Marvel Vs. Capcom: Infinite Characters and Stages Roster Discussion Thread

As far as enzo's post, my guess is Mike knows it wouldn't be cool to outright say Marvel had more control over that side of the roster than they did. With that, he had to add another spin to it to not give off the wrong idea. The MCU roster doesn't lie, though. Interested in seeing how he'll address this one.

The stuff about "fan service" is an outright lie if the roster ends up being true. He's most likely looking at it from a DLC standpoint, which is whatever. The main game should be the priority first and foremost.

He also said the roster won't be disappointing when the guy asked him if it'd be disappointingly low.
 
IntelliHeath said:
This time, we were talking about this twitter account, not RikuRikuMore.

He said Tom Holland would voice Spider-Man in MVCI. My point is none of MCU actors and actresses voiced any of those characters in the game, so why would Tom Holland would be the exceptional in this case?
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Yeah, but he says Riku is legit. But that's also conflicting because the Twitter leaker says X-Men/FF are in the base but Riku says they're not.

It's not like they have to get every actor to reprise their roles, the budget for that kind of thing would be stupid. But one or two characters? Sure. Even though it'd be weird because they're not all MCU voices and it's inconsistent. Again, I doubt that's the case (IIRC wasn't there a rumour at the top of this year that Chris Hemsworth would voice Thor or something?). I'm pretty sure some singular actors have reprised their on-screen roles as VAs in console or mobile titles, but nothing comes to mind. Neoxon can probably speak to whether I'm remembering right on this.
 
Doctrine Dark said:
I don't see an issue like this affecting its popularity in the FGC, but that's so minuscule to the demographic they're trying to sell this game to. The FGC will get over it. Casuals likely won't. They'd just avoid it altogether if it doesn't seem appealing to them.
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Outside of the lack of X-Men, I don't think casuals would have much of an issue with the roster. They're casuals. They like the most mainstream stuff like Hulk, Iron Man, and Spider-Man, and if they like Capcom, they may just be fine with Ryu, Chris, and Dante. They probably wouldn't care that there isn't much non-MCU representation, or that Okami, Viewtiful Joe, and Final Fight don't have reps.
 
enzo_gt said:
Yeah, but he says Riku is legit. But that's also conflicting because the Twitter leaker says X-Men/FF are in the base but Riku says they're not.

It's not like they have to get every actor to reprise their roles, the budget for that kind of thing would be stupid. But one or two characters? Sure. Even though it'd be weird because they're not all MCU voices and it's inconsistent. Again, I doubt that's the case (IIRC wasn't there a rumour at the top of this year that Chris Hemsworth would voice Thor or something?). I'm pretty sure some singular actors have reprised their on-screen roles as VAs in console or mobile titles, but nothing comes to mind. Neoxon can probably speak to whether I'm remembering right on this.
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There was a rumor from a fellow GAFer (not Ryce or Sneakers) that there would be MCU actors voicing their characters in MvCI. I remember him having a Saitama avatar with a yellow background, though he posted the rumor on Twitter.
 
Neoxon said:
There was a rumor from a fellow GAFer (not Ryce or Sneakers) that there would be MCU actors voicing their characters in MvCi. I remember him having a Saitama avatar with a yellow background, though he posted the rumor on Twitter.
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You aren't talking about Nibel, are you? Why would he know anything? He's just our favorite memelord.
 
1) Sneakers got banned? Why?

2) To throw some extra fuel onto the fire:

The Facebook Live stream right after announcement (at the very end of the video)::
Interviewer: A fan asked about roster size, we obviously can't say who's in it, but can you say that the roster size is comparable to-
Bill Rosemann: It's going to be huge ... and yes, the answer is yes.

Also more by the fans for the fans stuff. Again, big part of their (limited) messaging thus far has been that this is true to the series, full of fan service, etc. You can't say that shit with a straight face without having Wolverine and MSS. At LEAST Wolverine and Magneto.

3) Allegedly Ryce commenting on Riku leaks at GameFAQs (I'm inferring based on a secondary source that it's his account):

Saying "Venom, Songbird, Captain Commando, Leon, Black Panther, and Doctor Octopus will be DLC" ONLY after the full roster was leaked is awfully convenient and reeks of desperation. There's no mistaking which characters will be available on day one and which ones won't, especially from a leaking perspective. He had them all lumped in with the on-disc characters with absolutely no indication that some of them might be DLC. He was wrong. A few months ago, he said that we would next hear about the game at E3 -- he was wrong then, too. He had no idea about the big worldwide April press tour. He also said that we "might" get an X-Men trailer at E3, which he's completely changed his tune on.

