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Marvel’s Feige Teases MCU’s “Next Saga”
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jimmypython
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Secret Wars, probably
Kev Kev
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ManaByte
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Lake Bell is apparently playing Lucia von Bardas in Wakanda Forever.
Doom's Prime Minister.
Doom's Prime Minister.
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ResilientBanana
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What age range do you think Boomers are? No one I know that is 50-60+ is going to go see any of this shit.
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wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Age 30 and up is a boomer.
chromhound
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i'm not even interested in watching the shows and the movies in Phase 3 are kinda boring...
Boomer could be considered a state of mind.
That's Gen X who grew up reading these characters.
ManaByte
Member
Boomer could be considered a state of mind.
That's Gen X who grew up reading these characters.
Marvel can't use ROM. Hasbro owns him. Marvel owns the Spaceknight name, which is what they did with Agent Venom a while ago.
Boomers are in their 60s and 70s. People in their 40s and 50s are Gen X.
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Classicrockfan
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I hope it’s based on this.
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wants to fuck an Asian grill.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Troll post....... right?
SafeOrAlone
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I do love the MCU, overall, and I am looking forward to this, but I've also been a bit deflated lately. The last MCU project I truly enjoyed was WandaVision.
And more than that, I should have been up the ass of Spider-Man No Way Home, because I adore Raimi/Maguire Spider-Man and I like Garfield too. I should be eating that movie up, but it just doesn't click with me.
It really feels to me like that South Park joke where the movie trailer advertises a ridiculous plot and then says "Who cares, you'll eat this shit up either way" or something along those lines. The script of No Way Home is just awful at points and is willing to take any shortcut possible.
Dr Strange and Spider-Man not bothering to discuss all the ramifications or pre-requisites of casting a world-altering spell? (And then the script allowing Dr Strange to scold Peter for that, afterwards, despite Strange sharing at least equal blame in the scenario - please stop, the scene is already dead.)
And then Spider-Man defeats Strange just like that? "Oh, look, it's geometry!" Yeah, Peter using his intellect is great, but this just felt cheap.
Don't get me started on the re-used footage from previous Spider-Man movies. Stuff like that takes me from feeling like I'm experiencing a movie to staring at a product on the screen. You can't just blast me with footage from old movies, re-contextualized to fit new scenes, fifteen years later, and think that's going to be okay.
I truly believe these films need more time in the oven. The factory-like nature of the production, while impressive, is eating away at the quality. Hopefully that's what we get with the next big event film. I think if they're truly bringing the Russo's back, then they have probably been chipping away at the script for a while now.
And more than that, I should have been up the ass of Spider-Man No Way Home, because I adore Raimi/Maguire Spider-Man and I like Garfield too. I should be eating that movie up, but it just doesn't click with me.
It really feels to me like that South Park joke where the movie trailer advertises a ridiculous plot and then says "Who cares, you'll eat this shit up either way" or something along those lines. The script of No Way Home is just awful at points and is willing to take any shortcut possible.
Dr Strange and Spider-Man not bothering to discuss all the ramifications or pre-requisites of casting a world-altering spell? (And then the script allowing Dr Strange to scold Peter for that, afterwards, despite Strange sharing at least equal blame in the scenario - please stop, the scene is already dead.)
And then Spider-Man defeats Strange just like that? "Oh, look, it's geometry!" Yeah, Peter using his intellect is great, but this just felt cheap.
Don't get me started on the re-used footage from previous Spider-Man movies. Stuff like that takes me from feeling like I'm experiencing a movie to staring at a product on the screen. You can't just blast me with footage from old movies, re-contextualized to fit new scenes, fifteen years later, and think that's going to be okay.
I truly believe these films need more time in the oven. The factory-like nature of the production, while impressive, is eating away at the quality. Hopefully that's what we get with the next big event film. I think if they're truly bringing the Russo's back, then they have probably been chipping away at the script for a while now.
