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That's reasonable, I'm not going into it super hardcore. I'm just looking for something else to spend my time on while waiting for certain games to come out and the new mechanics look so awesome.

Jesus christ this UI is horrid. Bugs all over the place, is it a resolution problem?
 
I would recommend the prereleases in 2 weeks for the new set. Casual-oriented, tons of players, and everyone's seeing the cards in person for the first time. Should be $25 to enter the tournament, and you get 6 boosters and the special (doublesided foil alternate art!) pre-release card (with more as prizes if you win.)

MTGO is horribly out of date. They basically haven't spent money on it in forever, and are currently in the beta for a complete overhaul. (I'm a tester) But it's nowhere near prime time right now.
 
Halycon said:
That's reasonable, I'm not going into it super hardcore. I'm just looking for something else to spend my time on while waiting for certain games to come out and the new mechanics look so awesome.

Jesus christ this UI is horrid. Bugs all over the place, is it a resolution problem?

No, that is a Wizard's UI issue. Apparently the "in beta" web-based GUI is much better, but I can't honestly tell you.
 
TheSeks said:
No, that is a Wizard's UI issue. Apparently the "in beta" web-based GUI is much better, but I can't honestly tell you.
I can. :) It's infinitely better, and they've added some UI elements from Duels of the Planeswalkers. Screenshots are banned atm though, so I can't show ya anything.
 
M:TGO was released in 2002?

The UI looks exactly like something from 2002. Glad to hear they're going to introduce it to modern GUI design.
 
Halycon said:
M:TGO was released in 2002?

The UI looks exactly like something from 2002. Glad to hear they're going to introduce it to modern GUI design.

No. 1999-ish, IIRC. Wanted Windows 98 in the initial 1.0 release. This is the 2.0 client so far. 3.0 is said web-based GUI.
 
TheSeks said:
No. 1999-ish, IIRC. Wanted Windows 98 in the initial 1.0 release. This is the 2.0 client so far. 3.0 is said web-based GUI.
MTGO was definitely a 2002 release. I remember signing up for beta and playing with cards from Onslaught. :P
 
The last set I played in was Time Spiral. After opening up my starter pack I was kind of floored by some of the stuff they have now. 12/12 for 10 with no drawback? What?

And this is along old favorites like Darksteel Colossus.

Still reading through the cards. I swear, browsing cards is the best part of MTG.

(I want a vampire deck)
 
Cards of the day:
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I'm still trying to figure out what I want to make here. Definately want to spend less than $100.

Friend said he'd lend me some cards.

Anyway, so all my old Zendikar cards are worthless now?
 
Eteric Rice said:
I'm still trying to figure out what I want to make here. Definately want to spend less than $100.

Friend said he'd lend me some cards.

Anyway, so all my old Zendikar cards are worthless now?
Not at all, just won't be playable in standard. Maybe throw together a casual deck with them? Or warp a deck into a modern deck. Quite a few of them will retain value, like fetchlands and stuff.
 
Eteric Rice said:
I'm still trying to figure out what I want to make here. Definately want to spend less than $100.

Friend said he'd lend me some cards.

Anyway, so all my old Zendikar cards are worthless now?
Well they're not worthless, but you can't use them in standard anymore.
 
Orayn said:
MTGO was definitely a 2002 release. I remember signing up for beta and playing with cards from Onslaught. :P

Launched in June 2002. Torment was the current set.

The online variant can be a money sink just as much as the paper variant. That's what my article lists as a con. It isn't a bad thing if you know moderation, but if you want to play the game casually or are just starting it is a bad thing to dive in head first and pay $10+$1-5 for tickets to enter events to try to win cards/draft in addition to buying the cards digitally.

AFAIK the costs are roughly the same with the online being maybe $1-2 more/less than the paper variant and the events probably being cheaper to get into since the universal "ticket" cost is like $1?

Packs sell for full MSRP, which is generally unfortunate. You can't get a bulk discount for buying a bunch at a time like you would if you went to a games store or hobby shop and purchased a booster box. On the flipside, if you're good enough, your drafts can pay for themselves with prizes.

If you like playing casual, random constructed formats, MTGO is awesome. Because the economy is so fluid, non-chase rares and uncommons can often be bought for fractions of a tix. And you only need to own one copy of a card to put it in every deck you own. No need to own three dozen Llanowar Elves for your 9 different green decks.
 
