Ill keep a lookout! What was that Von Eerie chant for? Something about her heckling someone?
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March Wrasslin |OT| Road To WrassleMania
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Ill keep a lookout! What was that Von Eerie chant for? Something about her heckling someone?
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Just think of jericho and kofi as the main event and change the channel.
Didn't last year's Smackdown have no matches at all?
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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I sure don't envy those in attendance.
UberTag
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AJ only won because Shelton Benjamin retired undefeated from the tourney.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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So the Smackdown after Raw was filmed before Raw, and then aired on TV with stuff that took place on Raw?
funkystudent
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So SD is over so Im gonna post the WM thread.
Due to popular opinion I am going with ......
Wrestlemana 28 |OT| WWE is having another Big Show
Just a final question. What time does Wrestlemana Start at in the US?
Or could someone make one of those countdown clock gifs I can put in the OP latter?
Due to popular opinion I am going with ......
Wrestlemana 28 |OT| WWE is having another Big Show
Just a final question. What time does Wrestlemana Start at in the US?
Or could someone make one of those countdown clock gifs I can put in the OP latter?
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
7pm east
funkystudent
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El Pescado
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I just bought it on my cable box and it says it starts at 5 pm est. Two hours of Pre-Show?
SousedLouse
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Reneledarker
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Great IPPV, peaked at Akira vs Mochizuki, lets hope tomorrow 3 vs 3 delivers.
funkystudent
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This is how I think it should go.
wrestlemania thread for wrestlemania talk and general wrestlemania weekend shenanigans like the HOF + other events.
March OT for random wrestling talk like if TNA closes down or something.
Plus its probably better to talk about the Mania spoilers in this thread instead of the WM thread just so no one ruins it for people who dont read the dirt sheets.
Is this you, dude?
Yep, that's me. That was an awesome show. Tozawa/Mochizuki and Low Ki/Pac were the matches of the night. During the Low Ki/Pac match, Ki had Pac on the apron around my area and gave him a hard chop, I said "Again!" and Low Ki gave me this look....and then everyone started chanting "One more time!" and when Ki went for it, Pac pushed him hard into the barricade next to me....awesome match and still one more night of Dragon Gate to go!
BillRiccio
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Just got back from the ROH show. It was my first ROH show and it was amazing . Go out of your way to see Storm vs Bennett (Good lord Maria is soooooooo hot...... like really hot) Steen vs Generico (probably going to be the best match of the weekend regardless of promotion) and Strong vs Richards vs Edwards (while usually not a fan of super long Strong matches this one was awesome.)
Just got done with DGUSA and it was good for the price. I don't think I'll be back for another show but it was a good change of pace.
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SousedLouse
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Yeah, that was pretty hilarious.
Tozawa/Mochizuki was still my favorite match of the night, although I felt that it was a well rounded card altogether. Really, the only match that was kind of dull to me was the Street Fight, and even that was fairly solid - I suspect that's because Sabu didn't get his hands on a steel chair at any point throughout the match. All in all, it was a fun PPV, and although I'll have to miss out on Mercury Rising tomorrow, I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for any other iPPVs that will be held in the future.
Also, I feel kind of embarrassed that it took me so long to find you; the cameras for the live feed were pointed towards your row for half of the matches. It was the shirt that threw me off! I had to Google Metal Blade before I figured it out.
so like if the action was removed and it was just like some sort of straight up drama, how many fans would bolt? is the pure machismo through the guise of a serialized story the reason for watching? does wrestling culture have crossover with any other sort of performance art specifically, like dance or live theatre? or is this basically the dance/live theatre/greek mythology for the adrenaline junkies
also would wrestling as a whole be better or worse if the writing of the drama increased to a level that it took over as the main function of the "performance", or is this removing like the main function of wrestling? because personally i believe itd be easier for me personally to accept wrestling as some sort of performance art if it had a sort of dignity to its culture
British Monsoon
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Tozawa/Mochizuki was awesome, easily best match of the night and shame it didn't really pick up further from there. Now to watch ROH!
