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[GeorgioCostanzaX]

Definitely look it up on YouTube... or watch the Rebels episode. And yes like I said it depends on how attached Disney is to it. They seem to be not focusing on it tho.

But yes. Ashoka is killed in a duel with Vader if not for Ezra saving her and pulling her into the world between worlds. And Ashoka looking for Ezra in the current Disney + timeline of Star Wars shows allows it to be used again.

The Rebels show makes clear that you can’t change everything because of the effects. However a not to distant future were someone realizes they can stop The Emperor when he is weak after RotJ... perhaps another Sith Lord. Or maybe a Sith Lord working with a Thrawn perhaps.

Honestly I’d rather they just retcon the ST to be cool with the series: they have a blank 30 year canvas to focus on stories that aren’t Luke, Leia and Han and do shit like the Thrawn Trilogy with different characters if they want.

People wanted Luke kicking ass they got it. Overall releasing a better cut of TROS with all the scenes they cut from the book (or just redoing the ending battle to show the Jedi as rumored) would fix 90% of my problems with that movie. That and making Chewie stay dead.

 

[Master Of Illusion]

The more I think about it, the more that finale (and this season) pisses me off.

I loved season one, and there were 2 episodes this season (the Frog Lady & Bill Burr one) that opened the galaxy to more adventurous possibilities again; but with every single one of those moments comes some nonsense like Boba Fett being around and throwing him around like some Gen X-er's action figure instead of anything meaningful to his own story/the larger picture at hand, Ahsoka showing up for her "I can't take him" moment because fuck you this is an ad for my own TV show, continuing to make Empire forces/Stormtroopers dumb as tenselessness shit just because it's the status quo and they have to beat the horse's corpse to paste, and LUKE SKYWALKER COMING THE FUCK OUT OF NOWHERE just because they either A). Wrote themselves into a corner and took the easy way out or B). See that TLJ whining is still alive and well and felt compelled to make those said complaining dude-bros shut the fuck up by inversely having them add fuel to the fire by screaming The Mandalorian fixes TLJ by FINALLY giving us a scene where Luke fucking slaughters guys like a FUCKING BADASS FUCKING JEDI WARRIOR, DUDE. That's what being a Jedi is all about: fucking CUTTING GUYS UP. Crushing a motherfucker with the force. Absolutely tearing through platoons of guys and then wading through a knee deep slurry of their viscera, as laid out in the Sacred Jedi Texts. I never got that Darth Vader was supposed to be a scary guy in the OT until Rogue One showed me that he could actually FUCKING BLAST SEVERAL DUDES IN A HALLWAY, and now Disney has done the same for Luke. Star Wars is in safe hands. This is the same shit as Ghost Luke catching the saber in TROS being like "A Jedi's weapon should be treated with ｒｅｓｐｅｃｔ　れ゚ぃ." It's transparent what they're doing (or being lazy fucks in trying not to do) and I can see right through that shit. And in turn, it completely cheapens the relationship between the two main characters of the goddamn show because what is supposed to be their emotional separation is dampened by Space Jesus. I LOVE Luke, Luke is that king shit, but I'm not gonna pretend to cum my pants over an asspull of legendary proportions.

I hope Season 3 and that Ahsoka and New Republic show prove me wrong (fuck that Book of Boba Fett Yogurt "moichendising"-ass shit), but as of Friday they're falling into the same trap of succumbing to JJ-isms & memberberries again. If this is the direction every single Star Wars property succumbs to (which I still hold a semblance of some optimism that it won't), then get me the fuck off this ship.

 

[Calcium]

Honestly I’d rather they just retcon the ST to be cool. People wanted Luke kicking ass they got it. Overall releasing a better cut of TROS with all the scenes they cut from the book (or just redoing the ending battle to show the Jedi as rumored) would fix 90% of my problems with that movie. That and making Chewie stay dead.

They have 30 years of playroom to do Thrawn and even Heir to the Empire isn’t unfeasible if they just go CGI Luke Route or make it 100% animated.

A new cut of TROS doesn't do anything to fix The Last Jedi or the awkward reboot of A New Hope that the Force Awakens turned out to be.