Lightning Bolt's better due to instant speed and being able to target creatures. This is superior in the late game sure, but it's much more situational as to whether or not it's good.

Still great in limited like most flashback cards though.
 
So have people started building decks out of these new cards that are coming out?

Also, when do they come out? I might try to hit the event so I can get in on them early, and start fresh.
 
Pre-release events are this weekend, £25 at my local gamestore but prices might vary depending on where you are. You can search for events here.

The actual release of the set is the week after the pre-release IIRC. Pretty sure some people have concepts for decks already fleshed out, but it'll be a while before the metagame settles down.
 
Eteric Rice said:
So have people started building decks out of these new cards that are coming out?

Also, when do they come out? I might try to hit the event so I can get in on them early, and start fresh.
From your avatar I guess you're in the UK, where abouts?
 
Bump in the Night could be a no brainer for bloodthirst decks, though I'm thinking most bloodthirst decks are vamp decks. With Rakish Heir's ability, I might rather use creature removal spells over BitN to get vamp dmg through.
 
If anything, Bump in the Night might see play in eternal format Burn decks, since its Lava Spikes 5-8, and its easier than ever for Red to splash Black.
 
y2dvd said:
Bump in the Night could be a no brainer for bloodthirst decks, though I'm thinking most bloodthirst decks are vamp decks. With Rakish Heir's ability, I might rather use creature removal spells over BitN to get vamp dmg through.


Doesn't work for Bloodthirst because your opponent isn't taking damage, just losing life. So it's worse than Bolt in that respect as well.

Overall, Bumb in the Night is a pretty bad card, except in eternal Burn.
 
y2dvd said:
Bump in the Night could be a no brainer for bloodthirst decks, though I'm thinking most bloodthirst decks are vamp decks. With Rakish Heir's ability, I might rather use creature removal spells over BitN to get vamp dmg through.
Does it trigger bloodthirst, though? I know damage leads to a loss of life, but is direct loss of life counted as damage?

StealthEdit: Answered above. I figured as much. Well, it's conceivable to draft 4 of these with a bunch of fast creatures and aggro aggro aggro!
 
Nope but it is a very nice limited card. Lava Axe variants are played in every limited format and the two-color cost of the card (because it's unplayable in a black only deck) pretty much guarantees you'll be wheeling these late.
 
We are loosing a ton of great Vampires when Zendikar rotates out but we are gaining a few cool ones too. I'm not sure it will be quite as powerful or synergistic as it is now but it should certainly be viable if you plan on building a B/R Vamp deck.
 
I lost my first game of MTGO because I messed up the targeting. I accidentally took control of one of my own creatures with Captivating Vampire when I wanted to take control of one of theirs (in order to remove their Etched Champion's Metalcraft: Pro Colors)

Fuuuuuuuuu...
 
Am I right in saying Black Vampires are being replaced with Zombies? I got a Cemetery Reaper from a celebration event booster so might try and build my first deck around him and hope for some of the new zombie token cards.
 
Frostburn said:
We are loosing a ton of great Vampires when Zendikar rotates out but we are gaining a few cool ones too. I'm not sure it will be quite as powerful or synergistic as it is now but it should certainly be viable if you plan on building a B/R Vamp deck.
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Die you annoying little out-of-color-balance bastard.


f0rk said:
Am I right in saying Black Vampires are being replaced with Zombies? I got a Cemetery Reaper from a celebration event booster so might try and build my first deck around him and hope for some of the new zombie token cards.
Probably not. Vampires are the major Black race now (and have been for about three years) because they make a lot more sense in terms of personality then Zombies ever did. Zombies are making a big show in Innistrad though because they're the Blue/Black tribe and Vampires are the Black/Red tribe.
 
Halycon said:
I lost my first game of MTGO because I messed up the targeting. I accidentally took control of one of my own creatures with Captivating Vampire when I wanted to take control of one of theirs (in order to remove their Etched Champion's Metalcraft: Pro Colors)

Fuuuuuuuuu...

The UI is all sorts of fucked up. I tried a similar move in tapping a creature with the free trial demo thing and got turned off.

