Man Arrested Over 'Nazi Salute Pug' Video

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Einchy said:
A guy saying gas the juice to a dog is so clearly a joke that I really don't see what the problem is.

The only problem here is that the UK thinks this is a worthy of arresting someone.
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"Gas the Jews".

Or...was it a way for him to say "Gas the Jews" and "Seig Heil" on video for two minutes and get it seen by as many people as possible? Promoting a racist agenda but using a dog to "legitimise" it?

Assuming, it turned out that he actually was a racist, would that change how you feel about the video?
 
Ninja Dom said:
"Gas the Jews".

Or...was it a way for him to say "Gas the Jews" and "Seig Heil" on video for two minutes and get it seen by as many people as possible? Promoting a racist agenda but using a dog to "legitimise" it?

Assuming, it turned out that he actually was a racist, would that change how you feel about the video?
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No I think you're looking too much into it. He did it because he thought having a dog do Nazi things would piss off his girlfriend.
 
Ninja Dom said:
"Gas the Jews".

Or...was it a way for him to say "Gas the Jews" and "Seig Heil" on video for two minutes and get it seen by as many people as possible? Promoting a racist agenda but using a dog to "legitimise" it?

Assuming, it turned out that he actually was a racist, would that change how you feel about the video?
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The back story is he did it as a shitty joke to wind his girlfriend up. Then the internet/media got a hold of it and went nuts. As they do.
 
Ninja Dom said:
"Gas the Jews".

Or...was it a way for him to say "Gas the Jews" and "Seig Heil" on video for two minutes and get it seen by as many people as possible? Promoting a racist agenda but using a dog to "legitimise" it?

Assuming, it turned out that he actually was a racist, would that change how you feel about the video?
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That was actually a typo.

Dude, he wasn't promoting a racist agenda, it's obviously a joke.

IF this guy was racist, which he clearly isn't, then the context would be completely different. So, yeah, if you completely change the context of something, I would feel differently about said thing because the context changed.

So, if this guy was racist and I would think, "this guy is a prick" and that's all. In no way shape or form would I want him to get arrested.

However, since this is a joke, I feel no ill feelings towards the guy the same way I feel no ill feelings towards someone doing a Nazi bit on a TV show.
 
kavanf1 said:
This is fucking stupid. People would laugh their arses off if something like this was in an episode of Always Sunny.

I'm not saying it's the guy's finest moment, clearly it's a stupid thing to have done. But wasting taxpayer's money arresting and processing him through the system because of him doing something moronic doesn't benefit anyone.
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pretty much.

it could have been pretty amusing if it was

a. much shorter
b. only contained the nazi salute.

repeatedly saying 'gas the jews' made the joke a groaner, but the tiny nazi salute was quite amusing.
 
McGreevious said:
No I think you're looking too much into it. He did it because he thought having a dog do Nazi things would piss off his girlfriend.
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kavanf1 said:
The back story is he did it as a shitty joke to wind his girlfriend up. Then the internet/media got a hold of it and went nuts. As they do.
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Oh yes I know. That's what he said at the start of the video.

BUT what if what he said at the start of the video wasn't true? And he really wanted to promote a racist agenda? But couldn't simply do that so used the whole dog and girlfriend story as an excuse?

Maybe I am looking too much into it...but I still ask that will your feelings for the video change if it were to somehow turn out that this guy was a racist?
 
Ninja Dom said:
Oh yes I know. That's what he said at the start of the video.

BUT what if what he said at the start of the video wasn't true? And he really wanted to promote a racist agenda? But couldn't simply do that so used the whole dog and girlfriend story as an excuse?

Maybe I am looking too much into it...but I still ask that will your feelings for the video change if it were to somehow turn out that this guy was a racist?
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I still wouldn't want him to be arrested if that's what you're asking. I don't think I've expressed any feelings towards the guy or the video, good or bad. I've only said that this doesn't warrant him being arrested, and that wouldn't change even if your random and baseless hypotheticals were true.

