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Ferrio said:
I need to find a character with a good assist. I have shehulk, and hers blow but I'm not replacing her. Leilei's is awesome *only* if you can get the super armor on here, which is easier said than done.
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When I attempt to use her for her assist, I start with her on point and usually back away from people and get it out as soon as the fight starts... once the animation starts she's good. If she takes a hit while I'm switching out with A1 or A2, it's no biggie, so long as she doesn't eat a combo and get bodied.
 
haunts said:
Uploading matches from Tight or Fight this weekend -- first one is up and pretty funny. Crizzle vs ND Lee: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYXf55iwjjc
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Man.

Man.

No lie, I even missed this stream and actually envisioned a setup like this not even 5 minutes ago for a fight, except it was with Doom with the Buktooth Loop which I'm working on with adding X-factor in the middle of it - wow.

I wish I could have seen that live, just for the reactions.
 
Darkman M said:
Sentinel has an huge hitbox and is vulnerable to Sentinel only combos.
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True, but it pales in comparison to all of his other amazing properties and abilities. It really doesn't compensate for them. Sounds like it should on paper, but doesn't really. Doesn't that huge hit box also result in a huge active hit area on his attacks? Like that frying pan or cr. B? They're huge attacks! Seems like the size issue is a wash. Bringing his health down would a good quick-fix to even the playing field, and I really can't see a reason why that would be offensive to people. Doesn't he have the highest health in the game? All things considered that seems like the least disruptive thing they could do.
 
I got to play this with some friends who didn't have any fighting game experience this weekend. Made me feel good about myself because I could neutralize the spam that is created from people who haven't really played fighting games before. My friend chose a Deadpool/Wolverine/Trish combination and pretty much did nothing but projectiles and Berserker Barrage (although he did start getting creative with traps once he got comfortable with Tristh). It's not as frustrating when you're teaching a friend the game, plus it helps me to learn against the idiot online players.

I've decided I love Ammy as a point character, just because for some reason it is so much easier for me to do ridiculous combos with her as opposed to other characters. Iron Man is also a team staple for me just because I can use his moves to punish fairly easily, and his Unibeam assist helps me clear the way for Ammy. I think Dormaamu is going to be my third, but I haven't quite got to kickassery levels with him. Is Ammy/Iron Man/Dormaamu even possible as a good team combination?

I got the strategy guide this weekend, so I'm going to start taking a look at that and practicing some more. Sooner or later I'll get the courage to start challenging GAFfers.
 
2&2 said:
True, but it pales in comparison to all of his other amazing properties and abilities. It really doesn't compensate for them. Sounds like it should on paper, but doesn't really. Doesn't that huge hit box also result in a huge active hit area on his attacks? Like that frying pan or cr. B? They're huge attacks! Seems like the size issue is a wash. Bringing his health down would a good quick-fix to even the playing field, and I really can't see a reason why that would be offensive to people. Doesn't he have the highest health in the game? All things considered that seems like the least disruptive thing they could do.
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Someone wasn't watching Winter Brawl last night. Sents got stomped all over by She Hulk, Wolverine, Ammy and a variety of other characters. Hell, Ammy is a Sentinel killer. Sent has his size, Ammy has hers.
 
Alucrid said:
Someone wasn't watching Winter Brawl last night. Sents got stomped all over by She Hulk, Wolverine, Ammy and a variety of other characters. Hell, Ammy is a Sentinel killer. Sent has his size, Ammy has hers.
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I saw some of it :P, but I don't think the best 1% of the players in the country being able to beat him makes it a moot issue. Were talking about the elite minority, they could destroy anyone with any character. If those payers had been using him too, it probably would have been just as ugly a beatdown using him. All I got from that is it requires the best in the country to beat him with characters specifically chosen to beat him. That indicates to me how much of an issue he is. All IMO, obviously.
 
2&2 said:
I saw some of it :P, but I don't think the best 1% of the players in the country being able to beat him makes it a moot issue. Were talking about the elite minority, they could destroy anyone with any character. If those payers had been using him too, it probably would have been just as ugly a beatdown using him. All I got from that is it requires the best in the country to beat him with characters specifically chosen to beat him. That indicates to me how much of an issue he is. All IMO, obviously.
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I mean, stuff like that didn't happen solely in the top 8 and definitely only with the best of the best. Ammy is great because she can move under his beams, has that nice overhead which nails Sent because of his size, etc. etc. I mean, J Wong was zoning the shit outta sent with Cold Star. Sure it's J Wong, but zoning isn't difficult to do, you just have to read your opponents well and Cold Star is easily canceled into Okami Shuffle.
 
