Support NeoGAF

[plagiarize]

If he knew she was last seen at Avery's place, and Avery was well known, him going to his lot and finding the car there is not surprising.

But yes he should have been considered a suspect. If there was a new trial he she should have to testify.

If you're still arguing whether or not Steven killed Teresa, you've already fallen for the sleight of hand.

 

[CornBurrito]

Has absolutely nothing to do with animals. If you burn a cat alive you will have no problem burning a human alive. It's an extreme act of violence and torture that a non-psychopathic human being would not commit. Almost all serial killers start with animals.

This isn't supported by any solid data.

People who work at slaughterhouses don't typically kill people at a rate any higher than the general population.

 

[Princess Carl]

The fact that it was a valet key could also indicate she didn't have it on her at all, as there's little reason to carry a valet key around with you. That key could have been recovered from elsewhere, like perhaps her house.

I'm a bit rusty on the specifics, but IIRC the Manitowoc sheriffs found the key, after the independent investigators has already been through. They also claimed that they just "found it" lying on the floor.

This is after closing off his family property and searching for over a week. You'd think they would've turned his room upside down since it was the alleged place the murder occurred.

the key shouldn't have even been admissible given who found it, since they were not supposed to be involved in the instigation at all.

Exactly, they searched his trailer multiple times before the sheriffs (who shouldn't have even been there) just went "hey, what's that on the floor?"

Sketchy as fuck.

IIRC, it was one of the sheriffs who were actually personally liable for a portion of any wrongful conviction damages in any payout that would have ensued too

I can sort of understand the justice system essentially covering up the evidence planting due to the previous lawsuit and the shame it would bring the area/state if it happened again. It's two dumbfucks whom no one likes in their minds, it was likely an easy decision to make.

But I honestly don't know how this doesn't convince everyone else that the entire thing was a farce.

 

[killdatninja]

People with farm cats deal with the farm cat having kittens by killing the kittens. Not to mention the general horrors of factory farming. Are farmers sociopaths who shouldn't get legal justice if accused of a crime?

Come the fuck on with this post dude. Do farmers douse the kittens in gasoline and burn them alive? If so, that's a very messed up way to deal with farm cats. I'm not inherently saying killing an animal automatically makes you a sociopath...

Anyway to you address your point further, Avery burned his family's cat alive for no valid reason (his excuse is the go-to "young, dumb and with the wrong crowd"). Couple that with the fact that this coward has a history of beating his wife/ex-fiance, allegedly choked his ex-fiance to the point of unconsciousness... take that how you will... at the end of the day Avery is still a shit human being.

 

[Skellig Gra]

Come the fuck on with this post dude. Do farmers douse the kittens in gasoline and burn them alive? If so, that's a very messed up way to deal with farm cats. I'm not inherently saying killing an animal automatically makes you a sociopath...

Anyway to you address your point further, Avery burned his family's cat alive for no valid reason (his excuse is the go-to "young, dumb and with the wrong crowd"). Couple that with the fact that this coward has a history of beating his wife/ex-fiance, allegedly choked his ex-fiance to the point of unconsciousness... take that how you will... at the end of the day Avery is still a shit human being.

He can be a shit human being but that doesn’t mean we should let someone else guilty of murder walk free.

 

[Ether_Snake]

They found the car really, really fast, considering how large the yard was. And that's just one of the many odd details about that car and how it was discovered...

Edit:
And they keep coming:
"We have a Brady witness who reported seeing Teresa's car after the murder partially hidden off of State Highway 147, and he reported it to (Manitowoc County Sheriff's Sgt.) Andrew Colborn in person," Zellner told Patch.
(That's the same Colborn from that part of the documentary.)

Interesting, especially if it was reported to the police in person, that seems luke a huge deal. Weird that this had not been mentioned originally.

 

[Kaiterra]

Well, we're talking about a trial where the prosecutor said stuff like "reasonable doubt is for the innocent", or "even if the key was planted [...]"...
Which is why a new trial would be, well, nice.

Of note is that Wisconsin has pattern jury instructions (that were used in the Avery trial) that actually unconstitutionally discourage jurors from applying a standard of searching for reasonable doubt, something several judges in the state have even recognized and addressed in their courts: http://cicchinilawoffice.com/Wis_JI_140.html

It's pretty fucked up.

 

[CornBurrito]

Come the fuck on with this post dude. Do farmers douse the kittens in gasoline and burn them alive? If so, that's a very messed up way to deal with farm cats. I'm not inherently saying killing an animal automatically makes you a sociopath...

Anyway to you address your point further, Avery burned his family's cat alive for no valid reason (his excuse is the go-to "young, dumb and with the wrong crowd"). Couple that with the fact that this coward has a history of beating his wife/ex-fiance, allegedly choked his ex-fiance to the point of unconsciousness... take that how you will... at the end of the day Avery is still a shit human being.

No, they put them in a bag and then stomp on them to death. Or drown them.

How is crushing or drowning less violent?

Regardless, whether or not Avery is a piece of shit is ultimately irrelevant. The trial was clearly mishandled. If you go "so what" in this case, you have no right to ever protest injustice when the exact same tactics are used against others.

"He was no angel" is not an excuse for prosecutors fudging evidence.

 

[BronsonLee]

They found the car really, really fast, considering how large the yard was. And that's just one of the many odd details about that car and how it was discovered...

Edit:
And they keep coming:
"We have a Brady witness who reported seeing Teresa's car after the murder partially hidden off of State Highway 147, and he reported it to (Manitowoc County Sheriff's Sgt.) Andrew Colborn in person," Zellner told Patch.
(That's the same Colborn from that part of the documentary.)

oh my god fuckin' Colborn AGAIN