Like, the idea of someone being a secret racist, using their girlfriend and their dog and some made up story as an excuse to say 'Gas the jews' earnestly over and over is absurd.
 
Ah Police Scotland and the Procurator Fiscal.

Scotland in particular has some pretty scary enforcement of online speech. We've had people arrested for posting gallows humour type jokes. Offending someone should not be an arrest able offense.

Of course we're the home of the most ludicrous legislation in the world in the Offensive Behaviour Football Act (aka relatively few Catholics were getting arrested for sectarian offenses so lets invent a crime based on offense to even up the score), an act that makes certain types of behaviour arrest able only when you are at or travelling to watch football. Under that act you could have 3 people going to the football on the train running into a friend coming home from work and despite all four of them chanting offensive slogans only 3 would be subject to arrest.
 
Ninja Dom said:
Oh yes I know. That's what he said at the start of the video.

BUT what if what he said at the start of the video wasn't true? And he really wanted to promote a racist agenda? But couldn't simply do that so used the whole dog and girlfriend story as an excuse?

Maybe I am looking too much into it...but I still ask that will your feelings for the video change if it were to somehow turn out that this guy was a racist?
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Assuming all your baseless what ifs were true, then what? Would you want him to be arrested?
 
Ninja Dom said:
Oh yes I know. That's what he said at the start of the video.

BUT what if what he said at the start of the video wasn't true? And he really wanted to promote a racist agenda? But couldn't simply do that so used the whole dog and girlfriend story as an excuse?

Maybe I am looking too much into it...but I still ask that will your feelings for the video change if it were to somehow turn out that this guy was a racist?
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I think there are more important things - such as actual racism - to worry about. He said it's a joke, I don't see any reason not to take him at his word.

People getting worked up about stuff like this devalues the emphasis that should be placed on actual racism, it becomes a boy who cried wolf situation. It happens all the time online. People making a huge deal about inconsequential shit and making out as though anyone who doesn't care as much as they do is part of the problem.
 
Einchy said:
That was actually a typo.

Dude, he wasn't promoting a racist agenda, it's obviously a joke.

IF this guy was racist, which he clearly isn't, then the context would be completely different. So, yeah, if you completely change the context of something, I would feel differently about said thing because the context changed.

So, if this guy was racist and I would think, "this guy is a prick" and that's all. In no way shape or form would I want him to get arrested.

However, since this is a joke, I feel no ill feelings towards the guy the same way I feel no ill feelings towards someone doing a Nazi bit on a TV show.
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Remember, that this is a guy on the internet who we don't know. We don't even know his name. So making assumptions on his actual beliefs and past history is something we shouldn't do.

Of all the things he could have done in training the pug, that could have offended his girlfriend, why is a racist way the one he thought of? Is his girlfriend Jewish? Who knows? I understand he wanted the pug to cause maximum offence to his girlfriend. Maybe I'm answering my own question.
 
That video was the funniest thing I've seen all year. I can't speak to whether or not the dude is racist, and I don't care whether or not a racist should be prosecuted for being a racist online, but that video had me in stitches. I'm pretty sure that was at least a big part of his aim.
 
What a complete waste of time and money. GAF should know Scottish humour is often crude and offensive. See Frankie Boyle. Not saying this video is all that funny just most Scots know genuine assholes from wankers trying to be funny.

I can assure the outrage brigade there is an insanely good chance this guy is genuinely decent in every day life.
 
Ninja Dom said:
Remember, that this is a guy on the internet who we don't know. We don't even know his name. So making assumptions on his actual beliefs and past history is something we shouldn't do.

Of all the things he could have done in training the pug, that could have offended his girlfriend, why is a racist way the one he thought of? Is his girlfriend Jewish? Who knows? I understand he wanted the pug to cause maximum offence to his girlfriend. Maybe I'm answering my own question.
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So we shouldn't think he's not racist but our first inclination is to think that he actually is racist? I feel like that's something we shouldn't do. Why are you assuming this guy is both a racist and a liar?

And if he's a racist, why do you think his way of promoting said racism is to mock Hitler by teaching his dog to do the sieg heil salute.