Well, it wouldn't be wrestling any more - just look at WWE's brand of 'sports entertainment' compared to the style of pre-90's Pro-Wrestling, Japanese Puroresu, or current Independent Wrestling. There, the story is largely told through the wrestlers actions during the match - the best wrestlers know how to take a simple and well written storyline that doesn't need a ton of time wasted on dull and badly acted in-ring segments to explain itself, and give it meaning and gravitas through their actions and responses while wrestling, and maybe one or two short pre or post match promos.
I've personally always compared wrestling to the Chinese performance art/sport of 'wu shu', whereby martial artists compete for judges scores with choreographed solo performances and mock battles, it's just that with wrestling it's the fan's reactions and how the booker, the guy/s in charge, perceive those reactions, that are providing the judges scores and thus determining which competitor is the best, which competitors deserve a 'push' into more lucrative spots on the card.
That's what I'm watching wrestling for. I want to be amazed by the strength and athleticism on display in the ring, but I also want that suspension of disbelief that comes when two or more wrestlers, experts at their craft, put on a match that draws me in to such a degree that I forget, or simply don't care, that what I'm watching is orchestrated.
Well, it wouldn't be wrestling any more - just look at WWE's brand of 'sports entertainment' compared to the style of pre-90's Pro-Wrestling, Japanese Puroresu, or current Independent Wrestling. There, the story is largely told through the wrestlers actions during the match - the best wrestlers know how to take a simple and well written storyline that doesn't need a ton of time wasted on dull and badly acted in-ring segments to explain itself, and give it meaning and gravitas through their actions and responses while wrestling, and maybe one or two short pre or post match promos.
I've personally always compared wrestling to the Chinese performance art/sport of 'wu shu', whereby martial artists compete for judges scores with choreographed solo performances and mock battles, it's just that with wrestling it's the fan's reactions and how the booker, the guy/s in charge, perceive those reactions, that are providing the judges scores and thus determining which competitor is the best, which competitors deserve a 'push' into more lucrative spots on the card.
That's what I'm watching wrestling for. I want to be amazed by the strength and athleticism on display in the ring, but I also want that suspension of disbelief that comes when two or more wrestlers, experts at their craft, put on a match that draws me in to such a degree that I forget, or simply don't care, that what I'm watching is orchestrated.
Looks like they were all inducted into AJ's Hall of Game.
Net_Wrecker
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If you removed the wrestling from wrestling, I'm pretty sure a TON of fans would bolt. No matter how good the storytelling got outside of the ring, people aren't tuning in to see some kind of high art performance take place. All of that storytelling should come back around to settling conflicts inside a wrestling ring. It's a scripted show about guys in combat with each other for titles, pride, honor, revenge, vengeance, etc. etc. It takes the standard combat sports mold and adds fight pacing, match psychology, over the top personalities, and storylines to it in a way that other legitimate sports could never do. The whole thing is the draw. Stray too far from either end, and I think you risk becoming a niche program at a time where wrestling as a whole is already a niche product.
That doesn't mean that improving the storytelling to a level comparable to a Mad Men, or hell, even average film/television scripts would harm the product though. On the contrary, that would only help to make the entire show more engrossing, and serve to make the eventual fight that much more exciting. Both aspects must work in tandem which is a HUGE problem with the WWE, and has been for nearly 10 years.
If you're looking for a high quality dramatic program, or top notch writing without the "baggage" of wrestling in your wrestling, you'd be better off watching one of the numerous great TV shows out there. Pro wrestling is all about "dumb fun." And even then, the quality of mainstream wrestling is SO bad most of the time these days that you're better off looking elsewhere for that dumb fun.
