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Marine: 'I'm Not Going Back To Iraq' -so- Suicide By Cop
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evil solrac v3.0
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the kid just wanted to die, he was in iraq. who knows what he saw. i know he wasnt front line troop but he was a marine and they gert assigned combat roles even if they are REMF's. maybe he snapped.
who is to say that anyone of us wouldnt snap a certain way. i love how so many of you people in your cushy houses get to be all high an mighty and say "well, i surely would never have done that" please...... dont be surprised when you start hearing more of this. i've already heard of at least three cases of soldiers committing suicide or being killed bya fellow service menbers after coming back from iraq.
it's gonna happen more and unless you want a repeat of vietnam veterans who end up homeless, you all better get of your high horses.
who is to say that anyone of us wouldnt snap a certain way. i love how so many of you people in your cushy houses get to be all high an mighty and say "well, i surely would never have done that" please...... dont be surprised when you start hearing more of this. i've already heard of at least three cases of soldiers committing suicide or being killed bya fellow service menbers after coming back from iraq.
it's gonna happen more and unless you want a repeat of vietnam veterans who end up homeless, you all better get of your high horses.
I've never understood the extra sympathy cops get when they get gunned down. At least they're armed and have a chance to fight off their would-be killers...that's more then what I've got. Sad to say, but it's part of the job...I'm not gonna cry for them anymore then a coal miner who gets caved in.
That said, I also wonder about people who join the military, then get upset when they're sent to war. That's like, part of the deal.
That said, I also wonder about people who join the military, then get upset when they're sent to war. That's like, part of the deal.
evil solrac v3.0 said:
THANK YOU DUDE. I AGREE WITH YOUR POST
yeah, everyone in their nice cushy suburban houses should think a little harder before mouthing off about how bad this kid was. or how messed up he was. he got that way because of all the FUCKING piece of shit adults who create wars and chaos.
I dont think those cops should have been gunned down. but it doesnt bother me all that much. too bad. they knew what they were doing when they signed up to be a cop.
Oh I said that? Or did I say that they'll get no more sympathy from me then a coal miner who gets caved in? Which also means they'd get no less as well? Pretty obvious what was said to anyone who can read properly, so don't try and tell me my business.
My post was more of a general comment...people generally act like the slaying of a cop is worse then the slaying of some Joe Doe they've never heard of, simply because he wore a badge. I would bet that sentiment was behind at least some of the posts in this thread as well. And that's fine if people feel that way, but it's not a notion I agree with.
My post was more of a general comment...people generally act like the slaying of a cop is worse then the slaying of some Joe Doe they've never heard of, simply because he wore a badge. I would bet that sentiment was behind at least some of the posts in this thread as well. And that's fine if people feel that way, but it's not a notion I agree with.
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xexex said:
Not really, since its a VIDE...a board on the net, but if its worth anything, I think you are a dick as well.
Lil' Dice said:
If someone said the things that xexex has said in this thread to me in person, I'd at the very least call them an idiot right then and there. I only use "dick" for emphasis, since he can't see my disgusted expression.
If you must know.
For the record, I believe I've insulted (e.g., calling someone an "idiot", or a "dick") people perhaps 10-15 times on here over the course of 5+ years, yet I disagree with dozens of people every day. It's a particular brand of idiocy-- the fatuous kind, smug in its foolishness-- that really draws my ire. Sorry, but I'm not about to sit around while some clearly braindead poster lauds someone who, whatever the supposed "justification", just shot two innocent men. When someone says something like this:
...which clearly implies that the perpetrator is not "bad" (or at the very least that the rest of us sitting in "judgment" are "just as bad" as he is, and thus shouldn't throw stones), despite the fact that he just murdered two innocent people, I'm inclined to draw some unflattering conclusions about that person. Saying in the initial posts that you "almost admire" this criminal only solidifies my opinion. I apologize if this upsets you, but that's the way it works.
