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Mario 128 - Gamecube or Revolution?
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soundwave05
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All I know is they better have something great and something great cooking like right now.
I don't know what the hell EAD/Rare/Retro were doing during 1999 and 2000, but they sure as hell did not deliver when the GameCube needed it early on and it basically doomed the system.
I think there was an incredible lack of planning. How the hell does Microsoft end up with a better launch when they had like 1/2 the time Nintendo did?
There are no such thing as a second chance in this business (ask Sega). You get one chance, do it right, or don't bother.
I hope Iwata is much harder on his developers.
Then again, the DS launch just reeks of another situation where it seems like Nintendo is rushing a product to the market.
I don't know what the hell EAD/Rare/Retro were doing during 1999 and 2000, but they sure as hell did not deliver when the GameCube needed it early on and it basically doomed the system.
I think there was an incredible lack of planning. How the hell does Microsoft end up with a better launch when they had like 1/2 the time Nintendo did?
There are no such thing as a second chance in this business (ask Sega). You get one chance, do it right, or don't bother.
I hope Iwata is much harder on his developers.
Then again, the DS launch just reeks of another situation where it seems like Nintendo is rushing a product to the market.
soundwave05 said:
Spot on.
Nintendo is in a really difficult situation right now.
Earlier it was: "Wow! A new Nintendo system is coming out! I wonder how cool the new Mario and Zelda will be? I can't wait to buy it!"
Now it is: "Hey, Nintendo! Either you give me Mario 64 2, Ocarina of Time 2 and a full fledged online Halo-killer or I won't even bother."
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
soundwave05
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There's nothing wrong with being seen as "another Nintendo system", as long as the games you bring out, bring positive reactions from people.
And there's no law stopping Nintendo from supplimenting a Mario launch title with other original franchises.
They did this well with the SNES launch, why do they have so much trouble making non-franchise based titles these days?
And there's no law stopping Nintendo from supplimenting a Mario launch title with other original franchises.
They did this well with the SNES launch, why do they have so much trouble making non-franchise based titles these days?
soundwave05
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If its not playable at E3, I'd say its definitely Revolution.
Nintendo has to show something on the Revolution, even if its not a full blown unveiling.
A nice video trailer of a Mario game without giving away too much would probably do the trick.
Nintendo has to show something on the Revolution, even if its not a full blown unveiling.
A nice video trailer of a Mario game without giving away too much would probably do the trick.
Azure Dream
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A trailer of Mario running around in a big top hat.
Afterward, Miyamoto would just walk out and pretend he had no idea what it does.
Afterward, Miyamoto would just walk out and pretend he had no idea what it does.
ImNotLikeThem
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:lol thats an awesome image. miyamoto: "Im not Mario, but I do know him. But this crazy shit, I got no clue *big confused face*". Imagine if they took all the complaints/comments about how different sunshine was, and went even FARTHER from the "traditional" mario game, into some sort of crazy drug-induced trippy Katamari style game.Kulock said:
on second though, that may not even be that bad... hmmm
iced lightning
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Hopefully the new Mario game is nothing like Sunshine. What a turd that was for a Mario title.
soundwave05
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It would be hillarious if Miyamoto came out in a red bodysuit to control Mario -- thus revealing the Revolution controller.
soundwave05
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Its kinda weird not having a new Nintendo console with a new Mario game.
The GameCube just felt "off" right from the get go because of it.
I'm all for Nintendo establishing the Revolution as "different" from the usual Nintendo norm, but that doesn't mean you totally castrate yourself launch wise.
Mario, along with say 2-3 other new/surprising kinds of titles for the Revolution and then a steady pack of supporting titles/ports would be a very good launch.
The GameCube just felt "off" right from the get go because of it.
I'm all for Nintendo establishing the Revolution as "different" from the usual Nintendo norm, but that doesn't mean you totally castrate yourself launch wise.
Mario, along with say 2-3 other new/surprising kinds of titles for the Revolution and then a steady pack of supporting titles/ports would be a very good launch.
golduck342
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mario 128 gamecube
luigi 128 revolution!
seriously though, I would like to see Luigi make a return to at least being 2nd player. Mario & Luigi was awesome, and it would've sucked without Luigi. Give luigi slightly different abilities... even a higher jump, but not one that's completely broken like the backflip in SM64DS and I'd be happy.
luigi 128 revolution!
seriously though, I would like to see Luigi make a return to at least being 2nd player. Mario & Luigi was awesome, and it would've sucked without Luigi. Give luigi slightly different abilities... even a higher jump, but not one that's completely broken like the backflip in SM64DS and I'd be happy.
It's not on the DS, a completely new SMB is in development for that system & has been for some time. A source has told me that it will be on the GC, & that Nintendo isn't abandoning the platform just yet. The amount of titles Nintendo is publishing/developing this year would seem to attest to this. (13 confirmed) Even EAD Ninja had received similar information regarding Mario 128 months ago.
