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[elrechazado]

There is actually a very good reason that the law is the way it is.

Think of it like this:

* Lady in good faith claims a man is father
* Father doesn't contest it, in fact, runs with it
* Father gets paternity test 20 years later
* Father then slaps mother with a suit for a couple million bucks.

The law is specifically in place to prevent a situation like this. You can't leave a time bomb in the law like this.

That's why as soon as the man accepted that he was the father without a paternity test he fucked himself. There's a reason why there's statute of limitations on civil cases and that's so that someone can't come along twenty years later can screw you over something that should have been long forgotten. His remedy was to take responsibility for his situation sooner.

Now, you may think that shouldn't there be a statute of limitations on the child support?
No because the guy here was technically evading child support until he got the paternity test. You don't get statute of limitations from a theoretically ongoing crime which is why he's still on the hook. It all comes down to irresponsible people being further irresponsible complaining about their irresponsibility coming back to bite them in the ass and turning into a "WTF FAMILY COURT FUCKING THE MAN/GREEDY WOMAN!" hatefest.

Bullet four doesn't follow at all. The choice doesn't have to be to unjustly retroactively fuck the man, or to force the woman to retro pay damages. Just erase the mutual obligations once paternity is determined. No cause of action against the woman who made a good faith claim. Not hard.

 

[B.O.O.M]

I genuinely feel like the Divorce/child support stuff in the US is really ass backwards

 

[entremet]

I genuinely feel like the Divorce/child support stuff in the US is really ass backwards

Compared to where?

 

[SyenceLabb]

I'm sure the guy that evaded child support payments until he was given a lucky out was surely waiting around for a summons or notice from Texas's equivalent of CPS.

And if you believe that I have a bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell you.

Did this guy piss in your corn flakes? You're talking like you know him personally.

 

[TheCochese]

Not victim-blaming, but just curious:



How exactly can money be taken out of someone's paycheck without them noticing and doing something about it?
I mean, don't people wonder where their money is going?

I never look at my pay stubs. Maybe once a year at the W-2. I have no real reason to, I know what I should be getting.

If I had a couple paychecks that were only that much short, I wouldn't have thought anything of it.

 

[entremet]

I never look at my pay stubs. Maybe once a year at the W-2. I have no real reason to, I know what I should be getting.

If I had a couple paychecks that were only that much short, I wouldn't have thought anything of it.

They’re all electronic for me. I need to login to some site I never access but once a year lol.

 

[DocSeuss]

There is actually a very good reason that the law is the way it is.

Think of it like this:

* Lady in good faith claims a man is father
* Father doesn't contest it, in fact, runs with it
* Father gets paternity test 20 years later
* Father then slaps mother with a suit for a couple million bucks.

The law is specifically in place to prevent a situation like this. You can't leave a time bomb in the law like this.

That's why as soon as the man accepted that he was the father without a paternity test he fucked himself. There's a reason why there's statute of limitations on civil cases and that's so that someone can't come along twenty years later can screw you over something that should have been long forgotten. His remedy was to take responsibility for his situation sooner.

Now, you may think that shouldn't there be a statute of limitations on the child support?
No because the guy here was technically evading child support until he got the paternity test. You don't get statute of limitations from a theoretically ongoing crime which is why he's still on the hook. It all comes down to irresponsible people being further irresponsible complaining about their irresponsibility coming back to bite them in the ass and turning into a "WTF FAMILY COURT FUCKING THE MAN/GREEDY WOMAN!" hatefest.

What a fucked up way of looking at things. Jeez.

The court is absolutely fucking the man, and the woman is absolutely greedy in this case.

Your argument hinges on his ability to remedy the situation, but the ability is limited by his knowledge of same. And he did not have knowledge of the situation. He's the victim. The state and the mother are the perpetrator. It's that simple.

Seems like a really simple remedy would be that in the case of any debates over paternity, there should always be a paternity test. Like, if any person goes "this person owes me child support," then the first thing that should be established is a paternity test. That way, you don't end up with a case where the father "doesn't know." Heck, once you get the results, have the court make him sign that he was given the results. Lots of ways to solve ridiculous situations like this.

 

[Earthbound64]

I never look at my pay stubs. Maybe once a year at the W-2. I have no real reason to, I know what I should be getting.

If I had a couple paychecks that were only that much short, I wouldn't have thought anything of it.

If you know what you should be getting, wouldn't you notice if it was different?
Or at least checked to see why it was different?

They're all electronic for me. I need to login to some site I never access but once a year lol.

...Why wouldn't you access it?
Do people not keep track of what's happening with their money?