The fact that even a cursory examination of the situation (assuming we accept all of xexex's propositions- e.g., that this man was distraught, didn't want to return, saw "no way out" etc.) quite easily reveals that a more morally acceptable course of action would have been to just serve out his prison term illustrates that he has not even considered the moral implications of this act or the other possible courses of action this man could have taken. What was the point of murdering the two officers? If you want to make the case that war messes with people's heads, then that's fine-- I agree. But unless we hold that he had a legitimate mental illness (possibly something like acute Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder), then he is fully responsible for his actions; further, even if he was suffering from something of the sort, this does not mean that you have to praise him as some sort of martyr and express such repugnant callousness regarding the deaths of the officers. One does not follow from the other-- at least not in a rational person's mind.
It was not my place to try to "set him straight", since others have tried to do so throughout the thread to no avail. All I wanted to do was to let him know that that's what he was being: a dick. If he cares enough to, he'll examine precisely why people jumped on him in this thread (hint: it's not because we're "dicks") rather than continuing to hold to such ill-considered and frankly indefensible beliefs. It was the persistence of his idiocy that forced my hand, so to speak.
Again, my apologies if I offended you in any way, but I call it as I see it. If a cop (or any innocent person, for that matter) had just been shot and someone walked up to me and told me that they "almost admired" the shooter just because he had a hard life, then-- unless the cop had previously killed the guy's mother or some such-- I'd call them a "dick", sure. Why not?
These are not the musings of a sensible man:
xexex said:
Over "my" dead body? Or over everyone's dead bodies? If it means that much to you, fine, kill yourself-- at least you'll have some honor. What he's stating is equivalent to advocating that every person who has a legitimate grievance with the government go around shooting up their fellow citizens "just to prove a point". Yeah, you sure showed them, man! <rolleyes>
His particular grievance-- having been subjected to the horrors of war and all-- carries more weight, but not enough to get past the logical and moral objections to such an act.
I hope you can understand. I won't "agree to disagree" here, nor should anyone else. Anyone who condones this sort of thing on any level-- and that includes yourself if that's how you feel-- is beyond help, your "snowflake" rationale notwithstanding.
Xenon
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Shinobi said:
You seem to have problems with people showing sympathy to a cop who lost his life. You said that you show no more than you would a coal miner. I say you show less. If this situation was reversed and it was a cop who went crazy I'm sure you would be able to muster up not only sympathy for the victim, but outrage at the cop. Maybe I'm wrong but IMO you just don't like cops. So its funny :lol when you try to act like you think of them as just people with no extra consideration. =P
I think posters reactions would be the same if the GI killed the bus driver who was taking him back to the base. He is a fucking selfish prick who not only killed himself, one of the least admirable things a person could do, but he took someone else out as he did it. Then xexex tries to pass it off as another fucked up consequence of the Iraq war. I would like to think that most people, even the ones who totally disagree with the war, would disagree.
On the one hand, I can certainly sympathize with not wanting to go back to Iraq, if indeed that's where he was going to be sent (someone said Japan, though?).
On the other hand, nothing excuses killing innocent people. The irony is that he suppposedly didn't want to kill innocent Iraqi's but killing innocent American cops is okay? Whatever.
Anyway, that whole situation is pretty terrible.
On the other hand, nothing excuses killing innocent people. The irony is that he suppposedly didn't want to kill innocent Iraqi's but killing innocent American cops is okay? Whatever.
Anyway, that whole situation is pretty terrible.
Xenon said:
Oh I like cops (the good ones), don't get me wrong. And I think most of 'em are good people. And I'd say we've got far less corruption and cowboying up here then exists in the states, so I feel rather fortunate. However I do think they're overworshipped by people, as if they're always good and innocent simply because they have "To Serve and Protect" sketched into their badges. Which is funny considering people consider politicians to be nothing but liars, despite all the oaths they swear off on that goes against that notion.
Seeing him being called an innocent cop reminded me of the end of Training Day. When Alonzo's death was announced by a newscast, he was called a fine decorated officer. And that's how it always goes, even though nobody knows shit about what they were aside from their occupation. I suppose presumption of innocence is fair game in those circumstances though, but politicians don't get that.
I'm not defending the marine though, and it's kinda interesting that you skipped my second point regarding people who join a military, then bitch when they get sent to war. Though the reasons why that happens would make for a pretty interesting thread on it's own. Bottom line though, if you want to leave the army, get a dishonourable discharge, serve a few months in the slammer, and be on your way. If you wanna die, kill yourself.
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