DK:JB
Donkey Konga: Expansion Song Discs 2 & 3
Pokemon Gamecube
Fire Emblem: Trail of the Blue Flame
SF: Assault
Odama
LOZ
Mario 128
Geist
Mario Baseball
Kirby Adventure
Advance Wars: Under Fire
DDR w/Mario (Konami is developing but Nintendo is publishing AFAIK)
Nintendo Pennant Chase Baseball
Those games which have in all probability jumped platforms:
Animal Crossing 2
Brownie Brown's console rpg.
The Camelot rpg. (Golden Sun, my own speculation )
Nintendo execs. (as well as Iwata) have said that there would never launch another system w/out a Mario platformer, so concurrent development is a definite possibility.
DK:JB
Donkey Konga: Expansion Song Discs 2 & 3
Pokemon Gamecube
Fire Emblem: Trail of the Blue Flame
SF: Assault
Odama
LOZ
Mario 128
Geist
Mario Baseball
Kirby Adventure
Advance Wars: Under Fire
DDR w/Mario (Konami is developing but Nintendo is publishing AFAIK)
Nintendo Pennant Chase Baseball
Those games which have in all probability jumped platforms:
Animal Crossing 2
Brownie Brown's console rpg.
The Camelot rpg. (Golden Sun, my own speculation
)Nintendo execs. (as well as Iwata) have said that there would never launch another system w/out a Mario platformer, so concurrent development is a definite possibility.
soundwave05
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They could squeeze in a Luigi's Mansion 2 or a Yoshi title on a GameCube. I don't think that's entirely out of the question.
Nintendo is forced to publish more titles on the GCN because no one else is.
Nintendo is forced to publish more titles on the GCN because no one else is.
KyotoMecca
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People should really stop ignoring my cryptic posts.
soundwave05 said:
Untrue, in the N64's waning days Nintendo never developed/published this much software with an even larger installed userbase. The b/c with the Revolution may have something to do with the commitment, but they still have enough major 3rd party support to not be forced into this position. And still a surprise title or two will be shown at E3.
NEITHER IT DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST DROP THE FUCKING TORCH YOU SILLY BASTARDS
Seriously. A tech demo spawns rumors about a game that does not and will never exist. Sure, there will be a BRAND NEW Mario game. On the Revolution. It won't be called Mario 128, though, and chances are it will most likely be fair to mediocre judging by SMS.
Seriously. A tech demo spawns rumors about a game that does not and will never exist. Sure, there will be a BRAND NEW Mario game. On the Revolution. It won't be called Mario 128, though, and chances are it will most likely be fair to mediocre judging by SMS.
What does it mean that the GC is dead ?
a)That it doesn't sell.
b)That its users don't buy games.
c)That the system has had a heart attack.
Explain me it, please.
I continue buying good GC games so for me it isn't dead. And most of people here does it too...I think it's not our cup of tea if the GC sells or not sells.
a)That it doesn't sell.
b)That its users don't buy games.
c)That the system has had a heart attack.
Explain me it, please.
I continue buying good GC games so for me it isn't dead. And most of people here does it too...I think it's not our cup of tea if the GC sells or not sells.
soundwave05
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Mario Sunshine (like Mario 2 USA) was a good game, but not a great one, hence the dissapointment.
I think the next Mario will kick ass, simply because Nintendo does take that kind of stuff seriously. The new Zelda is the Zelda that most people expected/wanted in the first place.
The next Mario I think will be a top priority project for Nintendo.
Miyamoto was extremely pissed off when Donkey Kong Country outsold SMW2: Yoshi's Island, so he really ramped things up a notch with Super Mario 64. Nintendo may do a lot of crazy things, and they have taken the Mario/Zelda series in weird directions before, but they always bring them back stronger than ever after a letdown.
I think the next Mario will kick ass, simply because Nintendo does take that kind of stuff seriously. The new Zelda is the Zelda that most people expected/wanted in the first place.
The next Mario I think will be a top priority project for Nintendo.
Miyamoto was extremely pissed off when Donkey Kong Country outsold SMW2: Yoshi's Island, so he really ramped things up a notch with Super Mario 64. Nintendo may do a lot of crazy things, and they have taken the Mario/Zelda series in weird directions before, but they always bring them back stronger than ever after a letdown.
SolidSnakex
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Odnetnin said:
And if you took RE4's new camera system away you'd be left with the same old RE. You could do this all day, but fact is the game has those features and they're all around great.
disabledHeliocentric
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Ack. Anybody who'd compare Ratchet and Clank to Mario Sunshine in such a direct way shouldn't be taken too seriously. It betrays a remarkably superficial understanding of what each game is about.
SolidSnakex said:
:lol nice try. Re4's jewellry hunting + aiming system + enemy types makes it such a different game. Did you even play it? And how can you say something like camera system is a feature? Its trinsic to any game; hence the shitty camea in x game comments. The other stuff you can do with or without.
that's like saying Dino Crisis 3 is a FPS if you change the camera. :lol
SolidSnakex
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Odnetnin said:
Except you'd have to ignore that the camera system made people ignore that RE4 still uses the old RE's tank controls and that the aiming system was built around the camera system. That's why its a feature, just like having a free cam is a feature.
soundwave05
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Anyone else still feel Super Mario 64 is still the best 3D platformer?