 

[Rival]

I hope common sense intervenes and this gets reversed. But I doubt it will.

 

[Slayven]

Once you are in the system, you are in the system

 

[TheCochese]

They’re all electronic for me. I need to login to some site I never access but once a year lol.

Yup. With some arcane password requirements too.

If you know what you should be getting, wouldn't you notice if it was different?
Or at least checked to see why it was different?



...Why wouldn't you access it?
Do people not keep track of what's happening with their money?

I'm not sweating $30 on a paycheck.

 

[chaosblade]

I never look at my pay stubs. Maybe once a year at the W-2. I have no real reason to, I know what I should be getting.

If I had a couple paychecks that were only that much short, I wouldn't have thought anything of it.

Yeah, I was going to reply with this. If he had direct deposit it's entirely possible he never noticed because he never looked at the paystubs.

I certainly don't look at mine unless my deposit amount on the bank statement looks off. $31 wouldn't be enough to throw a red flag by itself. Maybe if my hours ended up a little low for the week so it was more than $31.

 

[jwk94]

If you know what you should be getting, wouldn't you notice if it was different?
Or at least checked to see why it was different?



...Why wouldn't you access it?
Do people not keep track of what's happening with their money?

I'm guessing you haven't hung out with young adult lol.

 

[Keri]

I'm not sweating $30 on a paycheck.

You should start sweating it, because it could mean that someone is collecting on a judgment against you and the longer it takes you to notice, the less and less likely it becomes you can have the judgment set aside.

Generally a good idea to pay attention to your paychecks, people.

 

[Phoenix]

Texas get your act together..

Seriously. What in the actual FUCK! How can you be forced to pay for child support for a child that isn't yours, yet the same people will mandate that no one should be forced to pay for health insurance.

 

[Sulik2]

You know what I think it might be time for mandatory DNA testing of all children born. Parents need to know if the kid is theirs if you are going to shovel heavy financial penalties against parents even if the kid is not theirs. Test at birth for all children, problem solved.

 

[TheCochese]

You should start sweating it, because it could mean that someone is collecting on a judgment against you and the longer it takes you to notice, the less and less likely it becomes you can have the judgment set aside.

Generally a good idea to pay attention to your paychecks, people.

Ok dad.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

There is actually a very good reason that the law is the way it is.

Think of it like this:

* Lady in good faith claims a man is father
* Father doesn't contest it, in fact, runs with it
* Father gets paternity test 20 years later
* Father then slaps mother with a suit for a couple million bucks.

The law is specifically in place to prevent a situation like this. You can't leave a time bomb in the law like this.

That's why as soon as the man accepted that he was the father without a paternity test he fucked himself. There's a reason why there's statute of limitations on civil cases and that's so that someone can't come along twenty years later can screw you over something that should have been long forgotten. His remedy was to take responsibility for his situation sooner.

Now, you may think that shouldn't there be a statute of limitations on the child support?
No because the guy here was technically evading child support until he got the paternity test. You don't get statute of limitations from a theoretically ongoing crime which is why he's still on the hook. It all comes down to irresponsible people being further irresponsible complaining about their irresponsibility coming back to bite them in the ass and turning into a "WTF FAMILY COURT FUCKING THE MAN/GREEDY WOMAN!" hatefest.

So how about you do one of two things when you want child support. One, have the father uncontest it or two do a paternity test.

 

[entremet]

If you know what you should be getting, wouldn't you notice if it was different?
Or at least checked to see why it was different?



...Why wouldn't you access it?
Do people not keep track of what's happening with their money?

Yes, but I don’t worry about pretax stuff. That’s settled. I also get commission statements that give me the details. All my bills and budget are on autopilot.

 

[Keri]

Ok dad.

Mom. And you're welcome.

 

[old]

We've seen cases like this before but they were cases where the guy acted like he was a kids father for years and provided for the kid likewise.

Here he was not part of this kids life nor provided for the kid. That's ridiculous.

 

[NintendoGal]

Yep, my friend is going through the same kinda shit. Kid isn't his, tested and everything. Because he just tried to do the right thing and just started paying, they said well you already are paying, so you're on the hook for all of it now!

 

[GK86]

What a fucked up situation. I wish him all the luck in the world to fight this.

 

[Sir Abacus]

Bullet four doesn't follow at all. The choice doesn't have to be to unjustly retroactively fuck the man, or to force the woman to retro pay damages. Just erase the mutual obligations once paternity is determined. No cause of action against the woman who made a good faith claim. Not hard.

What a fucked up way of looking at things. Jeez.

The court is absolutely fucking the man, and the woman is absolutely greedy in this case.