And I still wish they would accept my 8th edition code. I'm not sure if e-mailing Wizards would let them open up an account and give me my free 8th edition starter kit cards for free. :/

Speaking of which, I've been meaning to book mark the "playing Online for cheap" posts that Chojin posted up. Anyone have it?
 
The UI needs to be more obvious when it's asking you for something. Like when you're clicking to tap, clicking to pay a cost or clicking to select a target.

Trolling with a Planeswalker Mana Accel deck:
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Kubisa said:
Pre-release events are this weekend, £25 at my local gamestore but prices might vary depending on where you are. You can search for events here.

The actual release of the set is the week after the pre-release IIRC. Pretty sure some people have concepts for decks already fleshed out, but it'll be a while before the metagame settles down.

Pre-releases are Sept 24 and 25.

The set release Sept 30
 
The vampire is good even without the transform ability albeit a bit too slow for constructed. Five or more vampires is also a bit high. Don't think it'll work well for aggro decks?
 
Akim said:
i'd like it better if it was like...during your upkeep, if you control 5 or more vampires, transform it

I like the mana cost for the activation. Being able to dodge an incinerate is handy. Giving your opponent a window to respond to it transforming on your upkeep is bad news. The fact it just costs a black means for BB you can dodge said incinerate fairly easily.

TheSeks said:
The UI is all sorts of fucked up. I tried a similar move in tapping a creature with the free trial demo thing and got turned off.

And I still wish they would accept my 8th edition code. I'm not sure if e-mailing Wizards would let them open up an account and give me my free 8th edition starter kit cards for free. :/

Speaking of which, I've been meaning to book mark the "playing Online for cheap" posts that Chojin posted up. Anyone have it?


I can dig for those if you'd like.

What's in the 8th edition starter kit? I started on release and I never got one of those. Was it just a starter pack of 8th? I know its the principle of the matter, but hell, if you're really hard up for 8th edition cards or whatever was in there, I'm sure I could find or give them to you just to get you playing online :p When I think of 8th edition I think of shitty rares like Jade Croccodile and Vizzerdrix. Bribery is the only really money rare, at 22 dollars. And then Phyrexian Arena and BoP at 1.25 (which you can probably get cheaper depending on the set) and then WoG at 3 bucks.

But yeah, MTGO is awesome for casual play. It's not very hard to get cards and most of the major sellers have a bot available to get free cards once a month with. Granted they're all going to be commons, but many are staple and stuff you can play with. Combine free cards with casual trading, yeah it'll take some elbow grease but you can play and build a limitless amount of decks.

Playing competitively is a whole different story. That can and will break your wallet depending on the deck you play. But with that said, there's so many daily events and people playing the game that even playing a budget deck will win you some packs once in a while. Good play trumps good cards every time.

The rewards system is by far one of the best things though. Every month you get a bunch of free cards depending on your "points" you've earned. You get a monthly summary of your points via email. The rewards come in tiers. Lower tiers are special art lands but the higher tiers you get some really good stuff. Like I got a textless Foil Terror which was friggan awesome. You get points simply by logging into the game, at least 3 or 4 times a weeks and those points max out, then you get points for plaing sanctioned tournaments. So yes, the more you spend the more you get, but even playing a draft or two a month will net you some nice cards, with foils.
 
New cards:


Bonds of Faith 1W
Enchantment - Aura (C)
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature gets +2/+2 as long as it's a Human. Otherwise, it can't attack or block.
Illus. Steve Argyle
5/264

Doomed Traveler W
Creature - Human Soldier (C)
When Doomed Traveler dies, put a 1/1 white Spirit creature token with flying onto the battlefield.
1/1
Illus. Lars Grant-West
11/264

Rally the Peasants 2W
Instant (U)
Creatures you control get +2/+0 until end of turn.
Flashback 2R
Illus. Jaime Jones
28/264

Curiosity U
Enchantment - Aura (U)
Enchant creature
Whenever enchanted creature deals damage to an opponent, you may draw a card.
Illus. Igor Kieryluk
49/264

Delver of Secrets U
Creature - Human Wizard (C)
At the beginning of your upkeep, look at the top card of your library. You may reveal that card. If an instant or sorcery is revealed this way, transform Delver of Secrets.
1/1
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Insectile Aberration
Creature - Human Insect
Flying
3/2
Illus. Nils Hamm
51/264
 
Kurtofan said:
New cards:


Bonds of Faith 1W
Enchantment - Aura (C)
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature gets +2/+2 as long as it's a Human. Otherwise, it can't attack or block.
Illus. Steve Argyle
5/264

Interesting pacifism variant. Though, I find it more of a drawback than a benefit. Still its nice to have Pacifism effects in block and draft.

