatever red-hate cards they bothered to pack.
(Sorry, I'm still bitter over Kor Firewalker existing.)
It's funny to see them pride themselves on how cerebral their playing supposedly is when sideboarding consideration boils down to siding in whatever red-hate cards they bothered to pack.
(Sorry, I'm still bitter over Kor Firewalker existing.)
I was gonna say you'd never see that against blue. Then I remembered Skylasher. It's not quite as much as a house against blue as Firewalker is against red though.
Keru_Shiri
Member
Like, I can understand Blue's perception of being the color of high-thought and subtlety at a beginner's level, since Blue's style may not be as obvious to big & fast creatures. It just baffles me how that perception seems to carry over into high-level play, at least from my experience.
Having protection from black and blue is killer.
This is why Path to Exile is the best removal in Modern!
As much as people may think it's "overpowered", it's most definitely the removal spell Modern needs.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Hm, as mythics go not too splashy. Unless I am misreading it and you do add as many counters as you gain life.
Nope just 1 counter, could make extort decks a thing.
Nice limited finisher.
A sorcery-speed Might of Oaks variant, I like it.
divisionbyzorro
Member
So it's the Overrun of the set. I wonder if we'll get Switcheroo again, or some other Mind Control variant.
It's a core set, it'll definitely have something with that effect.
I see what you did there.
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