All Riku does is compile leaks he thinks might be legitimate and peppers in a few new guesses of his own. Whenever he's proven wrong he deletes his threads and pulls the "moderators hate me!" card or uses the "plans change!" or "wait, it'll be future DLC!" defense. He's nothing more than a compulsive liar.
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On re-reading it, my earlier post was a little too harsh (I don't know Riku and I don't have anything against him as a person), but the new user multi-paragraph "the devs are thinking about doing X" song and dance is all too familiar to me. Fake leakers can never leave well enough alone -- once they get a few people to believe in them they turn into a faucet, posting at an alarming rate and on various sites, and becoming overly defensive when questioned. There was a moment in time several months ago where I thought Riku might have been legitimate, but everything he's said since then (combined with what I was later told) has completely disproven him to me.
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And Riku's rebuttal:

Nope @RyanCE. Never once happened.
And here's some proof since people don't think the mods ACTUALLY have an active grudge against me.
https://i.imgur.com/Ekzsl8i.png

https://i.imgur.com/Jqenp2o.png

https://i.imgur.com/GRDxYH0.png

https://i.imgur.com/9FomF74.png

and watch me get another warning or something for even posting this like the last time I did and called the mods out for doing it and people perpetuating the lie that I ever have.
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EDIT: 4) Bill Rosemann's comments on X-Men from the first GI Interview too:
When I asked them about the rumor that the game's roster would not include as many (or any) characters from the X-Men or Fantastic Four series due film rights issues (the current film series for those franchises are owned by Fox and not Marvel Studios) and would instead favor characters already in the Marvel cinematic universe, Creative Director of Marvel Entertainment Bill Rosemann didn't tense up the way PR folks tend to when you ask them a difficult question. While Marvel wants to take a forward-thinking stance with the characters they include in the game, he wants to make sure fans of all of Marvel properties, including X-Men, are happy. "That heritage is not lost," he told me. Not the straight answer I was looking for, but it left me hopeful about my chances of Berserker Barraging people as Wolverine next year.
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Pieman0920 said:
Outside of the lack of X-Men, I don't think casuals would have much of an issue with the roster. They're casuals. They like the most mainstream stuff like Hulk, Iron Man, and Spider-Man, and if they like Capcom, they may just be fine with Ryu, Chris, and Dante. They probably wouldn't care that there isn't much non-MCU representation, or that Okami, Viewtiful Joe, and Final Fight don't have reps.
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The game will definitely have sells just based on the Marvel name alone.

However, those people screaming at Capcom/Marvel about no Black Panther, Wolverine, Venom, Star-Lord, Loki, are casuals. Those people constantly saying, "I'll wait for Super Infinite before buying" are also casuals.

With the way word of mouth travels nowadays, it wouldn't be crazy to believe it would convince a lot of people to stay away from Infinite just like they did SFV. I don't see it being as bad simply because Marvel is apart of it.

Either way, Capcom is playing with fire if that's the final roster.

Neo, did the podcast get uploaded yet?

enzo_gt said:
1) Sneakers got banned? Why?
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Wut?
 
I'm honestly not sure.

Most of his posts seemed to be in the SF thread talking about leaks, while he was more subtle about things regarding Infinite. Hmmm....
 
Anth0ny said:
I suggested a 2 characters for $15 before, and I still think that would work.

1 Marvel and 1 Capcom character per DLC "pack". Throw in a stage and some alternate costumes as well.

It would also be wise to include one "popular" character with one less popular character. The less popular characters wouldn't sell as DLC, so you use the popular character to increase the attractiveness of the package. I don't know how well Nebula sells at $7.49, but Nebula and Wesker for $14.99? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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$7.50 is pretty expensive for one character. Injustice 2 sells them for $6 iirc. I still think that's a little steep but I think Capcom at the very least shouldn't go higher than that.
 
Doctrine Dark said:
Uh, how is releasing a game that has huge potential to fail in terms of sells beneficial to their financial status at all?

Because people won't just go out and buy the game simply because it's made by Capcom. Just look at SFV. Marvel's name alone will net them sales, but 2 million? I doubt it.

Capcom isn't broke, or nearly broke. They're just cutting corners and being half-assed.
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I still think SFV has managed to be reasonably successful despite missing sales figures. Honestly though, they dropped the ball on a lot of things and if the game was managed a little better it would have gone a long away.

paolo11 said:
It's like Capcom is purposely trolling us.

Either way, I could smell that their agenda is to make this game DLC heavy.
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I am honestly speaking just for myself here, but I honestly don't mind if the game is DLC heavy. If the game had a string starting roster out if the box and the dlc was priced reasonably I wouldn't really have a problem.

Neonep said:
The roster needs to be at nothing less than 46 characters at this time next year, given all of the asset reuse.
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Neonep said:
Shit I was expecting Daredevil & Black Panther and they are nowhere to be found.
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I was really hoping for Daredevil but no dice.

It is kind if sad the roster is so small when they seem to be reusing assets on top of it. I am hoping they are aggressive with the dlc.
 
Dremark said:
$7.50 is pretty expensive for one character. Injustice 2 sells them for $6 iirc. I still think that's a little steep but I think Capcom at the very least shouldn't go higher than that.
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IIRC Capcom has never had more than $6/character (Only SFV?) and most of the time has had the cheapest DLC characters. I think SFxTK had the most characters per buck value of anything thus far.