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wvnative
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I've long said since Disney+ launched that franchise fatigue would eventually set in. I think we're in the early phases of seeing that.
ManaByte
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Doctor Strange is close to making $1 billion. The original movie only made $677M.
jezhumphrey75
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black panther 2 will do well with the connection to the og avengers.
ResilientBanana
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Wrong, you must be 20 and under with a comment like that. Boomers are a direct result of the Baby Boom of the 40's and 50's. Educate yourself, you're coming off kind of stupid.
Baby boomers - Wikipedia
Technically, I'm 38 and I'm considered a Millenial.
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Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
Phase 4 had the unfortunate task to follow-up the greatest run in movie history, it also had to bring people back in after the pandemic. T'was a gargantuan task.
That would be interesting but it feels too soon. Unless this saga is 4 or 5 phases. We need to care about the MCU XMEN for this to have any real impact.
MESSIAH COMPLEX TRILOGY should introduce the Xmen to the MCU with Hope Summers and then go from there.
I hope it’s based on this.
That would be interesting but it feels too soon. Unless this saga is 4 or 5 phases. We need to care about the MCU XMEN for this to have any real impact.
MESSIAH COMPLEX TRILOGY should introduce the Xmen to the MCU with Hope Summers and then go from there.
Soodanim
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The phase is finishing? I didn't realise it actually started, it feels more like an off-season. It's not really gone anywhere and everything feels disconnected because of all the different directions it's going in.
I know this one is a set up phase, but it's such a scattershot of stories that they can't really pull them together nicely like the first time round.
I'll still watch, but it's hard to be as interested as before. I just take it as it comes.
Loki is out of universe
Strange is out of dimension
Wanda is out of being alive
Thor TBD but is off world and possibly out of universe
Fuck knows what happened to Vision
Hawkeye, Spider, Captain Falcon, White Wolf and (maybe) kid Marvel are about too, with Moon Knight also around but possibly unconnected to the rest.
That leaves all the others are around but haven't had movies and likely won't show up because this isn't IW/EG.
Strange is out of dimension
Wanda is out of being alive
Thor TBD but is off world and possibly out of universe
Fuck knows what happened to Vision
Hawkeye, Spider, Captain Falcon, White Wolf and (maybe) kid Marvel are about too, with Moon Knight also around but possibly unconnected to the rest.
That leaves all the others are around but haven't had movies and likely won't show up because this isn't IW/EG.
I know this one is a set up phase, but it's such a scattershot of stories that they can't really pull them together nicely like the first time round.
I'll still watch, but it's hard to be as interested as before. I just take it as it comes.
DeafTourette
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I doubt it. Folks have been saying that for years and it's yet to happen in any capacity.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Both Black Panther and Captain Marvel were 1 billion dollar movies.
I can honestly say people will come in droves to see them both. Especially now since theaters are fully open. That wasn't the case with Shang-Chi and Eternals.
ManaByte
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If anything the movies are making more, just look at NWH and Doctor Strange. They're already saying Thor could hit close to $1 billion as well.
OmegaSupreme
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Besides mutants, I want The Living Tribunal. I want some real cosmic god-level characters.
Classicrockfan
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Will it be Thor new movie that will have the tease,im still wondering if they will continue the story of Star fox and pip the troll,werent they teasing a way to bring back thanos?
ManaByte
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No they were talking about finding the Eternals that were taken at the end of the movie.
OmegaSupreme
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What works in comics doesn't always translate to live-action. I doubt we'll ever see a 5'3 Wolverine in the movies.I just want a short, ugly, antisocial Wolverine losing his fucking mind while fighting sentinels.
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
wanna bet the next wolverine we get is this wolverine
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Classicrockfan
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wanna bet the next wolverine we get is this wolverine
bitbydeath
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Captain Marvel’s success was due to people being told they must watch it before End Game or miss out. The reception was so highly negative that even Kevin realised her next movie couldn’t be about just her.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Yet people all over the world were in LOVE with Black panther...
