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Hi guys, long time lurker first time poster. Just getting into MTG now.

Just wondering how Cloudshift works?

"Exile target creature you control, then return that card to the battlefield under your control."

The way I read it, I select a creature I control on the battlefield, exile it and then return it back to the battlefield.

Surely that is completely pointless? Or am I completely reading it wrong?


Combo it with or something similar:

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I'm sure there are better examples.
 
Geralfs messenger is a great example as it lets you get that extra 2 damage in *and* you can clear an undying counter off of it essentially giving it a free life.
 
You've read the card right but misread the potential.

For example if you cloudshift any card with an "enter the battlefield" effect you retrigger it. If someone targets a creature of yours with a removal spell (say Doom Blade) then you can cloudshift it to save it. Since the creature returns as essential a new copy of itself you can use it clear negative effects. Someone pacifies a creature, cloudshift to remove the pacify. If you have an undying creature with a +1/+1 counter on it you can cloudshift to clear the counter alloying it to undie again.

There is even a bizarre quirk in the magic rules that states that in combat, once a creature is declared as being blocked, it remains blocked even if the blocking creature is removed. So you could take some weak little guy like a Llanowar elf and block a big 5/5 monster, then cloudshift him to save him while still preventing the damage from the 5/5.

Ah right that's pretty cool then cheers :)

Like I said I'm still learning the rules and such, went to my first event today which was for newbies. Ended up with loads of cards some of the vets helping out were giving away so making a couple of decks.

Got a couple (Red and Blue) of the Magic 2013 30-card Duels 13 promo boxes from the comic shop too which are quite good to put together a rather weak but playable deck.

Think I've got enough for 4 decks just need some more lands to fill it out.
 
Tappedout.net and Mtgvault.com are two popular deck building sites.

And I need to start adding you guys on MTGO; I believe pretty much everyone here who plays online goes by the same name?

I'm uh... Shoujin for some reason on MODO.


Ok this guy on the GP Atlanta stream made a paper Momir Vig set. This is kind of brilliant.


I'm at work so I can't watch the video, how did he do it? Back in South Dakota there was a guy who did that when Lorwyn was out, he had a huge table of cmc creatures and used dice to see what comes into play.
 
I'm at work so I can't watch the video, how did he do it? Back in South Dakota there was a guy who did that when Lorwyn was out, he had a huge table of cmc creatures and used dice to see what comes into play.

He had a big box full of creatures with different colour sleeves, each colour representing a cmc.
 
picked up a couple booster packs today and got a primal surge & molgraf monstrosity. My green deck's going to benefit greatly :)
 
So uh... M13's Wrath is Planar Cleansing. Unless we get DoJ or something in RTR then this new metagame will be whacked.

I mean it was in M10 but didn't DoJ come out in a block set that time?

Also Rewind, hahaha :p

Ground Seal is an excellent hoser for a lot of decks right now though. Go Go Green and/or splash.

Quiron Dryad will be value town once we get back to Ravnica however.

Index... What the hell. It's one of the worst cards made. If WoTC thinks this is a ponder or preordain replacement then, oh god.
 
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You're fucking kidding me

Don't you just love it when they reprint crappy cards that were only good very narrowly in tiny, tiny situations that won't ever be relevant in today's standard?

This cocktease of not simply reprinting Dismiss because back in the day when the people voted for Rewind cause they're dumb has to stop.
 
I guess Terminus is going to be the go to white wrath effect for the forseeable future.

That's awful. Hopefully we'll get a W/B wrath at 4 CMC. I'll even settle for 5. Maybe. Wait we still got Mutilate right? B/U control it is for the next 2 years then. Except without Rav Duals that'll never happen. It's not even that good in B/U. NOOOOOOOH.

Edit: dangit, sorry doublepost. Spoiler season does this to me.
 
I think control decks will have to be black based after rotation. There is a mono black control deck coming up now that is based around a lot of artifacts that will rotate out, but there are quite a few reprints like Mutilate and Sign in Blood that are solid control cards. Also solid creatures like Bloodgift Demon that are currently overshadowed by the Titans (+ Sphinx in particular). Then the mana should be really good if they do (I think they are going to) reprint all the shock lands so experimenting with colours should be easy. Splashing white for Lingering Souls and a better sideboard for example. Maybe Grixis as well.
 
