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Takuan said:
My LGS pre-ordered enough, but now they're left with a bunch of the green decks that no one will buy. I picked up two to make a white weenie, but I don't have any of the money equipment cards that are required to smash face in these sorts of decks. Maybe I'll put together a budget one anyway.

I only have 1 Batterskull, which seems to be the big thing going. But any equipment card is monsterously awesome with Puresteel + Stoneforge + that one Kor dude that costs WW and allows you to equip any creature upon it's entrance.

Argentum Armor is my personal favorite.
 
Grave Titan for me, sweeeet.

Is that turn to frog card real? I hope so.
 
I'm going to love hunter's insight in my Mayael deck. A nice 3 mana to draw 7 sounds about right. Also, the new lightning greaves is going to be in all my decks. Thanks M12.
 
WanderingWind said:
But the shittiest one is the Sun Titan....
How do figure? I have 3 frost titan's and have yet to find anyone who wants them. Sun Titans I've seen people actually use. I wish primeval Titan was one of the promos to drive the price down further.
 
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
How do figure? I have 3 frost titan's and have yet to find anyone who wants them. Sun Titans I've seen people actually use. I wish primeval Titan was one of the promos to drive the price down further.
There is no way Primeval keeps value after rotation and a reprint. It's just not happening. Wait a bit and it'll drop to the $5-$10 range.
 
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
How do figure? I have 3 frost titan's and have yet to find anyone who wants them. Sun Titans I've seen people actually use. I wish primeval Titan was one of the promos to drive the price down further.

Really? I've seen people using frost titans but nobody using sun titans outside of EDH decks.

Although personally I agree, I'm not a fan of the frost titans.

Primeval
Grave
Inferno
Sun
Frost

To me at least. Wish I hadn't traded all my primevals away before they jumped in price.
 
Takuan said:
There is no way Primeval keeps value after rotation and a reprint. It's just not happening. Wait a bit and it'll drop to the $5-$10 range.

I sure hope so. I've wanted that for my green deck since I started playing again.


siddx said:
Really? I've seen people using frost titans but nobody using sun titans outside of EDH decks.

Although personally I agree, I'm not a fan of the frost titans.

Primeval
Grave
Inferno
Sun
Frost

To me at least. Wish I hadn't traded all my primevals away before they jumped in price.

Same way I'd rank them. Sucks too since Frost is so much cheaper so you get a card that is twice the price if you get ps3 or xbox. Is PSN even back up yet to purchase it?


Have they said what will happen to the planeswalkers yet? I'm assuming a new Garruk or has there been two yet? Is baby Jace getting printed again instead of mind sculptor?
 
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
Have they said what will happen to the planeswalkers yet? I'm assuming a new Garruk or has there been two yet? Is baby Jace getting printed again instead of mind sculptor?
No confirmation. Garruk, Chandra, and Jace are getting new art, that is all we know.

Sorin and Gideon Jura are both confirmed to be reprints. I had assumed Zaraki was only talking about the Lorwyn walkers.
 
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
How do figure? I have 3 frost titan's and have yet to find anyone who wants them. Sun Titans I've seen people actually use. I wish primeval Titan was one of the promos to drive the price down further.

I don't know. Sun Titan just needs such an exact set of circumstance to be useful to me. Frost Titan too, but those circumstances are a little less rare.

Grave
Primeval
Inferno
Frost
Sun

IMO.
 
Leunam said:
I think Sorin Markov has been confirmed.
Yes, Sorin has been confirmed to be in the black PW slot. I like it actually, it means that the original five won't always be the core set staples, and lets the focus for Liliana be on Innistrad.
 
WanderingWind said:
I don't know. Sun Titan just needs such an exact set of circumstance to be useful to me. Frost Titan too, but those circumstances are a little less rare.

Grave
Primeval
Inferno
Frost
Sun

IMO.
Sun Titan seems pretty crucial in a white weenie.
 
Takuan said:
Sun Titan seems pretty crucial in a white weenie.

Well, I've more or less only tinkered with Knights/Soldier builds with white. Maybe you're right. Probably, you're right.

It's just compared to a Primeval who fits into so many concepts or a Grave who is an awesome beater/defender/token creator, the Sun Titan just looks like poop.
 
Takuan said:
No confirmation. Garruk, Chandra, and Jace are getting new art, that is all we know.

Sorin and Gideon Jura are both confirmed to be reprints. I had assumed Zaraki was only talking about the Lorwyn walkers.
Ya, they have a banner showing Sorin, Chandra, Garruk, Jace, and Gideon for M12 so I think they're all confirmed. I'm assuming Sorin, Chandra, and Gideon are all reprints since Ablaze has only been printed once I think. I'm assuming a new Garruk since there has only been on type? And you would have been a reprint of JTMS if he didn't cause so many problems so maybe a new one of him? I'd hate baby again.
 