EDIT: FWIW I asked the Twitter leaker for clarification on the inconsistencies between their leak and Riku'a and they said that its just Wolvie, Doom, and Deadpool in the base. Cyke is unknown if base or DLC. Also Nina is in, allegedly.
 
enzo_gt said:
EDIT: FWIW I asked the Twitter leaker for clarification on the inconsistencies between their leak and Riku'a and they said that its just Wolvie, Doom, and Deadpool in the base. Cyke is unknown if base or DLC. Also Nina is in, allegedly.
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Okay, since you've gotten his attention, could you ask him this? Is he doing this solely for the attention, or does he just want to watch the world burn?
 
Can we stop entertaining unconfirmed leakers? The only credible leaker we know of is Ryce (who was verified on GAF and obviously by other things). And maybe Saikyo?
 
Neoxon said:
Vesper's MvCI podcast is up.
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Hm, they bring up an interesting point in this. There are no small characters in the leak. No Viewtiful Joe, no Roll, no Ameteratsu, and Rocket is likely riding on Groot. Arthur is the smallest character and he's not that small compared to the rest of the cast.

Could it be that they're trying to avoid characters that (auto) combos don't work on, or who can avoid projectiles by just standing there? I remember seeing Thor's beam special just fly over the heads of several characters in MvC3. Situations like that is probably something to avoid if possible for this game.

...but I still want TvC Roll as DLC, though.
 
McNum said:
Hm, they bring up an interesting point in this. There are no small characters in the leak. No Viewtiful Joe, no Roll, no Ameteratsu, and Rocket is likely riding on Groot. Arthur is the smallest character and he's not that small compared to the rest of the cast.

Could it be that they're trying to avoid characters that (auto) combos don't work on, or who can avoid projectiles by just standing there? I remember seeing Thor's beam special just fly over the heads of several characters in MvC3. Situations like that is probably something to avoid if possible for this game.

...but I still want TvC Roll as DLC, though.
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Yes. I pointed this out previously when Rocket/Groot was revealed - the size of the known characters relative to the screen size/screen stretch in MvC:I is very large relative to MvC2/3. They're much closer to SF/SFxT/MSH size characters- they take up more of the screen. As a consequence, smaller characters (especially very mobile ones) are going to be much more of an issue to balance here, and I don't think it's an accident that the smallest one on the roster is also incredibly immobile.
 
McNum said:
Hm, they bring up an interesting point in this. There are no small characters in the leak. No Viewtiful Joe, no Roll, no Ameteratsu, and Rocket is likely riding on Groot. Arthur is the smallest character and he's not that small compared to the rest of the cast.

Could it be that they're trying to avoid characters that (auto) combos don't work on, or who can avoid projectiles by just standing there? I remember seeing Thor's beam special just fly over the heads of several characters in MvC3. Situations like that is probably something to avoid if possible for this game.

...but I still want TvC Roll as DLC, though.
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Just checked on UMVC3. VC and Arthur are basically the same size. Only Rocket and Amaterasu are smaller. Arthur is indeed the smallest character, but the possibility that they didn't want to deal with missed auto combos on smaller characters is definitely a possibility. Though it at least means for VC fans that he might not be apparently out. Really only Amaterasu would be an issue height wise.
 
You guys don't think Antman is going to hella shrink in size?

This is just another type of conspiracy theory in trying to make sense of this roster.
 
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Look like I was wrong about Gamora, Venom and Nova, and I actually forget to add Thanos despite that I had his icon ready to be added. And I'm pretty much spot on with Capcom but with Monster Hunter, we don't know what kind of character we would get.
 
I really doubt the MH character is anything other than just a hunter.

On that subject, that's a play style/move list thats really interesting to think about. There are a ton of different weapon styles and move sets they could pull from, not to mention different monsters maybe showing up themselves. Rathalos fireballs, Diablos charges, Deviljho fucking shit up. Lots of possibilities for moves and supers.
 
IntelliHeath said:
Look like I was wrong about Gamora, Venom and Nova, and I actually forget to add Thanos despite that I had his icon ready to be added. And I'm pretty much spot on with Capcom but with Monster Hunter, we don't know what kind of character we would get.
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Who is that above Cloak and Dagger?


Also at the Nina hate/jokers:
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IntelliHeath said:
Look like I was wrong about Gamora, Venom and Nova, and I actually forget to add Thanos despite that I had his icon ready to be added. And I'm pretty much spot on with Capcom but with Monster Hunter, we don't know what kind of character we would get.
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LOL how is this spot on? You listed like 70 characters and then got some of the 28 characters right. I see stuff like Wesker, Vergil, Phoenix Wright, Ammy, Akuma and Zero on there just like most other lists.
 
Dimitri LH said:
Who is that above Cloak and Dagger?
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Songbird. She's a former villain turned hero, and probably the most popular member of the Thunderbolts team. Her powers are sort of like Green Lantern in that she can make constructs of anything she imagines, though its all powered by her voice.
 
Pieman0920 said:
Songbird. She's a former villain turned hero, and probably the most popular member of the Thunderbolts team. Her powers are sort of like Green Lantern in that she can make constructs of anything she imagines, though its all powered by her voice.
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Pretty much. Also I have been rooting for her ever since Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 (I'm not sure about MVC3 tho) so she is being there because she is one of my few favorite choices, not because of RikuRikuMore's leak.
 
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