Tinker is never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever getting unbanned.
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Turn 2: Blightsteel Colossus
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Magic: the Gathering |OT9| Kaladesh - Cruisin' Down the Street in my 6/4
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Turn 2: Blightsteel Colossus
charlequin
Banned
Yeah, I don't really think the "why doesn't Maro admit they fucked up" critique is really fair. How many games have a head of game design who posts a post-mortem on their last batch of products every year? He has to avoid shitting on stuff that's actively being promoted and avoid throwing anyone under the bus, which means for new products all he can do is admit to mistakes he personally made or explain reasoning behind choices.
This is actually the first notable miss in three years of printing previously acknowledged story characters in Commander sets, so honestly I think it's working plenty well enough to continue doing.
This is another real clear result of being this much of an older, legacy game. In 2002 or so when MTG was actually near the forefront of digital presence for a hobby game, that rule made perfect sense since the sources of online discussion were pretty thin while the chance of a lawsuit was non-zero. These days, though, you really need to be able to just read what people are saying and not worry about this shit.
Actually, upon consideration, one of the bigger problems with dropping it might just be that Rosewater is already so accessible that if it weren't for this rule people would just bombard him with stuff 24/7.
I just saw someone play Memories Journey last night.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
So from the 4C commanders which do you think is strongest?
I think Saskia easily takes the cake but after her it gets a bit muddy. I don't think Ydris is particularly great, the Kings are too symmetrical, Breya is only going to be great in combo builds and Atraxa is going to be super annoying as a superfriends commander but little else.
I think Saskia easily takes the cake but after her it gets a bit muddy. I don't think Ydris is particularly great, the Kings are too symmetrical, Breya is only going to be great in combo builds and Atraxa is going to be super annoying as a superfriends commander but little else.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
He doesn't have haste nor protection and running counter magic works against cascade. He can also be straight up countered for no value compared to Wanderer. I don't think he'll light the world on fire.
Frankie Williamson
Member
Atraxa is going to be hell in Super Friends decks.
I know, she's going to immediately be my commander.
I know, she's going to immediately be my commander.
I don't want an unban, I want a reprint. You read it wrong bud.
Correct. Ludevic is in the spotlight of terrible all by himself here. The rest are fine and flavorful. He's just awful.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
It's a really good card.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I love cards like this. I hope that they allow a bit of goofiness to bleed back into the main sets outside of "haha look at how dumb goblins are"
divisionbyzorro
Member
Love this card:
That card is super good.
TheBlackMarvel
Member
I'm seriously considering buying them all. Send help.
ThLunarian
Member
Atraxa seems much better than that. "Proliferate every turn" has a ton of non obvious applications that will continue to be discovered for years. There are all kinds of counters that get way better if they go up every turn.
phazedplasma
Member
Why are they worth so much, good reprints?
More just that they're 100 cards and there's some good ones in there.
The preorder prices on singles are inflated like crazy too.
Simply Sarah
Member
So, how likely do we think it is for the decks commanders to become the names for the 4 colour combos? Will Jeskai Black become Breya? Will Four Color Aggro become Kynairo Aggro?
charlequin
Banned
Benefactor's Draught and Duelist's Heritage are both just awesome, straightforward new Commander designs.
There's always going to be a certain unavoidable amount of value in the new cards as long as they're at all desirable since this is the only place to get them, and then the rest is just in solid, medium-value reprints of cards with few previous printings. Cards > $4 in each deck:
Entropic Uprising: Past in Flames, Chromatic Lantern, Burgeoning, Waste Not
Open Hostility: Iroas, God of Victory, Karplusan Forest
Stalwart Unity: Progenitor Mimic, Collective Voyage, Tempt with Discovery, Venser's Journal, Lurking Predators, Forbidden Orchard, Homeward Path
Breed Lethality: Scavenging Ooze, Ghave, Guru of Spores, Kalonian Hydra, Reveillark, Cauldron of Souls, Darkwater Catacombs
Invent Superiority: Baleful Strix, Hanna, Ship's Navigator, Master of Etherium, Solemn Simulacrum, Godo, Bandit Warlord
Plus they each have a bunch of random $1-$3 cards at current prices. They all price out at above $80 on mtggoldfish just on reprints. They've got the priced lists up on the site now: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/commander-2016-decklists
Anyway, they'll settle down to cover price, which means most of those higher-priced older cards are gonna tank.