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
Ya, they have a banner showing Sorin, Chandra, Garruk, Jace, and Gideon for M12 so I think they're all confirmed. I'm assuming Sorin, Chandra, and Gideon are all reprints since Ablaze has only been printed once I think. I'm assuming a new Garruk since there has only been on type? And you would have been a reprint of JTMS if he didn't cause so many problems so maybe a new one of him? I'd hate baby again.
I get the feeling that we're going to get both new Garruk and Liliana in Innistrad. Those two seem to have a similar dynamic to Jace and Chandra
 
The_Technomancer said:
I get the feeling that we're going to get both new Garruk and Liliana in Innistrad. Those two seem to have a similar dynamic to Jace and Chandra

Would they print the same one for the 3rd time though? He would be the first to be printed three times which is why I'm unsure but it would make more sense to change him to black/green or something in Innistrad or whatever they do storywise.

Edit: Baby Jace has been printed 3 times so they probably will do Garruk normal until Innistrad.
 
The_Technomancer said:
I get the feeling that we're going to get both new Garruk and Liliana in Innistrad. Those two seem to have a similar dynamic to Jace and Chandra
Me too. I think it'd be a shame not to see a GB Garruk, and it meshes well with the storyline. I'd really like to see that happen. Regardless, I don't think we'll see new Garruk/Jace/Chandra; the M12 starter decks feature all their respective planeswalkers on the deckbox, and they all go by their "normal" names.

I am curious, however, of which Garruk we get in the Commander deck. I don't mind a second Garruk, but it would be pretty damn cool if Wizards put the new art in there for us. I doubt it happens - even if M12 Garruk is Wildspeaker, people will want to chase for the revised art just for collecting purposes - but it would be a nice gesture.

In other news, I was late on the pre-order of the Commander decks and may not get one this Friday. Should not have waited so long.
 
Takuan said:
Me too. I think it'd be a shame not to see a GB Garruk, and it meshes well with the storyline. I'd really like to see that happen. Regardless, I don't think we'll see new Garruk/Jace/Chandra; the M12 starter decks feature all their respective planeswalkers on the deckbox, and they all go by their "normal" names.

I am curious, however, of which Garruk we get in the Commander deck. I don't mind a second Garruk, but it would be pretty damn cool if Wizards put the new art in there for us. I doubt it happens - even if M12 Garruk is Wildspeaker, people will want to chase for the revised art just for collecting purposes - but it would be a nice gesture.

In other news, I was late on the pre-order of the Commander decks and may not get one this Friday. Should not have waited so long.

I think the shop by me still has a bunch since like none of us play EDH. They seem pretty cool but I just have no desire to play EDH for some reason.
 
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
I think the shop by me still has a bunch since like none of us play EDH. They seem pretty cool but I just have no desire to play EDH for some reason.
These aren't limited by any means, so I know I'll be able to get them eventually without a problem. I just really wanted to have them this week, since I'll be really tied up with stuff the following week. Who knows, though, my LGS may get enough.
 
The_Technomancer said:
Its really at its best with 3+ players, try to get a group going if you can.

Odd. My regular group is exactly 4 players!

They all hate me though. My vampire deck has never, ever lost. They always gang up on me, too.

Fuckers.
 
Takuan said:
Sun Titan seems pretty crucial in a white weenie.

I tried it in my white weenie deck but it just never helped me. By the time I could afford it I was focusing on getting my pumped up knights through with things like armored ascension.
 
Just pulled a Batterskull in MTGO drafting. Feels good man.

First game I infected him to death with 2 blighted agents, eventually it was 3.
Second game Batterskull won me the game, on the fifth turn. :)

These were my picks. http://www.raredraft.com/watch?d=2rtf4

Any tips on the drafting picks would be appreciated.
 
so..... batterskull is the new hotness, eh?
just started playing this past weekend. group of 4, with 3 of us starting with new phyrexia and pulled batterskulls.
blighted agent is my key to victory. helped along by batterskull and caged sun.
 
Hey Mtg-Gaf. I haven't played Magic on a table for more than 10 years (though I bought DotP) and I stumbled across a set of playing cards labelled Magic The Gathering on a garage sale. The set is dated from 1994 (back when I started playing, too!) and it seems it's been made by a company named Yaquinto, in Dallas, TX.

It's quite surprising because the old man selling it (0.50€) didn't know where it came from, nor if it was complete. I wonder what kind of travel that set made to land in an old's man garage in a little village full of peasants lol. Have you guy ever heard of this? Here are some pictures I took, they're a little big, sorry.

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FUUUUUUUUUUU

About a week after I made posts on several forums about selling my cards. I am back in :(

I just called a local game shop and they have tournaments/drafts 4 nights a week plus FNM.

