Unspeakable Evil
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How does Kamala have a chance but Gwenpool/Morales have 0? If we went by movies and TV shows wouldn't Miles have a bigger chance than MS Marvel?
Marvel Vs. Capcom: Infinite Characters and Stages Roster Discussion Thread
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You could argue that Miles' movie is animated & not in the MCU, but it's still a movie and Marvel & Sony are buddy-buddy, now. Either way, Ms. Marvel has a better chance of getting in the MCU in the near future than Miles does, even though I fully expect both to make their MCU debut at some point.
As mentioned before, she's getting a push in the cartoons, so Songbird getting in would be that out-of-the-blue.
Red Arremer
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Marvel loves promoting their current characters via games. They have been doing that for years now. Morales is one of their most popular and heavily pushed properties in recent years. He is so popular that they did Secret Wars 2 pretty much only to bring him over to the main universe (while also killing off big parts of the multiverse as they weren't fond of it)
Unspeakable Evil
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Yeah that's what I meant. Miles and Kamala-Khan aren't going anywhere so I'm not sure how one has better chance than the other...
I'm not sure if it was the reason, seeing as Hickman built up to Secret Wars 2 for well over 2 years. Miles being brought over to the main MU was likely a nice bonus.
Even then, I do kinda expect Ms. Marvel more than I expect Miles. Though since he was originally planned for UMvC3, Capcom may have some moveset concepts already done for Miles (like Doc Ock).
Not saying i agree but:
Kamala = fresh new "mantle" character that was extremely well recieved by fans and Marvel has been capitalizing on.
Gwenpool = niche character that most people don't quite even understand her schtick and the general populace would perceive as the poor man's deadpool.
Miles = While everything i said about Kamala applies to Miles there is one key difference, his mantle is Spider-man, unlike the Ms. Marvel mantle that never achieved the icon status Spidey has, there is no way they could pass up on Peter for Miles as rep and in a game of this profile they wouldn't have two spider-man, what he can hope tho is being an alternate of peter and "injustice" the shit out of him by giving him a role as a separate character in story mode even if he's just a palette swap.
AdmiralMikey
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I think we'd be more likely to get Morales as an alternate costume for standard Spidey, same with the two Thors being alternate costumes, maybe even with different dialogue recorded.
As mentioned earlier, Miles was gonna be his own character in UMvC3, so Capcom may already have a unique moveset planned for Miles. Remember, Miles has some powers that Peter lacks (Ex: Venom Blast, invisibility, etc.). If I had to make a comparison, Miles is to Peter as X-23 is to Wolverine.
Dor Miles, Marvel is pushing him quite a bit and he has a movie coming out in the near future. There will be two Spidermen in theaters, their can be two Spidermen in the game.
Red Arremer
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I think it's possible for them to do a palette swap for Spidey to reference him but still have Parker waer the duds, but no way would Miles be an alt costume. His powerset is different from Parker.
BassForever
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But the characters that would make a 3v3 roster aren't the same as those that'll make a smaller 2v2 roster. Even under the assumption that marvel had no restrictions for capcom do you really think x-23 or miles morales would make a 16-18 character roster when wolverine and spider man (parker) are likely in first? SF5's base roster and story mode is probably a better indication of how both capcom and marvel's starting roster will be vs planned for dlc down the road.
DaytimeWhiskey
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4 Darkstalkers reps in the base roster??
I find that hard to believe
I find that hard to believe
Starphoenix
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Zero is in that list, so I'm good.
DaytimeWhiskey
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This. Would also love a playable Sigma
Jawmuncher
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Miles makes sense to me.
Make a Spider-Man character newbies can actually play and have fun with. Regular Spider-Man is an ass to play with unless you're pro.
Make a Spider-Man character newbies can actually play and have fun with. Regular Spider-Man is an ass to play with unless you're pro.
Yeah but those all games are heavily under controlled by Marvel and most of them are mobile etc. For lego its just one skin. Marvel Heroes one is interesting (i am assuming she has own character instead of skin of thor). Because making a console tier character costs much more.Still those are all my opinions but i think it will be very safe roster from Marvel.
ps i forgot about miles movie but still dont think he will be in. Spider Man glorified costume like Injustice 2 maybe.
Gorilla Blade
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Marvel can suck my dick.
But Pietro & Wanda aren't mutan......oh, right.
It's kinda funny how far the cartoons were going to ignore the mutants recently.
[In reference to the alleged leak] I'm 90% sure if X-Men/FF characters aren't available in the main game as it currently stands, delaying it to after 2017 wouldn't change that. My guess this is a contractual thing, since Marvel vs Capcom Infinite was in talks before the theoretical lifting of the Fox ban, the contract for it was drawn out with that particular exclusion in mind. This might not apply for DLC, hence the whole DLC only thing.
Why do people keep saying this? The multiverse is mostly intact. The only confirmed universe missing is the Ultimate one. The main universe is still 616, there's still multiverse stuff all over the place. Sue/Reed + Children are out there restoring everything as they can.
Gorilla Blade
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Actually I'm just complaining about how garbage that sounds.
direct_quote
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No gene in either of those lists so screw that...
It's all Perlmutter right? I dislike the dude. He seems like a real POS for running a major part of a company like Marvel.
Or Asura.
Yup, it's mainly Perlmutter.
Red Arremer
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and you think MvC is not gonna be under heavy control of Marvel, if we know for a fact they're going to be a lot more involved with the development and marketing, and knowing what we do about UMvC3's development?
