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'Making a Murderer' subject Steven Avery denied new trial
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Ether_Snake
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So I didn't watch the documentary, but read the wikis, which are surprisingly sparse with details. Usually it's full of detailed timelines and all. If neither he or the younger guy were involved, how is the evidence explained? I understand there are issues about the judgement, but I'm wondering more about what actually happened.
The burned car on his property I guess, and remains nearby? Like I said the wiki is very sparse.
The burned car on his property I guess, and remains nearby? Like I said the wiki is very sparse.
Which evidence are you referring to? There was no blood of the victim found in either Avery's house (where the prosecution claimed he killed her the first time) nor in his garage (where they claimed he killed her again).
BronsonLee
Member
If this ever gets a new trial, they know exactly what's going to happen and the payout could bankrupt Wisconsin
Exactly.
itwasTuesday
He wasn't alone.
jeez
His new lawyer is not giving up
https://twitter.com/ZellnerLaw/status/915345920916459521
old lawyer
https://twitter.com/JButing/status/915343028075876352
Sheboygan judge denies Avery new trial. No hearing & no opposing brief by State. WI = #IllusionofJustice #notoveryet
https://twitter.com/JButing/status/915346536871137281
New trial denied in part on legal technicalities, like SA should have raised claims in prior motion-even though had no lawyer, no experts. 🤔
https://twitter.com/ZellnerLaw/status/915345920916459521
old lawyer
https://twitter.com/JButing/status/915343028075876352
Sheboygan judge denies Avery new trial. No hearing & no opposing brief by State. WI = #IllusionofJustice #notoveryet
https://twitter.com/JButing/status/915346536871137281
New trial denied in part on legal technicalities, like SA should have raised claims in prior motion-even though had no lawyer, no experts. 🤔
Rumblebones
Banned
Besides. The. Point.
His trial was a complete and utter sham.
Avery has clearly never been "all there" but he is still deserving of due process and a fair trial.
The entire state!? WI GDP is 232 billion dollars.
Tapioca
Banned
Burning a cat alive = unlawful incarceration for life? He didn't get sentenced for burning a cat, you know.
Link
The Autumn Wind
I pray you have no part in our justice system.
MarauderShields
Member
I agree he is a POS but if he didn't do it (I think he did) then the real killer is walking free and a real innocent (Brendon Dassey) is sitting behind bars
You don't care that the documentary basically laid out how the police manipulated evidence and a mentally retarded child in order to lock him up after already putting the man through court for another crime he didn't commit? Or rather, you "Do. Not. Care."?
Dark Cloud
Member
I hope you're joking. This guy and his nephew got fucked so badly, especially his nephew.
Link
The Autumn Wind
Brendon was released.
EDIT - Reading into it, I guess he wasnt? I though I read he was.
Not yet. Theyre blocking that.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
That's not how the law works!
metalslimer
Member
You are the fucking problem with our justice system and shit like this enables them to keep up with the systemic injustice done to minorities as well.
The very definition of bias.
I'm all for no cruelty against any animal but that's just jumping to conclusions.
Eh, the series didn't convince on balance of any probable innocence.
- Teresa's last known meeting was with him
- Her car was found in his salvage yard
- A key to her vehicle was found in his bedroom
- Bloodstains in the car matched him
- Her remains were found in his fire pit
If he didn't murder her, who did? It seems pretty far fetched to suggest the Sherriff's Department murdered Teresa, just so they could frame him up for it. You might suggest he didn't do a very good job covering the crime up, but he clearly isn't the sharpest crayon in the box to begin with.
- Teresa's last known meeting was with him
- Her car was found in his salvage yard
- A key to her vehicle was found in his bedroom
- Bloodstains in the car matched him
- Her remains were found in his fire pit
If he didn't murder her, who did? It seems pretty far fetched to suggest the Sherriff's Department murdered Teresa, just so they could frame him up for it. You might suggest he didn't do a very good job covering the crime up, but he clearly isn't the sharpest crayon in the box to begin with.
Calling it a good case is a stretch. What prosecutors said happened doesn't make sense, where did he the shooting happen?
No one is saying the Sherrif's department killed her. The argument is that she was murdered and the Sherrif's department manipulated the evidence to fit Steven Avery as the murderer.
Thats not how a trial works. Youre thinking of it completely backwards.
I know that's not how a trial works. That's why I listed all the evidence above, which is pretty conclusive.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
I don't think anyone argues that he didn't kill her. He totally did. But the cops might have tampered with evidence, and had big conflicts of interest, which makes the whole trial a sham sadly. They decided to steamroll him because of a past case of which, he actually was innocent of.
Oh the prosecution's story was garbage sure, but he still most likely did it.
Dark Cloud
Member
Did you even watch the show? I thought the first set of investegators never found a key in his house until that sleazy cop from the other county decided to come and all of a sudden they "found" a key
BronsonLee
Member
welp time to take a seat cause this is probably comin' now
Based on watching the show, I'm pretty sure at least 3 of your bullet points were probable framing by the police.
you can read the lawyer's motion here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1387805 + https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...6.07+-+Motion+for+Post-Conviction+Relief2.pdf
Says the ex-bf (featured in the show) did it
Yeah, there was definite flaws in the process. I guess the question the judge weighs up is whether they impact the credibility of the case enough to justify a new trial.
His room was searched by police 5 times.
Then the guy from another county walks in the room when no one is looking and says hey look what I found!
This is the same ex-boyfriend who erased all of her voicemails before the police could listen to them.
Tapioca
Banned
I think anyone who burns a cat alive should be in prison for life. They are a danger to all animals and humans.
The documentary was extremely one sided anyway. There is a ton of evidence that the documentary left out that sure makes it look like he did it.
People watch a documentary and then think they are an expert on the case...... um.. sure you all are.
I hope you all didn't watch "Loose Change".
Rumblebones
Banned
Get a grip.
His room was searched by police 5 times.
Then the guy from another county walks in the room when no one is looking and says hey look what I found!
It wasn't just a guy from another county, it was deputy Lenk of the Manitowoc Sherrif's department who wasn't supposed to be there.
Yes, but everyone deserves a fair trial and a fair investigation
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
Sure, but the trial was a complete sham with a lot of evidence tempering, and police and prosecution fuckery. I mean a frame job doesn't get that more obvious. They really wanted to make sure they nailed him for this, and thus...well they destroyed actual justice. That's why there needs to be a retrial.
That's not true, most of that so called list of evidence is covered in the documentary, the source on most of those lists in Ken Kratz.
That's a fine opinion, but that's not of what he was convicted. I really hope you never serve on a jury.
Dark Cloud
Member
His room was searched by police 5 times.
Then the guy from another county walks in the room when no one is looking and says hey look what I found!
Exactly. This shit head found a magical key in plain sight when nobody else found in the numerous times it was searched before.
Happened to me once. But I'm no evidence planting detective.
Eta- this reminds me of recent Baltimore case where a gun magically appears.
Amory
Member
I agree, 100%. But at the very least we arent talking about someone who's an innocent man.
And anyway, the last time he got let out for being railroaded he murdered someone.
Sucks he got railroaded again but who wants to find out what he'll do next?
Jesus christ.
Jmanunknown
Member
Oh look its another condescending know it all who believes the sexual predator of a prosecutor Ken Kratz. That man is despicable.
Brendon is never gonna get out despite the obviously coerced confession. They used the bs confession to convict Avery despite none of the evidence actually connecting to the confession.
This mentality says youre fine letting a man who committed Crime A go to prison for Crime B-which means theres an actual murderer still on the loose.