I think control decks will have to be black based after rotation. There is a mono black control deck coming up now that is based around a lot of artifacts that will rotate out, but there are quite a few reprints like Mutilate and Sign in Blood that are solid control cards. Also solid creatures like Bloodgift Demon that are currently overshadowed by the Titans (+ Sphinx in particular). Then the mana should be really good if they do (I think they are going to) reprint all the shock lands so experimenting with colours should be easy. Splashing white for Lingering Souls and a better sideboard for example. Maybe Grixis as well.

MBC will never happen. Ever. It's a fools dream.

Index is like a shitty ponder


Index is a useless card. Even with shuffle effects its still balls.
 
Magic has never not had a 4cc white sweeper. When WoG missed a core set, DoJ got printed in the next expansion. I would bet that RtR will see DoJ get reprinted.

I think we'll see BoP in RtR as well. I really think Wizards is trying to make Block a better format, so they're making sure certain core staples make it into Block.
 
Magic has never not had a 4cc white sweeper. When WoG missed a core set, DoJ got printed in the next expansion. I would bet that RtR will see DoJ get reprinted.

I think we'll see BoP in RtR as well. I really think Wizards is trying to make Block a better format, so they're making sure certain core staples make it into Block.


BoPs has precedent and I'm fairly certain it'll be there. I'm willing to bet DoJ isn't in RTR but in the first expansion to RtR however as an "Oops, that was a shitty experiment"


Who says anything about mono-black running Mutilate?

Mutilate is only one piece of the puzzle. Without a proper draw engine MBC will be dead in the water.
 
also, went to FNM for the first time yesterday

everybody ran the same deck

was kind of gay

Same Green manan Ramp
Same Delver
Same white weenie deck

making me not want to go to Friday Night Magic Now :|
 
Rewind confirmed? What in the Actual Factual? This core set IS insane.

From what I understand on MTGsalvation some poster using the name and number crunch is saying its confirmed, but others say no.

From what I've seen of this set so far I'd believe it was in.
 
As in what will they reprint next, Furnace of Rath?

God I wish I could find that article on Starcitygames where the guy was writing a fairy tale about a newbie who was losing and then Kai Budde appears out of nowhere telling the kid to use the force and a Furnace of Rath appears and all was good.

I think it was John Rizzo who wrote it but I can't ever find it.
 
Bonkers as in "What why would they reprint a bad card" or as in "Wow this card is great for some reason!"

In a metagame that includes restoration angel? So I counter your guy, untap and put down my resto angel to boot?

Oh yea. Bad card. Totally.
 
It'd work pretty well with the Tamiyo emblem for completely locking the game down.

Of course, if you've gotten the emblem, chances are you've already locked the game down...
 
I forget, when did Wizards go to white card borders and then back to black? I've got some 8th edition cards here that are white borders while Urza's Legacy block was black. What was the reasoning behind the move to white borders?

I kinda like the white borders. Pretty contrasting with the card art
 
I forget, when did Wizards go to white card borders and then back to black? I've got some 8th edition cards here that are white borders while Urza's Legacy block was black. What was the reasoning behind the move to white borders?

I kinda like the white borders. Pretty contrasting with the card art

White borders were for Core sets starting in Revised until 9th edition. However foils in core sets had black borders.

People considered the white borders to look ugly and back in the day Foreign language cards fetched a premium on the fact that a lot of them had black borders.

Now that they're back to black borders it makes it more uniform and there's less bawwing by people that hate white borders, which is a majority.
 
If I played back in the days of white borders I would have definitely sharpied them so that they'd be black. I personally hate the white borders...lol
 
I forget, when did Wizards go to white card borders and then back to black? I've got some 8th edition cards here that are white borders while Urza's Legacy block was black. What was the reasoning behind the move to white borders?

I kinda like the white borders. Pretty contrasting with the card art

White borders were used to signify core set reprints. They stopped doing them when they realized that 99% of Magic players hated them.

Also, holy shit this Mono-Black vs. Naya Pod match in SCG Seattle is dumb/epic. People who are up now should be watching.

Edit: Well that was a shitty ending :/
 
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