Your argument hinges on his ability to remedy the situation, but the ability is limited by his knowledge of same. And he did not have knowledge of the situation. He's the victim. The state and the mother are the perpetrator. It's that simple.

Seems like a really simple remedy would be that in the case of any debates over paternity, there should always be a paternity test. Like, if any person goes "this person owes me child support," then the first thing that should be established is a paternity test. That way, you don't end up with a case where the father "doesn't know." Heck, once you get the results, have the court make him sign that he was given the results. Lots of ways to solve ridiculous situations like this.

You forget that when he de facto acknowledges paternity and it is proven false later you have basically screwed the mother and the state to find the proper father way back when. Someone has to be responsible for the kid, he de facto acknowledged it. There's no way around this without a very good lawyer.

 

[Phu]

If you know what you should be getting, wouldn't you notice if it was different?
Or at least checked to see why it was different?

...Why wouldn't you access it?
Do people not keep track of what's happening with their money?

If there's variation on your paycheck anyway, you may not notice a difference of 30 bucks. Union dues this week, OT next week, seasonal bonus here, uniform bonus there, 401k, etc....

 

[TheCochese]

Mom. And you're welcome.

Whatever.

 

[entremet]

Yep, my friend is going through the same kinda shit. Kid isn't his, tested and everything. Because he just tried to do the right thing and just started paying, they said well you already are paying, so you're on the hook for all of it now!

The state loves it money. So I doubt this guy will get off the hook either.

 

[TriangularDuck]

Beyond the guy getting screwed over this is the kinda thing the alt right points to in terms of males getting fucked by the system.

Getting fucked over by court systems is pretty gender-neutral.

 

[Fuchsdh]

Beyond the guy getting screwed over this is the kinda thing the alt right points to in terms of males getting fucked by the system.

Yeah, this is actually court bullshit that the men's rights groups should be highlighting and fighting instead of sending death threats to women.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

You'd think maladjusted red pill/MRA types would be out protesting in the streets and setting up a patreon for this guy right?

Or would that make them *gasp* SJWs?

Of all men's rights, family court and resources for victims of domestic violence/sexual assault are two areas that are truly lacking. The current Texas law is just flat out unjust and ignores scientific evidence and personal responsibility for the sake of tying up loose ends.

 

[rjinaz]

Yep, my friend is going through the same kinda shit. Kid isn't his, tested and everything. Because he just tried to do the right thing and just started paying, they said well you already are paying, so you're on the hook for all of it now!

Damn that's rough. The guy feels bad because he knows there isn't a Father and money is likely tight, so he decides to just pay it until the paperwork gets sorted out, but because he paid it, he's now deemed responsible. No good deed...

 

[entremet]

Yeah, this is actually court bullshit that the men's rights groups should be highlighting and fighting instead of sending death threats to women.

Mra’s don’t really do activism lol. Funny since it’s in the name. Well rather predictable.

 

[Sir Abacus]

Of all men's rights, family court and resources for victims of domestic violence/sexual assault are two areas that are truly lacking. The current Texas law is just flat out unjust and ignores scientific evidence and personal responsibility for the sake of tying up loose ends.

It's not tying up loose ends, it's a kid that needs the support of a parent.

If you don't want the responsibility get the paternity test at the time?!? Or when they start garnishing your wages?

It's not like he had to go find the Holy fucking Grail to get rid of the whole thing.

 

[NintendoGal]

Damn that's rough. The guy feels bad because he knows there isn't a Father and money is likely tight, so he decides to just pay it until the paperwork gets sorted out, but because he paid it, he's now deemed responsible. No good deed...

It really makes me irrationally angry because it's not like he was looking to ditch out ever if it was his responsibility. And agreed on the no good deed part, it's depressing.

 

[Kintaco]

If you know what you should be getting, wouldn't you notice if it was different?
Or at least checked to see why it was different?



...Why wouldn't you access it?
Do people not keep track of what's happening with their money?

A lot of people get direct deposit and rarely look at their stubs. This is not unusual. Also not everyone gets paid the exact amount every paycheck. People work different amounts of hours. Others get paid on the 15th and last of the month, so with fluctuating days the pay also fluctuates.

 

[elrechazado]

You forget that when he de facto acknowledges paternity and it is proven false later you have basically screwed the mother and the state to find the proper father way back when. Someone has to be responsible for the kid, he de facto acknowledged it. There's no way around this without a very good lawyer.