I really want to take Wong's teams and just x-copy everything he does. The She-Hulk team looks a bit more my style. Hopefully SRK has a thread that describes all his combos and mixups.
 
You'll (read: I) never beat a mission mode in fighting games.

*sadfrog.jpg*

I can't get past level 4-5 when they start wanting st. st. st. cr. cr. L/M/H attacks into S launches. :/
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It just takes practice. My first day or two I was capping out at ~5 for everyone. Now I've finished 4 and am at 7-9 with the rest. Start with the longer combos for slow characters, because they tend to be simpler. Hulk's were the first I finished, and I don't even use the character.

You don't even need to do that. Like I said: Switch-ins are "jump state," you can easily hit them with an attack/beam attack if you're good at catching people on reaction.
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Indeed, but it happens fast enough that most attacks can't punish on reaction. The only time I've ever caught someone on the jump-in is when I was doing Chaotic Flame to chip an opponent out and he swapped during the startup animation.

A damage nerf would be nice too, but just dropping his health would be even easier. Just dropping his health seems like an easy fix for one of the main complaints about the game. Worst case scenario, they roll it back if it doesn't work. Thoughts?
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I think it's the second week of this game being out, and people should not be so quick to label a character as powerful. Personally, Dark Phoenix scares me a hell of a lot more than Sentinel. I'll deal with a level 3 X-Factored Sentinel, but I'll run for 60 seconds rather than face a level 3 X-Factored Dark Phoenix. Hulk also scares me more than Sentinel.

Sentinel has some huge disadvantages, such as character-only combos. Everyone is new and doing basic combos though, so these disadvantages are not yet obvious. He has huge startup on all of his attacks, making him very prone to horizontal mix-ups. He also has serious problems actually getting a hit in against a player who is good at blocking and knows what sort of priority he has on all of his moves. Everything he does is hugely choreographed.

True, but it pales in comparison to all of his other amazing properties and abilities. It really doesn't compensate for them. Sounds like it should on paper, but doesn't really. Doesn't that huge hit box also result in a huge active hit area on his attacks? Like that frying pan or cr. B? They're huge attacks! Seems like the size issue is a wash. Bringing his health down would a good quick-fix to even the playing field, and I really can't see a reason why that would be offensive to people. Doesn't he have the highest health in the game? All things considered that seems like the least disruptive thing they could do.
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Yeah, the hitbox on his attacks is pretty big, but so are Dante's. Haggar's pipe has a massive hitbox, etc. j.S has a massive hitbox, but how can you not see it coming? Sentinel can only do one thing in the air: attack from the air. He no longer does chip on his normals, so just block it and pushblock him away. Same thing while he's on the ground. Sentinel can either attack low or command throw, and the command throw is only scary if you're cornered. So block low. Sentinel's most powerful tool right now is the ignorance and inexperience of the playerbase.

I saw some of it :P, but I don't think the best 1% of the players in the country being able to beat him makes it a moot issue
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It's important when the best 1% are beating the other best 1% when they use Sentinel. A game should not be balanced around mediocre players.

All I got from that is it requires the best in the country to beat him with characters specifically chosen to beat him.
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Sentinel got stomped by a huge range of characters. Some beat him easier than others, but that's the case with everything.
 
LOL, I decided to join Sentinel

my 2nd reserve team is composed of Dr. Doom (Melecular Shield), S.Skrull (Tenderizer), Sentinel (anoying upward things that cover the screen)
 
I remember the PSN/XBLA ports of Marvel vs Capcom 2 let you use duplicate characters in local play. If MvC3 comes out on more powerful hardware 10 years from now I want to see some Sentinel/Sentinel/Sentinel vs. Sentinel/Sentinel/Sentinel for the lulz.
 