And about Captain Marvel... Anecdotal but after me and a friend saw a movie, we saw this little black girl going to a marvel movie in a Captain Marvel costume. You may not like it, and from my pov it was mostly males hating on the movie and character, but a lot of others did.
ManaByte
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Brie Larson said she wanted to see more women invited to press junkets and ended up having to have 24/7 studio security at her house.
bitbydeath
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I liked Black Panther, I wish they didn’t kill off Killmonger though.
Captain Marvel was straight trash though, and it’s not because she’s a woman. Black Widow was a far better movie and gasp! She’s a woman!
And if you think Women are disregarded then you’ve clearly never seen Buffy the Vampire Slayer before or heard about it’s reception as one of the best TV shows of all time.
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kruis
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Phase 4 had the unfortunate task to interest the public in movies about much less popular super-heroes since two of Marvel's most popular characters (Iron Man and Captain America) are now gone. And instead of the Avengers we now get The Marvels (featuring Ms, Marvel, Captain Marvel and Monica Rambeau)...
Doom85
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wanna bet the next wolverine we get is this wolverine
I mean, I’d love to see the actress who played Laura in Logan return as an alternate universe version as she was great in the role and it would be a shame to limit her to one film.
But really, and I know some casuals are going to disagree with me here, I hope Logan is kept out of at least the first MCU X-men film. Great character or not, he hogged way too much of the spotlight in the prior films. Meanwhile characters like Cyclops and Storm were done dirty and deserve a better adapted version. Besides, it might help take the pressure off of having the next Logan actor be compared to Jackman if more time has passed.
sol_bad
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You don't really believe that do you? If it really was hated that much, word would have spread quite fast that you didn't need to see the film to understand Endgame as there are basically zero connections to it.
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
But Marvel already did that with Iron Man and Captain America to an extent.
Those were B tier guys in the 90s and 2000s and somehow the MCU made them S-Rank heroes. It's impressive!
TTOOLL
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After Endgame I think I’ve only watched Spider-man and that was a 6/10 for me. Disney milking this shit so much I don’t even care. Also, they won’t ever top Infinity War + Endgame, the slow build up over the years just can’t be replicated.
It’s like expecting Metallica to release a new Master of Puppets.
It’s like expecting Metallica to release a new Master of Puppets.
ManaByte
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Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, Thor, and Captain America didn't have any hint as to where things were going. It wasn't until the very end of Phase 1 that Thanos was hinted at. Just like it wasn't until Doctor Strange 2 that incursions became a thing.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Phase 1 The Avengers
Phase 2 Hydra/Ultron
Phase 3 Civil War/Infinity War
Phase 4 Marvel B Stars/Multiverse
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kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
B-tier? Only compared to Spider-Man and X-Men. Multiple generations have grown up with Iron Man (first appearance in 1963) and Captain America (1941) comics. Those characters belong to the core of the Marvel Universe. If Iron Man and Cap America are B-tier, how would you rate The Eternals or Captain Marvel?
ManaByte
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We're also getting Thunderbolts.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
The release dates were only about a month apart. The rhetoric of needing to understand everything in End Game by watching Captain Marvel first didn’t go away in that time.
ManaByte
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This is an argument that always gets shouted down by people who grew up watching the first Iron Man movie and not understanding that in the 90s Iron Man and Cap were B and C tier characters. That's why Marvel had the rights to make movies based on them because Fox and Sony snatched up the S-tier heroes of the 90s the X-Men and Spider-Man. No other movie studio wanted to make a Captain America or Iron Man movie, so Marvel was able to.
sol_bad
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My point is that barely any of the phase 2 or 3 movies had any direct link to the infinity stones. It was primarily the end credit scenes that did the linking, and not often.
Iron Man 3 - Self contained story. No links to infinity stones. Avengers 1 mentioned.
Thor: The Dark World - Self contained story. Avengers 1 mentioned. End credit scene reveals infinity stone.