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Come on
 
Audioboxer said:
What a complete waste of time and money. GAF should know Scottish humour is often crude and offensive. See Frankie Boyle. Not saying this video is all that funny just most Scots know genuine assholes from wankers trying to be funny.

I can assure the outrage brigade there is an insanely good chance this guy is genuinely decent in every day life.
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I live about ten miles from Coatbridge, and this is spot on. Scot humour is often as black as night, but there's rarely malice associated with it.
 
Absurd. It's a tasteless joke, and tasteless jokes should be protected by a free society.

It seems obvious that the victim of the satire and mockery here is the Nazis. This may be amateur hour compared to the finesse that John Cleese brought to the same endeavor, but it's a riff on the same theme. That speech should be protected, and so should this.
 
Ha, my dog used to do the same thing when he was younger and we made jokes about it looking like the nazi salute. Even my grandpa who has horrible childhood memories from WW2 found it funny



As for the news. Thank good taxpayer money is being used to keep dangerous criminals like this guy from the streets
 
kavanf1 said:
I live about ten miles from Coatbridge, and this is spot on. Scot humour is often as black as night, but there's rarely malice associated with it.
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Hello! Have a couple of family members who live in Coatbridge. I've moved down the coast to Ayr now.

And yeah you're spot on. The guy opens himself up to a lot of flak for making a private behind closed doors joke public, but again context is everything and you have to visit the link voluntarily. Also see how YT haven't pulled the video... I guess police in our country are going to be combing through YouTube comments next and looking up IP addresses.

I might report upset at these guys next for calling this poor animal a cunt and obviously scaring it senseless https://youtu.be/wVN4PRLrpsA

As for the dog, when you say things in an excited tone they often respond with excitement. Maybe a little bit of training to certain phrases and noises come into play, and it is a bit twisted, but the dog will be fine.

It's not something I'd ever do personally as I have more sense than this guy and leave dark humour to comedians with a career, but arresting him for it is just stupid. He should be open to criticism, mockery and distaste for going public, not handcuffs.
 
I think arresting this guy borders on police harrassment.

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It's getting daft in this country. Remember that guy having to go to court for saying he'd "blow Robin Hood airport sky high" if his girlfriend's flight was delayed? He was ultimately found not guilty, but what an ordeal for the poor guy. You'd think some lessons would have been learned from that.
 
QuicheFontaine said:
I think arresting this guy borders on police harrassment.

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It's getting daft in this country. Remember that guy having to go to court for saying he'd "blow Robin Hood airport sky high" if his girlfriend's flight was delayed? He was ultimately found not guilty, but what an ordeal for the poor guy. You'd think some lessons would have been learned from that.
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It is a bit strange given our countries history with comedians who go all out, and comedians who still do (frankie boyle, like him or not). Obviously Joe Bloggs in his home isn't a national comedian, but same principles of free speech have to apply universally. The blowback to trying to be a comedian is more than enough to shame/criticise and mock someone. Which I'm sure this guy would have had a ton of online, and in his community. That is how you "police" bad ideas and speech, not handcuffs (unless a genuine attack/threat can be established).

This starts to set a scary principle I'd never think our country would start to move ever closer to.
 
Audioboxer said:
Also see how YT haven't pulled the video...
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Quite telling. . . good enough for a criminal prosecution, not good enough for a simple takedown order. Perfect example of having your cake and eating it. Give someone a criminal record, don't have have to worry about following up on spending time/money on a wider scale.
 
Remember when we arrested Prince Harry and sentenced him to hard labour for dressing up as a nazi for fun? Oh wait, it's one law for them and another one for us. It's health and safety gone mad!
 
CadetMahoney said:
Quite telling. . . good enough for a criminal prosecution, not good enough for a simple takedown order. Perfect example of having your cake and eating it. Give someone a criminal record, don't have have to worry about following up on spending time/money on a wider scale.
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Going public with this video is sure to scare off 90% of employers, but that is a chance he takes if the video goes viral. However a criminal record is view-able by 100% of employers, and they don't even need to be aware of the video in the first place. Just the coppers hit the guy with a charge.