How can you say that they won't be basically dictating the Marvel side of the roster and use it to push the characters they want to push? Heck, they've done it in MvC3 already. Remember the outrage when Rocket Raccoon was revealed? Other than dieehard comic book fans nobody knew about the guy. MODOK was in a similar boat, same with X23.
You call it a skin but she is given a character slot instead of a costume slot.
She is an enhanced skin, i.e. new model, voiceover, effects and her name changes accordingly. Much like Beta Ray Bill. But that's mostly cause her powerset is identical to Thor's, and making heroes takes them a while. That said, both Kamala and Miles also were made Teamup heroes, ans Miles was on the shortlist to become playable and was put on a poll along with 5 or so other heroes, but Angela was chosen from that poll. Miles was placed 3rd on that poll if I remember right, after Angela and Wasp.
Expecting Doc Ock, Agent Venom or *snort* Brock Venom (of all people) over Miles is the unsafe option, though.
Again, their powerset is way too different for that.
BassForever
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You're right we've never seen an alternate costume that was inappropriate for a moveset in mvc before
*looks at x skin for zero*
Oh
*looks at x skin for zero*
Oh
Red Arremer
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The X skin is different because
a.) it was not on the Marvel side
b.) it wasn't an enhanced skin with new voiceover etc.
c.) Capcom didn't give a shit about pushing Megaman. Marvel does care about Miles.
d.) Capcom can do whatever the fuck they want to their own properties but Marvel is massively militant about the character portrayal in these games. Remember they insisted on fixing Dr. Strange's hand gestures? No way would they have a character as a skin of another character with such a different powerset.
The 2 aren't even remotely comparable.
Don't act like you don't like the ballbuster! (Ballbuster!)
Iron Man has a Norman Osborn skin, Spider-Man has a Ben Reilly skin, Ghost Rider has a Kenshiro Cochrane skin, Nova has a Sam Alexander skin, and Shuma-Gorath has a Quoggoth skin.
Red Arremer
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Neither of which change the voicework or the character wearing it. It's still Stark in Iron Patriot (he even has a line saying he can smell Osborne's hairgel!!). I guess Scarlet Spider is arguable but since Ben is a clone of Parker we will never know. Also, none of those characters have different powersets compared to the original. Well Quoggoth might but then again Shuma's MvC portrayal isn't entirely accurate to his comic character to say the least. He's the odd one out really.
"glorified skin like in Injustice 2" means to me significant changes such as different voiceover, effects, HUD name display etc.
BassForever
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I was focused more on the idea that miles can't even be a basic skin ignoring what inj 2 did. Afaik no game has done what inj 2 has done for alternate costumes besides inj 2.
Cochrane has eye lasers, transforming hands, camouflage, and self-healing. Sam Alexander has telekinesis.
There's still nothing stopping Peter Parker from just wearing Miles Morales' costume, though.
Red Arremer
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I already said that IF Miles is a costume, it will be as a palette swap as a reference to Miles, much like the Red Hulk and Red She-Hulk palette swaps in MvC3. It still was referred to as Hulk/She-Hulk, had no different VO or effects etc.
Red Arremer
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Smash 4 is doing it too with Olimar and Alph. And Marvel Heroes has about a dozen of enhanced costumes that change the character model, effects, voice and displayed name.
BassForever
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And the point Ryce and I are making is that having different powers or being different people has not stopped other examples including in this very franchise from being an alt costume. Power wise Miles may be completely different from Peter Parker, but that doesn't mean capcom won't alternate costume him anyways.
I haven't played mkx and I forgot about Smash.
Choppasmith
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OT, but that 4 parter was legit good, anyone who (rightfully) scoffed at current Marvel Animation should really give it a shot. Really reminded me of the classic Cadmus arc from JLU. The season as a whole is really solid aside from the Thunderbolts episode where they made the Avengers painfully dumb.
As for that list, eh, I can see Songbird as a left field pick, but honestly there's no feeling of OMG MAKE IT HAPPEN! HOPE IT'S TRUE! for me. It looks too safe.
Red Arremer
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I think we are miscommunicating. I talk about alt costume as in the "injustice 2 glorified skin" thing. A whole different character using the same moveset and character slot, just different voice, effects, displayed name etc.
Alt colours are an entirely different pair of shoes.
To be fair, telekinesis may be a general Nova power, so Richie may be able to use it, too.
Oh, yeah, Miles definitely wouldn't get that treatment.
Red Arremer
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See, so we argued over nothing since we agree lol.
BassForever
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So you're saying they wouldn't inj 2 miles since his powers are too different, but if they alternate color/costume him where its still Peter in Mile's costume thats fair game? Thats the point you're trying to make?
Edit: see the above post yeah this was awkward lol lack of real info has made us jumpy
I'd rather have any other Spider character as a 2nd than Miles. He's just soooo boring. You can't just make him black/hispanic and call it a day. He has to have personality, and I just don't think he has an identity outside of being the black/hispanic spidey. Kamala is a much more developed character in comparison.
That being said, I expect Miles because he almost made it into UmVC3, but I do not think he deserves a spot.
That being said, I expect Miles because he almost made it into UmVC3, but I do not think he deserves a spot.
Doc Ock also made to UMC3 almost. I would be okay if Venom,Ock,Spidey was main reps
Yes and yes. Though I would be ok with a lot of his villains making the cut. Those two, Mysterio, Sandman, and Green Goblin could all have interesting playstyles.
Red Arremer
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Pretty much the same here. I just am realistic and having paid a bit of attention to the characters Marvel is pushing, Miles and Gwen are pretty much on top of the Spidey corner of Marvel.