The sequel trilogy is just an incoherent mess made by people that didn't care about honoring the legacy of Star Wars as much as they valued putting their own mark on the saga. I'll never understand why they handled things the way they did, making Han and Luke utter failures that abandoned their loved ones was infuriating.

 

[GeorgioCostanzaX]

A new cut of TROS doesn't do anything to fix The Last Jedi or the awkward reboot of A New Hope that the Force Awakens turned out to be.

The sequel trilogy is just an incoherent mess made by people that didn't care about honoring the legacy of Star Wars as much as they valued putting their own mark on the saga. I'll never understand why they handled things the way they did, making Han and Luke utter failures that abandoned their loved ones was infuriating.

Its done though and a lot can change in 30 years including all the actors: if Lucas wanted to do the adventures of young Luke he should have made it in 1992...and even then Mark Hamill was chunky wing commander 3 size and saving his career through voiceover like the Joker, Harrison Ford was too big a star, and Carrie Fisher was drugging herself to death.

By 2015 and the ST The actors were too fucking old (and dead) to give you what you want unless they did an entire series set 10 years after ROTJ with CGI faces: did you really want that? I’d rather they just move on and focus on the new characters established in Mando and let them have the Timothy Zhan adventure time show with CGI cameos. JJ’s era is dumb but so was the gap between ATOC and ROTS before Clone Wars made the prequels make sense.

 

[Calcium]

Its done though and a lot can change in 30 years including all the actors: if Lucas wanted to do the adventures of young Luke he should have made it in 1992.

With the ST The actors were too fucking old (and dead) to give you what you want unless they do an entire series with CGI faces: do you really want that? I’d rather they just move on and focus on the new characters established in Mando and let them have the Timothy Zhan adventure time show with cameos.

I don't want the older actors to do anything they aren't physically capable of doing, I just want them to resemble the characters from the original trilogy. The sequel trilogy disregarded all the character development for Han and Luke from the original trilogy. Luke should have been the Obi Wan or even Yoda figure for the next generation of characters, but they couldn't even give us that.

 

[GeorgioCostanzaX]

I don't want the older actors to do anything they aren't physically capable of doing, I just want them to resemble the characters from the original trilogy. The sequel trilogy disregarded all the character development for Han and Luke from the original trilogy. Luke should have been the Obi Wan or even Yoda figure for the next generation of characters, but they couldn't even give us that.

I agree but it’s done, Carie’s dead so the best they can do is just move on and let Favreau and Filoni give you that. There’s 30 years of blank space to build Luke up and then tear it down so his state in TLJ actually makes sense. Hell they made sense of Snoke in one establishing shot and hologram over the span of 2 minutes in The Siege.

 

[Calcium]

I agree but it’s done, Carie’s dead so the best they can do is just move on and let Favreau and Filoni give you that. There’s 30 years of blank space to build Luke up and then tear it down so his state in TLJ actually makes sense. Hell they made sense of Snoke in one establishing shot and hologram over the span of 2 minutes in The Siege.

If they are capable of justifying TLJ Luke I'd be shocked. They'd have to bring back Mara Jade and have Kylo kill his family too for the dude to completely break down like that.

What is "The Siege" thing you are referring to?

 

[GeorgioCostanzaX]

If they are capable of justifying TLJ Luke I'd be shocked. They'd have to bring back Mara Jade and have Kylo kill his family too for the dude to completely break down like that.

What is "The Siege" thing you are referring to?

That hologram where the Clone Doc explains why they need baby Yoda’s blood and the clone tanks. That’s either a tell for Heir to the Empire and Thrawn with a crazy ass Jedi clone or more likely the explanation for why the emperor is basically Sauron floating around as a force ghost until they can get a clone stable enough for him to jump into.

 

[Calcium]

That hologram where the Clone Doc explains why they need baby Yoda’s blood and the clone tanks. That’s either a tell for Heir to the Empire and Thrawn with a crazy ass Jedi clone or more likely the explanation for why the emperor is basically Sauron floating around as a force ghost until they can get a clone stable enough for him to jump into.