Captain America: Winter Soldier - Self contained story. No links to infinity stones.
Guardians of the Galaxy - Self contained story. Infinity Stones mentioned and Thanos cameo.
Avengers: Age of Ultron - Lots of references to previous films. Infinity stones mentioned + end credit scene of Thanos "Fine I'll do it myself".
Ant-Man - Self contained story. No links to infinity stones.
Captain America: Civil War - References to previous films. No links to infinity stones.
Doctor Strange - Self contained story. Infinity Stones mentioned.
Guardians of the Galaxy 2 - Self contained story. No links to infinity stones.
Spider-man: Homcoming - Self contained story with references to Civil War. No links to infinity stones.
Thor: Ragnarok - Self contained story with references to Age of Ultron. One line of dialogue about infinity stones.
Black Panther - Self contained story with references to Civil War. No links to infinity stones.
Ant-Man and the Wasp - Self contained story with references to Ant-Man. No links to infinity stones.
Captain Marvel - Self contained story. No links to infinity stones.
3 out of the 14 movies involve anything related to the infinity stones. Increase that number to 5 if you want to include a single line or a couple of sentences about Infinity stones.
Meanwhile phase 4 looks like this.
WandaVision - Self contained story with references to previous films.
Falcon and the Winter Soldier - Self contained story with references to previous films. End credit scene hints at Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers. Young Avenger introduction.
Loki - Self contained story with references to previous films. Hints at incursions/secret wars.
Black Widow - Self contained story with references to Civil War. End credit scene hints at Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers.
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings - Self contained story with references to Iron Man 3.
Eternals - Self contained story with references to previous films. The film hints at a potential war against the Celestials.
Hawkeye. Self contained story with references to previous films. Young Avenger introduction.
Spider-Man: No Way Home - Self contained story with references to previous films.
Moon Knight - Self contained story.
Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. Self contained story with references to previous films. Hints at incursions/secret wars. Young Avenger introduction.
Ms Marvel - Self contained story. Young Avenger introduction.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I'm not that invested to write an essay response I'm sure some Marvel fan can, but honestly if you didn't see the connections (and I give you that it can be something small when introducing new characters in their respective film) from Phase 1-3
I don't what to say other then, you probably need to rewatch them.
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ManaByte
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I've seen every one multiple times and saw them as they released, every single one in theaters. Phase 4 is just like Phase 1 where there's very little hinting at the larger saga outside of Doctor Strange. There's more Thunderbolts and Young Avengers setup in it, just like Phase 1 was setting up the first Avengers.
sol_bad
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I've watched all of these movies many times and I know exactly what connections are and aren't there.
You need to go back and read the original post that I replied to, it was about the overarching Saga. Phase 1-3 was the infinity saga but phase 1 basically had nothing to do with the infinity stones at all, just a tease for Thanos at the end of Avengers 1. My post above is about what films directly link to the overarching saga of the infinity stones.
Lunarorbit
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They have definitely lost some steam. I think that Chadwick bosman dying completely unended what Marvel had planned. He was gonna be that flagship character that would anchor everything. Namor is gonna be the bsd guy in BP 2 and him and tchalla are mortal enemies most of the time. I imagine his death by the atlantians will start the next movie off.
Then you have Kang which is where antman is going. I'm gonna assume that Kang will be a several movie /show character that will eventually lead to fantastic four.
Xmen I bet get teased soon in one of the movies. Having a wolverine cameo at the end credits might be on the nose so maybe cyclops is in the background with red glasses but it's out of focus so people argue that it's Matt Murdock instead.
Actually tease something instead of showing it outright in the after credits scene
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Well I wasn't really discounting Phase 4 as not having connections
It does but like you said it more like Phase 1
what I was saying is Phase 1-3 are intertwined if you look closely enough.
All the Phase 1 films connect to bring the Avengers together.
And the Tesseract a vessel for the Space Stone
You sure you watched them?