Right now I'm having fun putting together teams and figuring out ways to improve them. Spencer/Dorm/Haggar (team bullshit destroyers, since they have such great tool against them), Zero/Wesker/Tron (a team designed to get me to start using assists more), and my brand new one, team giants (Hulk, Haggar, Sentinel). My team giants is my excuse for finally learning Sentinel. People can't bitch at me for picking Sentinel, I need him to complete my theme. Of course Sentinel HAS to be the anchor of that team, as both Hulk and Haggar can't do shit about zoning without his assist.
 
LakeEarth said:
I really want to take Wong's teams and just x-copy everything he does. The She-Hulk team looks a bit more my style. Hopefully SRK has a thread that describes all his combos and mixups.
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i like that team a lot more b/c he can rushdown much safer b/c there is just so much more health on them. wolverine/storm/akuma gets punished too hard off of one mistake.
 
Darkman M said:
Sentinel has an huge hitbox and is vulnerable to Sentinel only combos.
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Yet his hitbox prevents Jill's infinite from working on him. Go figure. :P
And also, that hit box is often offset by his armor and ridiculous health. :(

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Karsticles -- In the hands of average players, I'm more afraid of Sent/Hulk than I am of Dark Phoenix. Usually I can body most of the other players team and get Dark Phoenix out quick while I still have so players left and Xfactor. I bodied one the other day who was XFC3 dark phoenix cause he was just using her like people are using Sentinel...
 
_dementia said:
I remember the PSN/XBLA ports of Marvel vs Capcom 2 let you use duplicate characters in local play. If MvC3 comes out on more powerful hardware 10 years from now I want to see some Sentinel/Sentinel/Sentinel vs. Sentinel/Sentinel/Sentinel for the lulz.
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Let us clone Justin Wong in the year 2020 and arrange for Wong vs Wong 3-on-3 all Sentinel action.

In fact, why stop with dual fisted Wongs? Rack 'em and stack 'em. Evo 2k20 Full Wong Special. Each Wong picks a triplicate team of 3xSent, 3xTron, or 3xShe-Hulk.
 
_dementia said:
I remember the PSN/XBLA ports of Marvel vs Capcom 2 let you use duplicate characters in local play. If MvC3 comes out on more powerful hardware 10 years from now I want to see some Sentinel/Sentinel/Sentinel vs. Sentinel/Sentinel/Sentinel for the lulz.
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Wasn't this in the original version of the game?

I would guess the reason we can't have same characters now is because there are only four color schemes.
 
The more time i've been able to sink into this i'm just really unhappy with how the balance turned out, i'm looking at you sentinel. I don't expect it to be fine tuned perfection with a huge roster but this thing needs a patch seriously. I am not even having fun in online matches anymore. If they pick sentinel i'm forced to do the same and it's not entertainment in the slightest.
 
.la1n said:
The more time i've been able to sink into this i'm just really unhappy with how the balance turned out, i'm looking at you sentinel. I don't expect it to be fine tuned perfection with a huge roster but this thing needs a patch seriously. I am not even having fun in online matches anymore. If they pick sentinel i'm forced to do the same and it's not entertainment in the slightest.
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... by the day, more and more embarrassing traps for Sentinel are discovered. At this rate, bitching that Sentinel entirely ruins the game is going to turn into the new "throws are cheap!"

Even online where lag can enable ultimate noob spam tactics, I can't imagine taking apart Sentinel with characters like Amy is too hard, with what we are seeing now.
 
my only problem will Sentinel is that he has too many armor moves

I makes it risky(specially for some characters) to be anywhere on the screen against him, offense or defense.
 
Man, Sent doesn't even seem to be the scariest thing in the game, at the moment. Sure if you get hit, it's death, but same with someone like Ammy or Wolverine. They are way smaller and faster than Sent is, and have just as much bullshit, if not more. You also have Tron and her Gdlk assist, which leads to even crazier bs, and the fact that she is Sent number 2 in the game. Of course, there is always Phoenix nonsense.

It's easy for me to formulate a plan on what to do when I see a team with sent. Not so much when I don't...

Yo, I think Magus has the illest Dante I've seen these past two weeks. Nobody on the east coast was really using him as stylishly.
 
Master Milk said:
Wasn't this in the original version of the game?

I would guess the reason we can't have same characters now is because there are only four color schemes.
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Was it unlockable or something? I played the DC game not too long ago and could do no such thing (unless I wanted both bone claws and adamantium Wolvie, but that's not the same lol).
 