Oh, damn, I thought you were referring to some other Star Wars thing. Like how the Emperor's message from TROS was broadcast in Fortnite of all things. Yeah, I can see how this could be a lead up to explaining the Snoke nonsense.

 

[-Arcadia-]

They should probably just not acknowledge the sequel trilogy, while to continuing to create awesome post-Jedi story. It technically fits in, which keeps the Disney leads that oversaw such things happy, but works for people who have decanonized the sequels too.

 

[Romulus]

This isn't even close to the end of Luke

 

[desertdroog]

The whole Mandalore, dark saber, and imperial secret project were never explained still. They have lot of stuff to cover. They basically ended with a huge problem as the Mando is the holder of the dark saber and rightful ruler of the Mandalorians with Bo wanting it. Gideon is still alive with an unexplained cloning project with force user blood.

The Dark Sabre is introduced and explored in the Clone Wars 3D animated series. There are still larger questions that you bring up, but if you watched that series you understood a lot of what wasn't said regarding its importance.

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

Isn't a major problem with deep fakes is that is uses real footage and images for it's "faking", where as stuff like Rogue One and this CG tech is basically creating a digital mask of a character. Deepfakes from what Iunderstand creates an issue with using a likeness, using footage and such from other sources which can be tricky legally for use in a major production.

Interesting, I wonder if that's the case, concerning the legal rights. One of the great benefits to that difference, of course, is also that there is a real actor doing the scene on camera, who will always move much more convincingly than anything we've seen in CGI, even if their face is later replaced.

 

[BattleMonkey]

They should probably just not acknowledge the sequel trilogy, while to continuing to create awesome post-Jedi story. It technically fits in, which keeps the Disney leads that oversaw such things happy, but works for people who have decanonized the sequels too.

With what they are doing and Mandos huge success, it seems they are switching gears to basically go Marvel with the Mando being their new stepping off point. Now 3 spin offs directly tied to it and probably will see more done to tie in together.

I think it sucks they are just ignoring the ST completely right now, perhaps they are just focusing on whats selling essentially, perhaps go and revisit the ST later on.

 

[GeorgioCostanzaX]

With what they are doing and Mandos huge success, it seems they are switching gears to basically go Marvel with the Mando being their new stepping off point. Now 3 spin offs directly tied to it and probably will see more done to tie in together.

I think it sucks they are just ignoring the ST completely right now, perhaps they are just focusing on whats selling essentially, perhaps go and revisit the ST later on.

Yeah and with Obi-Wan Lando and Andor they’re doubling down on Pre-OT as well...can’t say I have too much of a problem with it since Solo didn’t work as a film franchise but they may get to do the Maul stuff anyway.
Or

 

[Captain Zyrain]

That hologram where the Clone Doc explains why they need baby Yoda’s blood and the clone tanks. That’s either a tell for Heir to the Empire and Thrawn with a crazy ass Jedi clone or more likely the explanation for why the emperor is basically Sauron floating around as a force ghost until they can get a clone stable enough for him to jump into.

Good lord. Do they have the balls to do that? I just got hard all over again.

And I think the Luke CG was fine, I don't think anything would have looked right since we all KNOW it's not really him. I think Sebastian Stan would be fine, even good, in the role.. but again it wouldn't be the same. I am fine with them doing this with Luke as needed in short amounts. If they wanted to make him a big part of a series, they'd likely need to find a better solution, but I also don't think Luke needs to be the focus.

I am surprised they don't use the Holo-messaging more, since you could really hide details in there.

Ultimately, all of this FEELS like Star Wars to me, which the sequel trilogy only hit on a few times here and there. I am completely enjoying it and can't wait for more.

 

[sol_bad]

You watch when John and Dave show Luke change to the grumble bum he is in the sequel trilogy. This psychotic fan base will turn on the 2 of them in an instant and call them a bunch fucking fuckwitted fuckheads and wish for their firing from their jobs and their deaths.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

You watch when John and Dave show Luke change to the grumble bum he is in the sequel trilogy. This psychotic fan base will turn on the 2 of them in an instant and call them a bunch fucking fuckwitted fuckheads and wish for their firing from their jobs and their deaths.

If they can find a way to make Luke's sequel trilogy arc believable and honest, they will truly be miracle workers.

