Marathon will be a premium, paid - but not 'full price' - Extraction Shooter with 3 maps at launch
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
This is the first AAA PvP game with long-term progression.
Why do people not understand how big this is?
This is not a game from 2010. This is what every game from 2035 is going to look like.
near
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PvP has evolved over the last 10 years, it used to be normal for box price games to thrive, but it's dominated by F2P live service games with strong monetisation hooks and long term content support. The gamers that support these types of games don't jump between titles as often as you might think, they're invested to those ecosystems like Valorant or Apex Legends, where progression, cosmetics and there communities are all very much integrated. So when Bungie announces Marathon with a box price in an attempt to capture a broad audience in a niche competitive genre, it's a risky outdated strategy in today's climate.
clarky
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Agreed, but this game looks a lot more finshed than Destiny ever did.
pudel
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You dont even have a clue which game is catching fire by tomorrow. No one knows that. These long term predictions are just wishful thinking in yr head.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
All the people who say this...every single one of them...have been unable to predict a single Live Service hit in the last 10 years.
They've never forecasted a single hit, but will tell you Marathon is in trouble with faux confidence.
Escape from Tarkov is $40
Hunt Showdown is $40
Helldivers 2 is $40
Marathon can't be $40? People went from wanting to pay for fun to not wanting to pay for fun that quickly? Human DNA has changed that much in the last 15 months? I think not.
If you look at many Live Service flops over the last 10 years, you'll see the majority of them launch with huge, short lived spikes.
That's because the Fortnite, CSGO, PUBG, and League of Legends players would rather give a new game a chance than play their 836th hour of the game they main.
It's only after they recognize inferior quality do they return to their main title.
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SRTtoZ
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Oof. I'm suprsied they didn't just stick with Destiny since as far as I can tell it's been a money maker. It has a HARDCORE fanbase that buys everything they put out and it still attracts the casual audience every time a new expansion is released. If they took their time and made a Destiny 3 with a more open/social world I think it would have been huge. I don't think Marathon will be anything special but what do I know. Prove me wrong I guess...
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Top game: AAA PvP game with paper thin progression.
Bottom game: First AAA PvP game with real progression.
You can only appreciate graphical advancements because recognizing psychological, game design oriented advancements is more difficult.
clarky
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Nice cope. Marathon looks like ass while a game in 2010 featured better visuals with destructible environments which mind you, is a pretty cool game design oriented advancement in itself.
near
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Trying to predict whether a live-service game will succeed in today's volatile market is always tricky. I'm not saying it's impossible to succeed with a box price, it's just riskier now, especially given how the broader PvP landscape has evolved. A box price is a barrier, and 'fun' alone isn't enough anymore. The game also needs to be accessible, addictive, and supported long-term. If you're charging $40 upfront, expectations are way higher at launch, and there's less room for it to grow over time. Games like Escape from Tarkov and Helldivers 2 found success, but their rollouts were unique and not easily replicated. Marathon can succeed, but it's a high-stakes play in a market where most similar attempts have bombed.
Liopleurodon
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Can't help but feel that the artstyle, aesthetics, and overall setting of Marathon is wasted on FPS.
MMaRsu
Gold Member
Whats the progression like?
MMaRsu
Gold Member
Tarkov is 52 euro for the cheapest version
MMaRsu
Gold Member
Rewarded with what tho?
Bumblebeetuna
Member
What "real progression"?
near
Member
No clue. I remember watching an interview where the director alluded to it.
This is Sony another attempt to make a cash grab service disguise as a game. It will be very carefully crafted to make people folk out their money for different kinds of "rewards, achievements, reputations and upgrades". influencers and media outlets will be paid to give this "Game" a glowing previews.
Gaming is fucked.
Gaming is fucked.
Angry_Megalodon
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
We all stray from the path of righteousness from time to time. Thank you for not turning your back on me.Bloody hell I really did bring you back from the brink.
Welcome back on board
Guardian Monkey
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3 maps for 70 bucks
Reading?
"Marathon will be a premium, paid - but not 'full price' - Extraction Shooter with 3 maps at launch"
coachmcguirk91
Gold Member
It's 100% not going to be 70$, probably 40. And 3 maps the size of the 2 Alpha maps is really solid. Most Extraction shooters launch with only 1-2 maps. Not to mention the 4th map will be available a couple weeks after launch. People that make the map complaints think it's comparable to tiny ass COD maps3 maps for 70 bucks
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BlackTron
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mckmas8808
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I thought they were the same size as Call of Duty maps. Thanks for educating me.
FoxMcChief
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FoxMcChief
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I watched some videos. Wow. Yeah, this isn't worth starting up PS+ again.