Sentinel is like an upper tier character with an amazing assist at top tier play. He is definitely beatable by a lot of the characters and having him on your team will not make it an easy win for you. The last 3 major tournaments I have seen, Sentinel wasn't even on the team of the guy who got 1st place.

But at scrub tier play, he is GOD tier. Super armor, mouth beams, frying pan, high health, high damage, easy to play, godly assist and powerful easy to combo into supers. Having him on your team greatly increases your chance to win at lower level play.

He is scary when you first fight him but after exploring other characters you will realize that even Spider Man can rape Sentinel (Spider Man is much better in this game and he is able to bypass and counter a lot of Sentinel's bs).
 
Dahbomb said:
Sentinel is like an upper tier character with an amazing assist at top tier play. He is definitely beatable by a lot of the characters and having him on your team will not make it an easy win for you. The last 3 major tournaments I have seen, Sentinel wasn't even on the team of the guy who got 1st place.

But at scrub tier play, he is GOD tier. Super armor, mouth beams, frying pan, high health, high damage, easy to play, godly assist and powerful easy to combo into supers. Having him on your team greatly increases your chance to win at lower level play.

He is scary when you first fight him but after exploring other characters you will realize that even Spider Man can rape Sentinel (Spider Man is much better in this game and he is able to bypass and counter a lot of Sentinel's bs).
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Yeah, as I was saying a while back, the only real problem I see with the game is that scrub-to-mid-tier play is dominated by a bunch of extreme easymode tactics. Even so, I feel the jury is still out on that. The more I see, the more I play, I start to wonder if the positive aspects of the game at higher levels all but require it be open to abuse at lower levels. (i.e. you can't have everything in a single design).

For the moment, I suspect there will be a huge amount of meta over time that turns this into one hell of a game. Somewhat similar to SF3's initial complete dismissal because of beginner level parry tactics, only to see the game transform after the mindgame phase truly began.
 
I had so much fun on this yesterday, getting put against people who were just my level, but today, FUCK!, all i've played is people who are on 20 win streaks.

I think i might have to be just a weekend player.
 
corrosivefrost said:
When I attempt to use her for her assist, I start with her on point and usually back away from people and get it out as soon as the fight starts... once the animation starts she's good. If she takes a hit while I'm switching out with A1 or A2, it's no biggie, so long as she doesn't eat a combo and get bodied.
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Until you find someone who isn't a retard, and will press her to make sure she doesn't activate it, or punish the raw tag. I'm putting SheHulk on point now and DHCin'g the second hit of emerald cannon now, then raw tagging out. It's enough time to get tron in without getting punished.

Now the hard part is figuring out how to play tron. Got some decent combos down, just need to learn how to get in properly as her. Can you OTG after her drill move?
 
It's funny as hell when I bump into another Hsien-Ko user, 'cause we both know to rush her down ASAP.

She has better tools against rushdown than what people give her credit for though. Those normals are solid.

SixStringPsycho said:
YES!

DLC content available tomorrow

here it is
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=150114808383788
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And I had just run out of titles to unlock. Free update? Nice.
 
eggybob said:
I had so much fun on this yesterday, getting put against people who were just my level, but today, FUCK!, all i've played is people who are on 20 win streaks.
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Yeah I'm having the opposite problem, I keep playing people who aren't good and my improvement is suffering for it.
 
Sixfortyfive said:
It's funny as hell when I bump into another Hsien-Ko user, 'cause we both know to rush her down ASAP.

She has better tools against rushdown than what people give her credit for though. Those normals are solid.
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Facing a wolverine or something is hellish, and one mistake and she's pretty much dead even to a simple combo. Having her assist just throughout the match is working okay, though having her for clutch victories hrmm. She works well when X-factored, but still don't feel comfortable with her like that.
 
Sixfortyfive said:
It's funny as hell when I bump into another Hsien-Ko user, 'cause we both know to rush her down ASAP.

She has better tools against rushdown than what people give her credit for though. Those normals are solid.