SigmasonicX
Member
0% chance. Not-white, etc. still work much better.
Days of Future Future - Kaladesh. Nothing much of note here, I think, other than the fact that vehicles were very weak for much of development. Still, they did make multiple decks where Smuggler's Copter was the only vehicle, so even if they didn't realize it would be as strong as it was, they did identify it as a strong card.
Evolutionary Escalation's art is pretty silly. With Frenzied Fugue, I'm surprised red is still getting temporary control of permanents instead of just creatures, since MaRo has said the Color Council he set up worked on this and he previously said red can't gain control of enchantments.
Simply Sarah
Member
0% chance. Not-white, etc. still work much better.
Days of Future Future - Kaladesh. Nothing much of note here, I think, other than the fact that vehicles were very weak for much of development. Still, they did make multiple decks where Smuggler's Copter was the only vehicle, so even if they didn't realize it would be as strong as it was, they did identify it as a strong card.
Evolutionary Escalation's art is pretty silly. With Frenzied Fugue, I'm surprised red is still getting temporary control of permanents instead of just creatures, since MaRo has said the Color Council he set up worked on this and he previously said red can't gain control of enchantments.
The art is great.
And yeah, Frenzied Fugue surprised me in that regard. It honestly doesn't feel very Red to me at all being able to hit everything. I highly doubt that kind of effect would get printed in a Standard product.
Barrage of cards:
This is goddam insane wtf
Love this card:
Instant speed, uncounterable colorless lay of the land that can also double as a mana producer T1 and dodge blood moon, shuffle for top/brainstorm.
This card is insane and i love it, i've long advocated for better mana searchers in colorless for basic lands that could be playable to help mana screw issues. This is an amazing design and will see play , sadly only sparely since it's legal only in very high power formats.
charlequin
Banned
It makes sense for red to do this with creatures, artifacts, planeswalkers, even a little bit lands. Meanwhile, enchantments are gonna be the permanent type this is least relevant for in many cases. I'd guess the elegance of not having to say "non-enchantment permanent" every time is worth the little bit of bend here.
And how great is this for Eldrazi manabases?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
yeah it even goes into isochron scepter.
Not sure, but it will probably see some play in lists splashing color, colorless probably won't want it. This card would've been played so much in modern, and high powered mana fixers should exist in any format imho, especially If they promote playing basics so that they're not auto fits everywhere
Also i just realized the red enchantment is basically 4 mana confiscate that give haste, hose SnT nicely too since it hit both omniscience and emrakul and off SnT it give you that permanent for 2 consecutive turns
EDIT: you can't aura a permanent off SnT. Was thinking of Oblivion rings effect sorry i'm dumb.
So basically unplayable EDH cards. Gee thanks.
Hm? Chaos Warp and Burgeoning are both great in EDH.
???
Chaos Warp is a commander staple for red. Hell, the card has only ever been in Commander product.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Considering I traded off my burgeoning before it was reprinted and was considering buying one again for the landfall deck I've been collecting cards for for a long time, yes huge thanks.
Oh? Apparently Fastbond is banned lol
Removal with one target are usually not great in multiplayer EDH, especially with random effects attached. I don't care if it hits enchantments.
People don't run nearly as much spot removal as they should on EDH, and then they get pissy when you kill them.
I run 1 StP, 1 PtE, 1 Anguished Unmaking, 1 Vindicate and 1 Utter End in my Alesha deck. It feels great to have an answer for everything in a pinch.
I had a guy chuckle at me when I used a Path and tell me "you should only run wraths" and then on my turn I killed him with Sun Titan+Fiend Hunter+Goblin Bombardment because he couldn't kill either at instant lol
I run 1 StP, 1 PtE, 1 Anguished Unmaking, 1 Vindicate and 1 Utter End in my Alesha deck. It feels great to have an answer for everything in a pinch.
I had a guy chuckle at me when I used a Path and tell me "you should only run wraths" and then on my turn I killed him with Sun Titan+Fiend Hunter+Goblin Bombardment because he couldn't kill either at instant lol
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Losing is usually not great in commander. A random permanent off the top is better than losing to Phenax + Eater of the Dead for instance and Chaos Warp gets rid of almost every combo piece.
Play active cards instead of reactive cards. Besides, there's probably a blue player somewhere that doesn't want to lose either.
It's better than you think.
Also y'all need to go over the EDH banned list in here I swear lol
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