Im starting to think that this is really a bad investment of Sony, instead of focusing on development single player exclusives and reviving OG Ps franchise titles. And they made it multiplatform instead of exclusive which so many Sony PS fans expected on PS to be haven of exclusive 1st and 2nd party games just like Nintendo. Western management really planted a bad seed which I hope a return to Japan leadership will fix it, especially this obsession on live service and GAas and so much focus on AAA games( some are even woke infested )and forgotten how great PS was with AA games especially from Japan studio in the past. That is why Astrobot is a great example of success of not being over budget.
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StreetsofBeige
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I'll take a guess and say $50. Not full priced, but a $10 premium to other games like H2, Concord, Hunt etc…
Due to the bungie name.
Due to the bungie name.
Cakeboxer
Member
Would be interesting to know how many people were invited.Ooof this doesn't bode well for the futur of this GAAS. Player retention is abysmal even for a free alpha
Edit: currently on Twitch:
I know some people will find excuses, but damn it already looks like the electrocardiograph of a dead person.
near
Member
How they can fix the potential problem:
- Delay the game by another 6 months.
- Rebuild the loot economy and add a solo queue.
- Change the game design to accommodate a F2P model.
What they'll actually do:
- Nothing
Conclusion:
- DOA
- RIP Bungie
Killjoy-NL
Member
Marathon was already multiplatform before Sony acquired Bungie and the deal included Marathon remaining multiplatform.
Edit:
Marathon Proves PlayStation is Keeping its Promise About Bungie
The reveal of Bungie's revival of the Marathon franchise at the PlayStation Showcase makes good on Sony's intentions with studio acquisitions.
gamerant.com
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Shubh_C63
Member
I still don't think Marathon will be DOA, just no way. Will sit only above Hunt Showdown PC numbers which is lame.
And come launch they will add some bells and whistles to their final version that graphically outside areas will look better.
Remember Elden Ring closed beta, the UI and graphics looked like ass but come launch it had all the fancy particles and shit.
And come launch they will add some bells and whistles to their final version that graphically outside areas will look better.
Remember Elden Ring closed beta, the UI and graphics looked like ass but come launch it had all the fancy particles and shit.
MMaRsu
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near
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I mean I don't necessarily think it will be DOA in the literal sense, there will be launch day players, streamers, and a day 1 spike, but that's a low bar for a project of this scale. I don't think it will retain players, I don't think it will sell well and I don't think it will last very long in the market based on everything we've seen.
SJRB
Gold Member
You're not seriously comparing this to Elden Ring?
It's not the graphics, it's the complete lack of fresh, interesting and rewarding gameplay. All that focus on the aesthetics and fancy menus but the gameplay is shit. Bungie and Sony are in deep shit. Interest in the game died within literal hours when the alpha started and nobody really cares about it at this point.
They can polish the visuals all they want but unless they pull a complete rework of the gameplay loop out of their ass this game is done.
GymWolf
Member
Even funnier when at least 70% of people find the aesthetic absolutely ugly\dull af
Lunarorbit
Member
I think marathon looks ugly and seems empty based on the color palette and art design. This is doa. It's gonna be memed to hell and back.
Hari Seldon
Member
This game mode is simply too niche for the general audience. This mode should have been a part of a larger game that did interest people, not the sole game.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
Unlike Concord, most people just dont care about this game, for good or bad. Difficult to find a straw man to justify its failure, since this doesnt arouse any strong emotion on either side of the spectrum.
8BiTw0LF
Consoomer
~30k. 10k on each platform?
Shubh_C63
Member
I am not comparing this to Elden Ring. I am comparing it to alpha build for networking testing vs final build with all graphics.
I was very hyped for Marathon but I guess this will become just another game. It will have its moment 1 or 2 years down the line for sure.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
They aren't delaying it guys. They need to release by September to beat the Xmas rush and COD. Delaying to 2026 likely clashes with fairgames assuming that's a 2026 game.
They will release the game hot and hope it has enough traction where they get a big gamer base who will stick with them as they add any missing content and features.
You can tell the game is unfinished. Not just due to the alpha issues people saw but they haven't even set the price yet. They're still in heavy WIP mode when these final 5 months should be all set and they are tidying up the code. But they aren't but need to ship it out.
They will release the game hot and hope it has enough traction where they get a big gamer base who will stick with them as they add any missing content and features.
You can tell the game is unfinished. Not just due to the alpha issues people saw but they haven't even set the price yet. They're still in heavy WIP mode when these final 5 months should be all set and they are tidying up the code. But they aren't but need to ship it out.
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