EDIT: And as Bootaaay pointed out, there are entire companies out there that PRIDE themselves in storytelling told IN the ring during matches/confrontations rather than on a microphone, or through bad soap opera style productions. Removing wrestling from those totally kills that product. The Japanese and Independent scene is completely different than what you might be looking at with the WWE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Pbz58jPh9fs
Edge talks to Jericho about his hair cut
Edge talks to Jericho about his hair cut
British Monsoon
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Apparently there were serious audio synch issues with the ROH iPPV last night, due to slow internet speeds in the building - the audio is properly synched on the replay, but the replay cuts out during the Generico/Steen match :/
That doesn't bode well for the iPPV tonight, as they're in the same building, but hopefully they can get it sorted before showtime (and hopefully GFL can get the damn full replay up so I can see the main event).
By contrast, the DGUSA iPPV went off without a single hitch all night, which I believe is a first for DGUSA iPPVs I've purchased.
That doesn't bode well for the iPPV tonight, as they're in the same building, but hopefully they can get it sorted before showtime (and hopefully GFL can get the damn full replay up so I can see the main event).
By contrast, the DGUSA iPPV went off without a single hitch all night, which I believe is a first for DGUSA iPPVs I've purchased.
I am glad that I decided to get the DGUSA iPPV and catch the ROH iPPV later. It's looking like I won't get to watch either of the ROH ones until tomorrow or Monday, though.
How was the TMDK match? Someone posted a match/promo of theirs a few days ago(honestly it was probably you, haha) and I was looking forward to seeing them wrestle the Briscoes.
British Monsoon
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According to ROH's twitter the synch and bandwidth issues are all sorted for tonight's iPPV, so hopefully there won't be any more problems.
TMDK vs The Briscoes was a good 10-12 minutes opener, really got the fans going, especially towards the end of the match. The Briscoes did a good job putting over the Aussies, and the crowd were popping huge for some of TMDK's double teams - they really looked like they belonged, so hopefully we'll be seeing a lot more of them in ROH.
TMDK vs The Briscoes was a good 10-12 minutes opener, really got the fans going, especially towards the end of the match. The Briscoes did a good job putting over the Aussies, and the crowd were popping huge for some of TMDK's double teams - they really looked like they belonged, so hopefully we'll be seeing a lot more of them in ROH.
BillRiccio
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TMDK was impressive in their match with the Briscoes. Both guy's were quite athletic in the ring and the both had personality. Briscoes as always brought it and the match ended up being really entertaining. Hope ROH brings them back in because they would only strengthen a great tag division.
I'm envious. I plan on saving money now so that I can go to Wrestlemania next year and hit up all the events.
Outside of those attending WM, what is everyone's plans for tomorrow? It is looking like I'm going to have around 10 people over for a Wrestlemania party. I'll have my normal group of around 5-6, and then a few new people that I hung out with for the first time last night while watching the DGUSA iPPV. My girlfriend and I will be making a ton of food, and we'll probably end up watching one of the ROH iPPVs before 'Mania actually starts.
British Monsoon
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Glad you enjoyed it - I loved that Hallowicked/Peck match, Marchie Archie is seriously one of my favourite characters in wrestling right now, he's so damn entertaining. His match with Sara Del Rey at 'A Death Worse than Fate' was excellent, too, and he's really improving a lot in the ring.
Yes Archibald Peck is GOLD. I fucking love him, he was so damn funny.
guess the next one I'll purchase is A Death Worse than Fate
BillRiccio
Member
it's a damn shame that harlot Veronica is going to break are poor band leaders heart.
British Monsoon
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Updated DGUSA card for tonight;
The Dragon Gate Six Man Tag Team Match Tradition Continues!!!
CIMA, Ricochet & Masaaki Mochizki vs. Low Ki, Akira Tozawa, & BxB Hulk with Christina Von Eerie
Open The Freedom Gate Title Match
Johnny Gargano vs. Masato Yoshino[/b]
PAC Invitational Aerial Elimination Match
PAC vs. Rich Swann vs. Lince Dorado vs. Samuray Del Sol vs. Pinkie Sanchez vs. Chuck Taylor
No Rules Fight
Sami Callihan vs. Sabu
Grudge Match
AR Fox vs. Arik Cannon
Special Challenge Match
Jon Davis vs. Bobby Fish
Oh my, that PAC invitational looks like it could be a lot of fun.