Booster Boxes cost #125 there, tax included. (Canadian Currency) So I think I will stop by tonight and buy a box and go to FNM this week. Would I be able to at least have a fighting chance off one box of NPH boosters?

BTW what set would you recommend I buy a box of from the SOM block?
 
I hate waiting for cards to come in through the mail. It's pretty agonizing. It does make me more excited for when they finally come though.
 
pix said:
Booster Boxes cost #125 there, tax included. (Canadian Currency) So I think I will stop by tonight and buy a box and go to FNM this week. Would I be able to at least have a fighting chance off one box of NPH boosters?
No, you would not. There are staples in all of the 7 sets that are currently Standard-legal. My advice is to figure out what sort of deck you want to make and buy the singles. It's always cheaper and you aren't left with a bunch of junk you won't use.

What part of Canada are you from, out of curiosity? I'm in Toronto. My shop charges $110 taxes in for booster boxes, which could very well be the cheapest price in the nation. They're the closest to US prices that I can find, and in some cases (e.g. the NPH event decks) they're cheaper. It's not located in the greatest area, but the shop owners are great people, as are the group that plays there.
 
y2dvd said:
The spoilers for M12 white seems to be pretty strong.

I was thinking the same thing. White seems like it's going to very strong, between M12 and awesome cards like Puresteel and Elesh Norn.
 
Takuan said:
No, you would not. There are staples in all of the 7 sets that are currently Standard-legal. My advice is to figure out what sort of deck you want to make and buy the singles. It's always cheaper and you aren't left with a bunch of junk you won't use.

What part of Canada are you from, out of curiosity? I'm in Toronto. My shop charges $110 taxes in for booster boxes, which could very well be the cheapest price in the nation. They're the closest to US prices that I can find, and in some cases (e.g. the NPH event decks) they're cheaper. It's not located in the greatest area, but the shop owners are great people, as are the group that plays there.


Located in London, Ontario here. I guess I won't know how good of a chance I have to compete until I go there and play. I have no idea how good the competition is, haven't played in years, and this is not the city I grew up playing in.

Sealed/drafting won't be a problem it will just be constructed that will be tough for a bit.

BTW how is buying cards cheaper than boxing? Ive seen decks running $800 in standard constructed.
 
pix said:
Located in London, Ontario here. I guess I won't know how good of a chance I have to compete until I go there and play. I have no idea how good the competition is, haven't played in years, and this is not the city I grew up playing in.

Sealed/drafting won't be a problem it will just be constructed that will be tough for a bit.

BTW how is buying cards cheaper than boxing? Ive seen decks running $800 in standard constructed.
Standard constantly changes. Stupidly expensive cards like Jace, the Mind Sculptor inflate deck prices heavily, but everything rotates eventually. If you're smart about buying and trading, you won't have to spend that much. You will definitely still spend a couple hundred over time, but you'd be looking at over a thousand dollars of booster packs/boxes to get playsets of the money cards required for a tournament-competitive deck.

Let's put it this way: you could pay $125 for a booster box and get 0 of the mythic(s) you need for your deck, and a handful of the staples. Alternatively, you could buy playsets of that particular mythic (or a few of several mythics) along with supporting cards for $125 or possibly less, and you wouldn't have the extra cards that are useless to you taking up space. It's incredibly easy for a Magic collection to get to an unmanageable size.

Unless you're the type to spend $40-$100 on a single card without hesitation, it is going to be cheaper to buy singles than to buy boosters hoping to open said singles. How much cheaper is debatable, however, and like V_Arnold has pointed out, part of the thrill of Magic to myself and other collectors/players is in opening boosters.

As you play the game more, especially in the competitive environment, you'll begin to see what factors make a powerful card... which will then allow you to speculate on what cards will be popular in competitive formats and see rises in value. Take Spellskite, for instance: we all could've pre-ordered playsets for $2-$4, and they are now $8 each. I almost regret only pre-ordering 1 playset. But if you're able to develop a keen eye for this sort of stuff, it won't cost you that much to keep up with Standard. Granted, it's a bit of crapshoot to predict and you could easily make some bad calls, but it's fun.

V_Arnold said:
Takuan, I appreciate your advices, but you really do not seem to get the feeling of opening a booster box, huh? :P
Trust me, I do. I love the the feeling of buying boosters and opening a chase in your last pack. I love that new card smell; if there existed an air freshener that smelled like a newly opened Magic booster, I would buy it by the case. I would wear it on my body.

I'm simply recognizing that it is not an economical way to go about building a deck, that's all.
 
Takuan said:
Trust me, I do. I love the the feeling of buying boosters and opening a chase in your last pack. I love that new card smell; if there existed an air freshener that smelled like a newly opened Magic booster, I would buy it by the case. I would wear it on my body.