 

[Werewolf Jones]

You watch when John and Dave show Luke change to the grumble bum he is in the sequel trilogy. This psychotic fan base will turn on the 2 of them in an instant and call them a bunch fucking fuckwitted fuckheads and wish for their firing from their jobs and their deaths.

Not their fault that the Canon is unfortunately stuck this way if it happens. Thanks, Rian.

 

[Cocksman]

This isn't even close to the end of Luke

they better put ALL the money into that cgi tech. while seeing young Luke was extremely cool, The effects were not even slightly convincing. As soon as his mouth started moving it all fell apart .

 

[Romulus]

they better put ALL the money into that cgi tech. while seeing young Luke was extremely cool, The effects were not even slightly convincing. As soon as his mouth started moving it all fell apart .

Sebastian Stan or Deepfake is waaaaay better than CGI.


Sebastian

Obviously its not a 100% match but about as close as we can get, and a bonus is that Sebastian is a great actor.

 

[-Arcadia-]

You watch when John and Dave show Luke change to the grumble bum he is in the sequel trilogy. This psychotic fan base will turn on the 2 of them in an instant and call them a bunch fucking fuckwitted fuckheads and wish for their firing from their jobs and their deaths.

‘More people disagreed with me than agreed about a Star Wars movie. It greatly upset me, so I began to craft a projected fiction casting them as the enemies of humanity, to protect my worldview.’

 

[-Arcadia-]

In before he uses the couple of meaningless Twitter death threats we see for literally anything, and that general method, to paint the entire Star Wars fandom in his preferred light.

 

[-Arcadia-]

Sebastian Stan or Deepfake is waaaaay better than CGI.


Sebastian

Obviously its not a 100% match but about as close as we can get, and a bonus is that Sebastian is a great actor.

I literally had no idea that nature decided to clone Mark Hamill, and it was an actor I liked. If he really does look this close, it should be under consideration.

I think the CG was fine for a brief scene, but not so much for one where Luke is bearing all the weight as the main character. Unless they can develop the tech (and find a way to make it inexpensive enough for TV), but it’s been imperfect going back to Rogue One.

 

[Leyasu]

Just binged the second season. I thought that it was great.

 

[sol_bad]

‘More people disagreed with me than agreed about a Star Wars movie. It greatly upset me, so I began to craft a projected fiction casting them as the enemies of humanity, to protect my worldview.’

You know it's true. The haters want the sequel trilogy erased and the closer these series get to the sequel trilogy and the closer that reality gets to Disney not erasing the sequel trilogy the angrier they'll get.

 

[-Arcadia-]

You know it's true. The haters want the sequel trilogy erased and the closer these series get to the sequel trilogy and the closer that reality gets to Disney not erasing the sequel trilogy the angrier they'll get.

Not what I said. That’s actually the reasonable statement you should have made in the first place.

 

[GreyHorace]

You know it's true. The haters want the sequel trilogy erased and the closer these series get to the sequel trilogy and the closer that reality gets to Disney not erasing the sequel trilogy the angrier they'll get.

And you and sugar mommy Kathleen will be celebrating big time.

Keep sucking that vagine, simp.

 

[Leyasu]

I haven’t read any pages or posts in this thread. So I might upset people with this post.

But I thoroughly enjoyed both seasons of this. Like I thought that it was great from start to finish. And if this is going to be the quality of Star Wars spin offs for streaming that Disney is going to do, then fucking bring it on and keep em rolling.

Amazing spin off.

My partner loved it to.

 

[sol_bad]

And you and sugar mommy Kathleen will be celebrating big time.

Keep sucking that vagine, simp.

Hey, "simp" is banned!!!!
lol

 

[ManaByte]

You know it's true. The haters want the sequel trilogy erased and the closer these series get to the sequel trilogy and the closer that reality gets to Disney not erasing the sequel trilogy the angrier they'll get.

People said the EXACT SAME THING about Disney and the Prequels.

 

[Stouffers]

I really loved that episode too. Highlights included...