Kurtofan said:
Doomed Traveler W
Creature - Human Soldier (C)
When Doomed Traveler dies, put a 1/1 white Spirit creature token with flying onto the battlefield.
1/1
Illus. Lars Grant-West
11/264

Potential 2 for 1. Good for limited.

Kurtofan said:
Rally the Peasants 2W
Instant (U)
Creatures you control get +2/+0 until end of turn.
Flashback 2R
Illus. Jaime Jones
28/264

Nice trick, flashback is cool. Weird color combo for it. I don't see R/W being a color in Inn Draft. Maybe with the other two sets. Still if you're R/W then it's nice to have this card.

Kurtofan said:
Curiosity U
Enchantment - Aura (U)
Enchant creature
Whenever enchanted creature deals damage to an opponent, you may draw a card.
Illus. Igor Kieryluk
49/264

YESSSSS. I'm always a happy Chojin when Curiosity is in Standard. This is an example of a good aura. It's cheap, and it replaces itself if you can get at least one hit in. Every other hit is gravy.

Kurtofan said:
Delver of Secrets U
Creature - Human Wizard (C)
At the beginning of your upkeep, look at the top card of your library. You may reveal that card. If an instant or sorcery is revealed this way, transform Delver of Secrets.
1/1
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Insectile Aberration
Creature - Human Insect
Flying
3/2
Illus. Nils Hamm
51/264

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That's a weird effect. I love the flavor, but again seems like some weird hoops to make the card good. In draft if you'll need critical mass of instants or sorceries to make this card good. This means your creature count will be nominally low in comparison. Less creatures on the board is not something you want in Limited. For constructed, one mana dorks need some sort of ability. Flipping over into a 3/2 flyer is nice, but, doesn't seem worth the effort.

Again this new batch of cards just makes me more and more want to describe this set as "schizophrenic." With that said, it'll probably be a blast to play because its just so different.
 
That transforming vampire is the first transform card I really like. It will go straight into my vamp EDH deck.

Bump in the night could be a semi decent limited card, and the fact it's loses life instead of damage can be a benefit in the right situation as well. But yeah, its damn sure no lightning bolt.

I really like bonds of faith simply because too often I've sat there with 2 or 3 pacifisms in hand and nothing to use them on, it would be nice to be able to still get a use out of them by throwing them on one of my creatures.

Doomed traveler is a fantastic one drop. In limited it's especially great, either your opponent ignores your 1/1 pestering him or trades it in for a flyer thats harder to block.

Also happy to see curiosity returning.
 
Chojin said:
What's in the 8th edition starter kit? I started on release and I never got one of those. Was it just a starter pack of 8th? I know its the principle of the matter, but hell, if you're really hard up for 8th edition cards or whatever was in there, I'm sure I could find or give them to you just to get you playing online :p


http://www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Article.aspx?x=magic/products/8esku

Core Game
This two-player game box contains everything you need to get started (only available in the US and UK).

Contents:
Two decks
14-card booster for deckbuilding
A collectible premium card
Two play guides for a step by step game walkthrough
Rulebook
CD-ROM with tutorials and full Magic Online program.
Online User Manual
Credit for online versions of all cards in this core game.

The Core game sold in Europe (excl UK) contains:
Two decks
Two play guides for a step by step game walkthrough
Rulebook
2 play mats

AFAIK, the code I have is supposed to waive the $10 account starting fee. Which is what I want to do, but apparently using the code in the "redeem code" section doesn't work. :/
 
Eteric Rice said:
So, cheap but formidable decks. Anyone?

For what? Standard? Given some sets are rotating out in the next few weeks you might as well wait.
 
I see Delver of Secrets being potentially really good especially in a deck that uses a lot of scrying already. Even having paid U for 1/1 is not a bad deal if it never transforms. It also lets you do something useful on the first turn.
 
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