It's just insanity. At worst the police should have responded to complaints by liaising with YouTube to see if it breaks T&C. At the very worst checking the guys past. Not going gungho and arresting him on the basis of the video being hate speech, versus say explaining they found out he was the ringleader of a Nazi group wanted for prior violence/crime. He's clearly not, just another Scot with a foul mouth and a dark sense of humour (like a lot of our country...).

While I stand by it being stupid for most of the population to try and be a comedian with the heavy stuff given blowback and employer distaste if they google you, the real galling thing here is now comparing this to mainstream comedians or any films/tv making jokes about Hitler/the Jews and not seeing them all arrested.

BGBW said:
Remember when we arrested Prince Harry and sentenced him to hard labour for dressing up as a nazi for fun? Oh wait, it's one law for them and another one for us. It's health and safety gone mad!
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So my last comment is basically this! Makes the Police look rather stupid.
 
I have no problem with this, if it was just the dog and the video i'd be against it but since he kept saying gas the jews and shit sure arrest him.
 
Ninja Dom said:
So...there is no problem in a guy repeatedly asking "gas the jews?" for two minutes in a video. Everything is fine with this?
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*context*

He's training his dog to be a nazi. That's funny.

Just think about what you're getting outraged about here.
 
BGBW said:
Remember when we arrested Prince Harry and sentenced him to hard labour for dressing up as a nazi for fun? Oh wait, it's one law for them and another one for us. It's health and safety gone mad!
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It'd be easy to argue that what Harry did was worse since he was actually garbed in Nazi iconography, whereas this guy merely made comments in poor taste to HIS DOG.

Of course, both cases are nowhere near something that should be considered a crime, but the hypocrisy is evident.
 
QuicheFontaine said:
I think arresting this guy borders on police harrassment.

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It's getting daft in this country. Remember that guy having to go to court for saying he'd "blow Robin Hood airport sky high" if his girlfriend's flight was delayed? He was ultimately found not guilty, but what an ordeal for the poor guy. You'd think some lessons would have been learned from that.
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Yeah, same with girl who used the dumb "kill all men" meme. They seem really triggerhappy to jump on this kind off stuff
 
D4Danger said:
*context*

He's training his dog to be a nazi. That's funny.

Just think about what you're getting outraged about here.
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Exactly.

Training a dog to be a Nazi: Entertainment
Training a child to be a Nazi: Needs to be looked into
Training a cat to be a Nazi: Death penalty

Everything needs context.
 
It's at times like this that I praise Odin for the First Amendment where I can be ridiculed and fired for nonsense, but not criminally prosecuted.
 
BGBW said:
Remember when we arrested Prince Harry and sentenced him to hard labour for dressing up as a nazi for fun? Oh wait, it's one law for them and another one for us. It's health and safety gone mad!
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That is one law for us and one law for them..as Scotland has different laws and a different judicial system to England...
 
Fucked up what he is getting the dog to react to, even if it is a pug.

Your freedom of speech laws seriously suck though Britain.

Palette Swap said:
It's not too far fetched to imagine this trivialization of the holocaust would be hurtful to you if you lost family members to gas chambers?
At least, that's how I read it.
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In the "community"!? This isn't a guy on a soap box on a street corner, it's online.
 
oh my lord that's one hilarious video. 😂😂
I doubt he's racist. Who doesn't make fun of Nazis/Hitler stuff sometimes. The phrase "gas the jews" is pretty fucked up, but I think it's been long enough to make jokes about it.
 
Ninja Dom said:
Okay, so if he was training his dog to be a KKK member saying "hang the blacks" would that also be funny to you?
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Well the joke is done now so I doubt it will be as funny a second time around but maybe, yeah. It's hard to say without CONTEXT but the idea of a dog "learning" stupid stuff is funny because it's ridiculous.

I feel like I'm explaining a joke here which always makes it funnier (that was also a joke)
 
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