1. The Dark Trooper trying to punch Mandos face in and his helmet denting the wall.
2. The fight for the dark saber and learning the lore behind it.
3. Luke showing up. It felt great to see him after so long - and demonstrating his real power.
4. The Mando and baby Yoda farewell...


5. Boba sitting on his new throne at the end. Its a bummer that he probably wont have Twi'lek stripper slaves around, but at least Disney had the balls to acknowledge that they still exist.

I'd also much rather watch a whole movie starring a dodgy-faced cgi Luke, than anything with post-OT movie characters.

Don’t worry man.. I cried more than i did when Smurette died in the last Smurf movie. That was an embarrassing afternoon at the movies

 

[lachesis]

I am a sucker for child-parent separation thing being a dad, and having lived away/independent from parents from very young age of 15 - Just re-watched the the final episode... and I was tearing up once again when I was seeing Mando lets baby Yoda to go. (Just thinking about it makes me tear up) My daughter, who is also a Star Wars fan and was sitting next to me, asked why I was tearing up - and told her because I love her so much.

As much as I loved Luke's comeback - my heart is torn. But I'm so excited what will happen from now on. I do want to see more story regarding how there are two extreme differences like secular Bo-katan, and ones like Mando, and more stories regarding the traditions of Mandalorians of Mando's kind. As much as I was quite disappoitned with Ep 7/8/9- but my hopes are definitely up for the upcoming stories.

But man... why couldn't KK do the same thing for the actual movies? Geez...

 

[Stouffers]

My daughter, who is also a Star Wars fan and was sitting next to me, asked why I was tearing up - and told her because I love her so much.

Did she respond with:

 

[lachesis]

Did she respond with:

Lol, I also think she probably don't think about me at all - but you know the parental love is always one way.

 

[sol_bad]

People said the EXACT SAME THING about Disney and the Prequels.

Do you mean delete the prequels and pretend they were never made?

 

[ManaByte]

Do you mean delete the prequels and pretend they were never made?

Yup in the lead up to The Force Awakens that was the narrative online. Before YouTubers discovered they could make money trashing the Sequels, they were claiming that the movies would erase the Prequels starting with TFA.

 

[Bryank75]

Fantastic episode, I was a 'little' emotional....

Loved this music;



and the start-up music for the Dark Troopers was really cool too.

I think they need to label the new trilogy as some alternate 'dark timeline' or something and let Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau build these series up to a new film or film trilogy that expands the universe instead of what the new sequels did, which was regress, repeat and make the universe smaller.

 

[ManaByte]

I think they need to label the new trilogy as some alternate 'dark timeline' or something and let Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau build these series up to a new film or film trilogy that expands the universe instead of what the new sequels did, which was regress, repeat and make the universe smaller.

It seems like Taika Waititi's movie is set far, far, far into the future. And then the books, comics, and Acolyte are now focusing on the High Republic (500 years before the Prequels). So aside from the Mando spin-offs; everything else is going away from the Skywalker time period.

 

[Bryank75]

It seems like Taika Waititi's movie is set far, far, far into the future. And then the books, comics, and Acolyte are now focusing on the High Republic (500 years before the Prequels). So aside from the Mando spin-offs; everything else is going away from the Skywalker time period.

Well, I am happy with that. It's safe and Taika is a great director... I can't really fault any of the recent moves...

I'm pretty excited to see what Taika does.

 

[ManaByte]

Well, I am happy with that. It's safe and Taika is a great director... I can't really fault any of the recent moves...

I'm pretty excited to see what Taika does.

Even the rumored plot of Rian Johnson's trilogy sounded good (set long before even KOTOR at the dawn of Hyperspace).

 

[Bryank75]

Even the rumored plot of Rian Johnson's trilogy sounded good (set long before even KOTOR at the dawn of Hyperspace).

I didn't hear much about it but despite how I feel about the new films, I think he is a good director and I'd love to see what he could contribute to the lore at that level. He deserves another chance and he could set things straight with the fans.... not that it's about that but it could be a byproduct.

 

[oagboghi2]

I enjoyed the episode. I'm suprised they went all CG witha certain character instead of recasting. I guess that means we aren't going to see Grogo show up in any of the spinoff shows

Yup in the lead up to The Force Awakens that was the narrative online. Before YouTubers discovered they could make money trashing the Sequels, they were claiming that the movies would erase the Prequels starting with TFA.