I'm simply recognizing that it is not an economical way to go about building a deck, that's all.

Alright, then, we agree that it is not economical, yeah. But for a new player, pulling out some strong white/blue cards might get them to start that kind of a deck, or the same goes for basically any color. As a starter, I am not sure anyone could decide what to -buy-, or they might end up with the super boring quest/Caw-blade deck, oh the horror. And then there you are, sitting on an expensive deck, not having fun. Or not knowing what to do with that playset of Jace, or worst, Tezzerets.
 
pix said:
Located in London, Ontario here. I guess I won't know how good of a chance I have to compete until I go there and play. I have no idea how good the competition is, haven't played in years, and this is not the city I grew up playing in.

Sealed/drafting won't be a problem it will just be constructed that will be tough for a bit.

BTW how is buying cards cheaper than boxing? Ive seen decks running $800 in standard constructed.
A lot of those decks are running four of the expensive cards, that's why they are high. Jace 2.0 is the expensive one that jumps the price of a deck and right now a box of WorldWake is like $200, with a chance of pulling one (+/-1) so four of him could be at $800 alone.

I really do like buying boosters and have been getting one box of each set, like to have all the commons and uncommons plus you never know what might be broken next. I also like to have a large pool of cards to choose from when making a deck.
 
V_Arnold said:
Alright, then, we agree that it is not economical, yeah. But for a new player, pulling out some strong white/blue cards might get them to start that kind of a deck, or the same goes for basically any color. As a starter, I am not sure anyone could decide what to -buy-, or they might end up with the super boring quest/Caw-blade deck, oh the horror. And then there you are, sitting on an expensive deck, not having fun. Or not knowing what to do with that playset of Jace, or worst, Tezzerets.
This is true. There's always going to be a card you pull, even as a seasoned player, that you'll want to build around even if it's just for casual fun. He mentioned participating in drafts and sealed events, so he'll probably be able to get a good idea of the colours, their cards, and their playstyles (in a vaccum, sure, but still) after a few weeks or less. He could also do research on tourney decks, which I personally don't think is any fun, but if he wants to make a tier 1 deck he'll have to do it. And with that research, he'll have a good idea of what he needs.

I definitely understand where you're coming from. I've just noticed that the serious players (at least, the ones at my LGS) never buy boosters. They buy or trade for what they need, and they either sell or trade the boosters they win at tournaments. They just don't spend that much on product. Further, from personal experience, you could easily spend hundreds of dollars on the latest set and still not get everything you want from it. I haven't opened 1 chase mythic in any of the NPH packs I bought. Not a single one. With the money I spent on packs (including the pre-release/release parties), I could easily have bought a playset of Obliterators, a Karn, a Sword, and a Batterskull - and I would have saved money, too.

And yet, it just wouldn't have been as fun. I still find myself picking up 3 packs every now and then after a draft just to see if I can pull something of value. It's gambling.
 
I would never buy packs to try to crack what I need, way too inefficient, but the thrill of it it's great and something that is never really lost. I'll buy singles of what I need and use packs for team drafts, has worked out well for me.
 
I will look into buying singles and trading, anyone know a deck that averages around $100-$150 they can mention?

Notables I pulled from my box are:

Karn the Liberated
Phyrexian Obliterator
Spellskite
Elesh Norn
Puresteel Paladin
 
Takuan said:
I definitely understand where you're coming from. I've just noticed that the serious players (at least, the ones at my LGS) never buy boosters. They buy or trade for what they need, and they either sell or trade the boosters they win at tournaments. They just don't spend that much on product. Further, from personal experience, you could easily spend hundreds of dollars on the latest set and still not get everything you want from it. I haven't opened 1 chase mythic in any of the NPH packs I bought. Not a single one. With the money I spent on packs (including the pre-release/release parties), I could easily have bought a playset of Obliterators, a Karn, a Sword, and a Batterskull - and I would have saved money, too.
I'm really not a fan of the 'serious' players I've met. It is nice to have a pimped Caw Blade deck, but fucker, you're at FNM, most of the decks have no chance of taking it down because we like to play shit that 'could' work, not practice a tournament deck. I just don't like the attitude of the people I've seen playing Caw-Blade and our meta doesn't change enough for that or valakut to be needed to win.

And I've actually been doing alright on NPH, bought a box and probably 20 packs, so about 150 on cards and have a foil Karn, 2x non-foil Karns, 2x Batterskulls, and an Obliterator. Still don't have a sword yet, but I can wait. Also got playsets of most commons and uncommons, various foils, and playsets of some of the rares I want to play around with. Can't wait to try changing my current GB Infect into a faster more powerful GB infect with Melira.
 
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