Seriously. Poor Marchie Archie, seeing his beloved Veronica swayed by the manly muscles of a jock like Mr. Touchdown
The Dragon Gate Six Man Tag Team Match Tradition Continues!!!
CIMA, Ricochet & Masaaki Mochizki vs. Low Ki, Akira Tozawa, & BxB Hulk with Christina Von Eerie
Open The Freedom Gate Title Match
Johnny Gargano vs. Masato Yoshino[/b]
PAC Invitational Aerial Elimination Match
PAC vs. Rich Swann vs. Lince Dorado vs. Samuray Del Sol vs. Pinkie Sanchez vs. Chuck Taylor
No Rules Fight
Sami Callihan vs. Sabu
Grudge Match
AR Fox vs. Arik Cannon
Special Challenge Match
Jon Davis vs. Bobby Fish
Oh my, that PAC invitational looks like it could be a lot of fun.
Seriously. Poor Marchie Archie, seeing his beloved Veronica swayed by the manly muscles of a jock like Mr. Touchdown
I guess this means CIMA is good to go for the six man, which is good. It seems like he just tweaked his neck and wanted to be 100% for the main event of the weekend.
Either that or the injury was a work so they could separate him and Ricochet since they're no longer in the same faction.
Either that or the injury was a work so they could separate him and Ricochet since they're no longer in the same faction.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
WTF is this Edge, I thought you loved me
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I like how the poster thing for WrestleMania XX has Cena and Taker as the main 2 guys on it with Eddie in the corner.
edit- the picture of Eddie looks like it was taken at the end of the show when he was celebrating with ***** ******
British Monsoon
Member
Yeah, in hindsight I'm gonna agree - quite a neat way of splitting CIMA & Ricochet up, and if CIMA's neck was really that badly injured he probably wouldn't have been attacked by Taylor post-match yesterday.
ROH replay is STILL missing the end of Steen/Generico and all of the main event - plus, no reply from GFL or ROH as to what the hell is going on. Not happy.
Clearly they can't do a poster with ***** ****** on it.
Hang on, what is this magic? ***** ******
***** ******
***** ******!!!
DAMNIT WWE!
BillRiccio
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ROH just continues to drop the ball on ippv, this if getting redunk. It's a damn shame to because the last two matches last night were awesome.
British Monsoon
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Well, the replay problem is most definitely on GFL's end and probably has little to do with ROH, but a reply on twitter to at least let fans know they're aware of and working on the problem would be nice.
However, the streaming issues last night they attributed to poor bandwidth at the venue - if you're running an iPPV, surely one of the first requirements is to make sure the building has an internet connection suitable to stream iPPV? Because, really, that's bush-league stuff.
When WWNLive launched, I was sure they'd have a hard time matching GFL's standard - but while it's taken them a year or two, last night's DGUSA iPPV was above the usual ROH iPPV quality on just about every level. Not only was the audio in synch, but sound levels were perfect, and compared to the muddiness of ROH's camera equipment, DGUSA was crystal clear.
However, the streaming issues last night they attributed to poor bandwidth at the venue - if you're running an iPPV, surely one of the first requirements is to make sure the building has an internet connection suitable to stream iPPV? Because, really, that's bush-league stuff.
When WWNLive launched, I was sure they'd have a hard time matching GFL's standard - but while it's taken them a year or two, last night's DGUSA iPPV was above the usual ROH iPPV quality on just about every level. Not only was the audio in synch, but sound levels were perfect, and compared to the muddiness of ROH's camera equipment, DGUSA was crystal clear.
BoboBrazil
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Hogan WWE Champion in 2002? WTF was WWE thinking? No wonder they went to shit during that time frame. Hogan champion, Austin heel turn. Man those were some bad times for WWE. After WCW died they had no clue what to do with themselves.
He was only champion for a month, he lost it to Taker the next PPV
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