This is a lie. No one was claiming the prequels would be erased.

I know you have an irrational hatred for anyone with a youtube channel, but can you stop with this shit

 

[oagboghi2]

You watch when John and Dave show Luke change to the grumble bum he is in the sequel trilogy. This psychotic fan base will turn on the 2 of them in an instant and call them a bunch fucking fuckwitted fuckheads and wish for their firing from their jobs and their deaths.

I love that people despising that sequel trilogy still burns you up this much, and seeing the mandalorian do what Kathleen Kennedy couldn't with 3 movies is hillarious.

 

[sol_bad]

Yup in the lead up to The Force Awakens that was the narrative online. Before YouTubers discovered they could make money trashing the Sequels, they were claiming that the movies would erase the Prequels starting with TFA.

Sheesh
They aren't the best movies but they are still entertaining and far far from the worst things in cinematic history. Same with the sequel trilogy, far from the worst things in cinematic history. I'm not one of those people that pretend things don't exist. I'm sure one day we'll get stories set after the sequel trilogy as well.

I love that people despising that sequel trilogy still burns you up this much, and seeing the mandalorian do what Kathleen Kennedy couldn't with 3 movies is hillarious.

Dude, read my earlier post, Kathleen Kennedy is the reason Mandalorian exists. She liked the story Favreau presented and she asked him to talk to Feloni to work on the story. Favreau and Feloni presented whatever they presented and Kathleen Kennedy greenlit the show. She had the power to shut down and bin that idea.

Shit on Kennedy as much as you want but you need to praise her when praise is due.

 

[ManaByte]

I enjoyed the episode. I'm suprised they went all CG witha certain character instead of recasting. I guess that means we aren't going to see Grogo show up in any of the spinoff shows

This is a lie. No one was claiming the prequels would be erased.

I know you have an irrational hatred for anyone with a youtube channel, but can you stop with this shit

From 2013:

The 'Star Wars' Movie Idea Lucasfilm Should Consider: Remake The Prequels - SlashFilm

Amid all the rumors and speculation about what Disney and Lucasfilm will be doing with the Star Wars franchise, there's one simple idea that hasn't often been brought up. This idea doesn’t involve spinning off characters from the original trilogy nor does it involve continuing the story after...

www.slashfilm.com

Before TFA peope wanted Disney to remake or retcon the Prequels. That didn’t happen so now the narrative has moved to the Sequels. In 5-10 years it’ll then switch to whatever the new Star Wars is then. It’s a cycle that’s been going on since the Special Editions were announced in 1996.

 

[GreyHorace]

Sheesh
They aren't the best movies but they are still entertaining and far far from the worst things in cinematic history. Same with the sequel trilogy, far from the worst things in cinematic history. I'm not one of those people that pretend things don't exist. I'm sure one day we'll get stories set after the sequel trilogy as well.



Dude, read my earlier post, Kathleen Kennedy is the reason Mandalorian exists. She liked the story Favreau presented and she asked him to talk to Feloni to work on the story. Favreau and Feloni presented whatever they presented and Kathleen Kennedy greenlit the show. She had the power to shut down and bin that idea.

Shit on Kennedy as much as you want but you need to praise her when praise is due.

 

[sol_bad]

Yeah, I'm happy to consoom anything Star Wars or MCU related. They bring me joy. I don't see the problem.

 

[Soapy Wooder]

The music for that scene was absolutely wonderful.

And I liked how the characters we’ve been following all sat and watched tv like we did. The show understood how big a moment it was for Star Wars.

 

[Pejo]

I get why you guys are disappointed in the way the Mandalorian is headed, but that reveal that the Jedi was Luke had me flipping the fuck out. It was genuinely the best I've felt about Star Wars in over 25 years. And it was a genuine reaction too, something no other Disney SW stuff has been able to invoke in me. The Mandalorian has a lot of problems and is quickly falling back into Disney tier shit, but god damn that whole scene was magic in my little fanboy eyes. The only bummer is that they ended the episode without the usual Mandalorian theme + fuck awesome concept art.