. Gee wiz, I was hit and run. My neighbor must have done it, so I get a default automatic judgement that he can take the time and burden of proof on himself to prove it wasn't him. If it turns out it wasn't him, fuck him, someone has to pay because nobody ever found out who it really was.
The law is wrong, a good lawyer is irrelevant. Burden of proof is on the claimant in just about every context in civil and criminal law. Where it isn't, whether by automatic paternity judgement or civil forfeiture, you get Injustice. No need to try to pretend it is anything else.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

It's not tying up loose ends, it's a kid that needs the support of a parent.

If you don't want the responsibility get the paternity test at the time?!? Or when they start garnishing your wages?

It's not like he had to go find the Holy fucking Grail to get rid of the whole thing.

The paternity test result should void all associated costs and penalties.

This is like a judge demanding you finish out your prison sentence or stay on a sex offender registry after DNA exonerated you of murder and rape, because someone obviously did the crime and we don't have him yet so you'll do just fine.

 

[chaosblade]

It's not tying up loose ends, it's a kid that needs the support of a parent.

If you don't want the responsibility get the paternity test at the time?!? Or when they start garnishing your wages?

It's not like he had to go find the Holy fucking Grail to get rid of the whole thing.

So the state fucking up doesn't matter at all? Guy messes up by not noticing a $30 difference on three checks so he's punished with $65k in backpay for child support. State fucks up by not giving any notice and that's 100% fine because the guy should have just known to be looking out for random garnishments that started and stopped out of nowhere.

 

[Ganhyun]

Just gonna say the mother has to know who the daddy likely is since its obviously not the guy here.

 

[Stinkles]

What's sad is this is normal. This isn't an anomaly.

Receipts or stfu

 

[Sir Abacus]

. Gee wiz, I was hit and run. My neighbor must have done it, so I get a default automatic judgement that he can take the time and burden of proof on himself to prove it wasn't him. If it turns out it wasn't him, fuck him, someone has to pay because nobody ever found out who it really was.
The law is wrong, a good lawyer is irrelevant. Burden of proof is on the claimant in just about every context in civil and criminal law. Where it isn't, whether by automatic paternity judgement or civil forfeiture, you get Injustice. No need to try to pretend it is anything else.

The thing is, if you took your neighbor to court for some stupid reason and they didn't show up you would get a default judgement against them. Setting aside that default judgement is still a ridiculously difficult thing to do even if you have the facts on your side.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Not victim-blaming, but just curious:



How exactly can money be taken out of someone's paycheck without them noticing and doing something about it?
I mean, don't people wonder where their money is going?

When you make enough $30 isn't significant enough for many people to investigate.

 

[Fuchsdh]

Mra’s don’t really do activism lol. Funny since it’s in the name. Well rather predictable.

Oh I know. 'Tis sad and pathetic.

 

[Conkersbadfurday]

Not victim-blaming, but just curious:



How exactly can money be taken out of someone's paycheck without them noticing and doing something about it?
I mean, don't people wonder where their money is going?

Well speaking personally, I almost never look at my check stubs. My work just auto pays me, so I don't get paper or anything. It's all through emails. I check my bank statement but not the email with the specific info.

Were this happening to me I'd never know. I just assume my work ain't gonna fuck me over, and if they do, it'll be an amount I notice.

 

[Cat Party]

But he said he was not made aware that he was the alleged father until last year..

People always say this. Doesn't make it true.

 

[elrechazado]

The thing is, if you took your neighbor to court for some stupid reason and they didn't show up you would get a default judgement against them. Setting aside that default judgement is still a ridiculously difficult thing to do even if you have the facts on your side.

Yeah setting that aside, since that's the main distinction I was highlighting with my hypothetical. In the child support context it's already demonstrably easy to get the judgement based on assertion with no scientific evidence. Hence the problem and my analogy.

 

[ItIsOkBro]

why did the wage garnishing stop after 3 cheques?

anyhow, this guy shouldn't have to pay

 

[Sir Abacus]

Yeah setting that aside, since that's the main distinction I was highlighting with my hypothetical. In the child support context it's already demonstrably easy to get the judgement based on assertion with no scientific evidence. Hence the problem and my analogy.

One must show up to contest the facts if they wish to contest the facts.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Damn that sucks. Hopefully he can get out of it.

Side note to speak on the side convo going on here. Hopefully one day our gender will realize the more we box women and oppress their rights in order to maintain male dominance the more it hurts us. The more we as a society state that women are the "fairer sex" and are more naturally "nurturing" and are supposed to be the ones who cook, clean, take care of the kids, etc (and that's why they deserve to earn less) the more it hurts us in this area.

 

[perfectchaos007]

This is basically telling guys to resist marrying hard working single moms who are still looking for love.