And I had just run out of titles to unlock. Free update? Nice.
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Thats whats great. More practice for the tournament
 
Just to clarify, Shadow mode is basically a mode where we play AI that's tuned to fit the playstyle of the team that was involved in developing Marvel 3?
 
vidal said:
Just to clarify, Shadow mode is basically a mode where we play AI that's tuned to fit the playstyle of the team that was involved in developing Marvel 3?
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Yes, but I assume they will release more AI's based off real players for $$$ in the future. First they need to figure out how those real players play hah.
 
_dementia said:
Was it unlockable or something? I played the DC game not too long ago and could do no such thing (unless I wanted both bone claws and adamantium Wolvie, but that's not the same lol).
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Yea, after you unlock everyone and have all the colors you can pick the same person on the same team.

I'm thoroughly disinterested in this costume pack. Has another been announced? Why weren't they all announced at the same time? Isn't that what they did for SF, show off all the costumes then stagger the release over weeks?
 
Ashkeloth said:
Goddamn, this game is 10 kinds of fucked in every conceivable way.

It seems like (at least on PSN), there is a noticable line in rank difference, except all the high rank players suck, but know how to abuse the games brokeness, whilst all the low rank ones just suck.

Some characters are just bullshit such as Chun-Li (invincible legs to all but hyper combos), Wolverine (infinite mixups and spam berserker barrage to keep you literally unable to move from blockstun and advancing guard doesn't work because it moves him forward), Dante (A billion moves and all people use are 3 of them), SENTINEL, Wesker (Teleport, shoot, teleport, shoot etc.) and even Amaterasu (and it hurts me to say that, because I really like Okami, but seeing every cheap team online use her like a $10 hooker really cheapens the character for me).

X-Factor is a shit game mechanic that completely breaks the game with some characters.

People still mash c. light in this game, but in this, they can get 70% damage on a character from it.

Easy as hell execution (You though Blazblue was easy? Hah. The hardest this game gets is a HCB)

No burst or breakaway mechanic (No it's fine, I love sitting in this corner trying to block 100 moves before I can throw out a well timed counter that will probably be stuffed due to the shit priority on all of my character's moves) (Crossover counter? They're probably mashing c. light when it comes in)

Completely broken netcode and matchmaking

No single player game to speak of despite being promised a good story mode.

Worst of all, though, Capcom's response to this is "Hey guys, who wants to buy some new characters and costumes? Only $5"

Fuck this game. 10 years of bullshit should have cemented in my mind this game would not be balanced (and fun to play), but I guess hype overrode that for that last couple of months.

Guess I'll go back to SF4. The worst I have to put up with there is a mashed out DP or random ultra here or there.
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lol kid go back to SF4, this game is too fast for you.

Try to pick up Ammy or Wolverine or Dante and win with them, it's not as easy as it looks.

Especially with ammy - he looks all flashy but getting damage with him isn't super easy and his combos do take some skill.
 
Also, I was having a hard time in challenge mode... couldn't figure why I was missing basic air combos with Shehulk. Realized then there was no lag, so I wasn't use to the timing, so much more time to enter stuff! Wish I could play others like that.
 
MrMephistoX said:
Retroactive LMFAO at the whiners who kept insisting that Shadow Mode was paid. They even took the trouble to bold the fact that it is FREE
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You tell 'em. I'm sure they will be so upset that they're getting something for free.
 
Sweet. I can get some DLC tomorrow!

Also I heard some mention of Spiderman a second ago. Has anyone made any teams that really found a way to make him irreplaceable yet? I keep finding anything he can do pulled off better by other cast.

I know he's got some great low combos and he can stay away pretty well to set up for web ball->Maximum Spider DHC stuff but I just get better DHC setups with other cast and for low combos I've been rolling She-hulk like a boss for a week and finding no one on her level for comparison.

I'm seriously curious if there is something that only Spiderman has that a team can be worked around.
 
MrMephistoX said:
Retroactive LMFAO at the whiners who kept insisting that Shadow Mode was paid. They even took the trouble to bold the fact that it is FREE
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Duh of course it's free, it's the actual AI's they'll charge for.
 
I really curious how one makes a "shadow" AI.

The costumes are fantastic and each of them is awesome(maybe except Thor, but a classic throwback is always appreciated. I almost typed thorwback...). Personally already like them more than 90% of what we got in (S)SFIV. I'll probably wait for a deal to get them though.
 
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