The control of Mario is still smoother/more responsive than any other platformer, the level variety is great, etc.
The control of Mario is still smoother/more responsive than any other platformer, the level variety is great, etc.
Azure Dream
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Raoul Duke said:
The tech demo doesn't have anything to do with this, Mario 128 (logical "sequel" to Mario 64, the tech demo was jokingly named "Mario 128" and featured 128 Marios as a sort of gag on that) has been referred to multiple times by Nintendo PR as the next SMB sequel. Yes, it's just a WIP name, and it's been in use for several years now, so it could've actually ended up referring to several different developmental efforts that didn't necessarily get off the ground, but this isn't something people made up from seeing or hearing about the tech demo.
SolidSnakex
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soundwave05 said:
Mario 64 is my favorite platformer, whether it be 2D or 3D.
Kobun Heat
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The other thing is there's still over a year and a half before Revolution hits. Zelda's not going to carry that whole time frame.
They very well might have moved it, but it's still entirely possible that it's on GameCube.
They very well might have moved it, but it's still entirely possible that it's on GameCube.
drohne said:
Dead consoles don't sell consistently 100k+ per month. (not that this is impressive number mind you, & disregarding the expected holiday season numbers spike) In NA alone by the time "Realda" releases Nintendo will have a 10 million+ installed userbase. (20-25 million+ ww) The new LOZ is one of, if not the most anticipated titles of the year. It will also be one of the top sellers this year easily. Nintendo makes extremely high profit margins off of their 1st party produced software, (no surprise) this title alone will exceed 4-5 million+ units ww faster than any other title they've ever released. Perhaps this number between JPN & NA alone. (including SSB:M, & current fastest seller MK
D) So from an economic viewpoint drohne, why release a title that will incur further R&D costs, not have the same ww established userbase, is b/c with their next system, etc.? And for all the flack SMS received, it will soon surpass 2 million copies sold in NA. Especially with a superior "Realda" on the way not long after the Rev. launch?Li Mu Bai said:Dead consoles don't sell consistently 100k+ per month. (not that this is impressive number mind you, & disregarding the expected holiday season numbers spike) In NA alone by the time "Realda" releases Nintendo will have a 10 million+ installed userbase. (20-25 million+ ww) The new LOZ is one of, if not the most anticipated titles of the year. It will also be one of the top sellers this year easily. Nintendo makes extremely high profit margins off of their 1st party produced software, (no surprise) this title alone will exceed 4-5 million+ units ww faster than any other title they've ever released. Perhaps this number between JPN & NA alone. (including SSB:M, & current fastest seller MK
Just leave it. The GC is on a 1997 Saturnesque life support at this moment. It might sell 100k for the next month, maaaaaybe next two, but it'll start dipping below it soon. It'll get a good boost due to The Legend of Zelda: The Last Hurrah, but then things will pretty much die down for the rest of its life. I don't think it'll hit over 100k again after 2006 starts.
SolidSnakex said:
The new camera just made the tank controls work. After all these interations, they found a camera + fully 3d world that made RE4 works. You've also failed to consider the fact that it's a fully 3d world now. How could you even say it was a feature? i'd say that I think you haven't played RE4 cause you're waiting for it to be released on PS2 so your opinion is null and void. To the black hole where you came from!
stupid.
ontopic : Super Mario Sunshine controls better than SM64 = fact. You can control mario better, do wall bounces better... etc etc. Even without fludd, íts a better controlling mario experience; as proven by the retro packless levels. Just fun. Shits all over everything else out there.
AniHawk said:
This is an accurate assumption Ani, I do not dispute its numbers dipping below 100k after '06 starts, but this alters the LOZ's status & importance to the GC userbase how? I agree that the LOZ is the GC's last major hurrah, but for this year at least it has had & will have complementary help from both 1st & 3rd party sectors, exclusive & cross-platform software. (RE4 for example)
The Abominable Snowman
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Why do I doubt this will ever happen?Li Mu Bai said:Dead consoles don't sell consistently 100k+ per month. (not that this is impressive number mind you, & disregarding the expected holiday season numbers spike) In NA alone by the time "Realda" releases Nintendo will have a 10 million+ installed userbase. (20-25 million+ ww) The new LOZ is one of, if not the most anticipated titles of the year. It will also be one of the top sellers this year easily. Nintendo makes extremely high profit margins off of their 1st party produced software, (no surprise) this title alone will exceed 4-5 million+ units ww faster than any other title they've ever released. Perhaps this number between JPN & NA alone. (including SSB:M, & current fastest seller MK
Oh yeah, because interest in Zelda is really overstated, and the Zelda anticipation is below that of other launches slated for the same time period.
Late Stage Marxist
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I don't think shifting the game over to Revolution is going to make a big difference. Technology matters very little in the platform genre. They should release it for GameCube.