Blood Diamonds
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Fuck that story demo tbh I just want a demo like the KOF XIV one is that too much to ask for?
Marvel Vs. Capcom: Infinite Characters and Stages Roster Discussion Thread
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arent you also biased because in your own words "youve been burned twice"? or does it only go one way?
Hence "people should judge the game for themselves."
isnt that all games? and movies? and tv shows? and food? and everything?
People are doing that and being told their opinions don't mater because it doesn't fit the narrative that others want to create.
And they're doing that to people who don't like the game in return. I'm saying everyone can like what they please, and that everyone should understand why people like/don't like it. I don't like the game so far but I think everyone's entitled to give it a shake and fall in love with it. Don't take Justin, or any hater's word, as gospel; try to understand why they formed that opinion and form your own.
Can you post some examples of people who like the game discrediting an opinion in this thread? I haven't seen it. Seems like people are pretty much going, "Yeah, Capcom sucks, but I think the game is fun."
There is a demo and hours of footage out. People are able to form their own opinions.
You're not really saying anything here.
Doctrine Dark
Member
Most people have agreed that the game doesn't look all that great visually.
However, the main focus (gameplay) of what people are focused on seems to get tossed by the wayside just because it's the cool thing to do. Not here, but in other places.
The graphics aren't anything special, but I don't care. I just wanna play. Would I belittle someone who's turned off by said graphics, though? Nope. It's a legit criticism that I'm hoping Capcom addresses (Noizy said the E3 build is 3 months older and the story demo is even older than that) before release. Roster isn't finished being announced, so that's something we'll have to wait and see.
Overall, I understand why people are frustrated. I also can understand why those who've had the chance to play the E3/CEO build are excited, too. Based on the various discussions I've had with both sides, those who are quick to label others "Capcucks" or "shills" are the ones that aren't worth talking to. They live to hop on hate-trains. Capcom simply gave them the fuel to run on, unfortunately. If you have anything remotely positive to say, your opinion doesn't matter. Dumb, but expected from those types.
However, the main focus (gameplay) of what people are focused on seems to get tossed by the wayside just because it's the cool thing to do. Not here, but in other places.
The graphics aren't anything special, but I don't care. I just wanna play. Would I belittle someone who's turned off by said graphics, though? Nope. It's a legit criticism that I'm hoping Capcom addresses (Noizy said the E3 build is 3 months older and the story demo is even older than that) before release. Roster isn't finished being announced, so that's something we'll have to wait and see.
Overall, I understand why people are frustrated. I also can understand why those who've had the chance to play the E3/CEO build are excited, too. Based on the various discussions I've had with both sides, those who are quick to label others "Capcucks" or "shills" are the ones that aren't worth talking to. They live to hop on hate-trains. Capcom simply gave them the fuel to run on, unfortunately. If you have anything remotely positive to say, your opinion doesn't matter. Dumb, but expected from those types.
Karsticles
Member
Capcom can't control the internet hive mind. The same mindless power that causes Marvel fans to get excited every time Yipes sayd "curleh mustache" brings about this kind of nonsense. Let's say there are people shilling for cash - who gives a fuck? I'd like to know why it even matters. Capcom could pay off the entire pro FGC to love the game, and it still won't affect whether I like or play it.
TheSpoiler
Member
I just noticed there's an actual tagged post about why you shouldn't buy MVC on Kappa.
Which is weird, because I don't think anyone there plays or buys fighting games anyway.
Which is weird, because I don't think anyone there plays or buys fighting games anyway.
lucebuce12
Member
lol, that's not true. Those guys play the heck out of SFV.
bangbang i'm a timpani
Banned
is it safe to assume at this point that we're gonna get some second wave of DLC, or an ultimate MVCI, which has x-men in it?
Mix Master
Member
I'm hearing how DBFZ is killing this game hype wise, but this thread is always on the first page and the dragonball one is no where to be seen.
Hmmmmmm
Hmmmmmm
sixteen-bit
Member
yeah, probably
unrepresentative sampling on neogaf
street fighter v has like 8 OTs but games like MKX ate its lunch saleswise.
The problem with Capcom fighters is that nobody can keep them out of their mouths. Haters talk about Capcom games so much they forget to talk about and support the games they actually like.
lucebuce12
Member
You're judging a game's hype level based on how frequently people are posting in the roster speculation thread when said game is also at least 8-9 months away with still very little concrete details announced?
Ummmm what front page are you looking at? The DBFZ discussion thread is one of the most consistent front-page threads that I've seen since its reveal @ E3.
ColonialHawk
Member
I believe they've mentioned this in an interview. These first 6 are not gonna be Xmen, but the next 6 (or however many) could be Xmen.
Newniverse
Member
This.
The demo stage is a perfect example of how they're purposefully making the game look worse than it should. All the post-processing effects make the game noticeably blurrier then the resolution at which it's actually running, and the chromatic aberration effect makes the colors look worse and people have noted how the the double image/lack of focus results in eye strain and or queasiness.
I could live with the Ok-ish visuals, if they just removed all that stuff that makes it unpleasant to view physically and not just aesthetically.
The Vakanda stage looks nice artistically. but we've only seen off-screen already out of focus videos, and they seem to be doing the same thing on it, which is a shame.
Turbanator
Member
Rip KOFXIV. You were the first was that was supposed to "kill" SFV.
So, I played the demo for the first time today. My impressions:
Cons:
- The demo is not good. It's not the best part of the game to show off, since you only have short fights against generic goons in rapid succession with little room to breathe between fights. Maybe that's what people want out of a demo, but I was underwhelmed. The goon fights are way too easy, and I'm far from a pro. Again, demo stuff, but fights are over too quick for me to get a proper taste of each character, even if I don't switch.
- It lacks polish visually. But it's an early build, so we'll see.
- The cutscenes are stiff and undynamic with a couple exceptions. It's a Marvel vs. Capcom game. I expect something crazy like MvC3's pre-rendered trailers or the Naruto Storm cutscenes. They should have hired Yuji Shimomura or collaborated with CC2, or gotten whoever did the trailers for MvC3.
- I have mixed feelings about what they've done to Rocket. The addition of Groot is fine, but the alterations to his traps feel like a step back. The functionality of both overlap too much IMO. And while I warmed up to his voice a bit, I still prefer Greg Ellis.
- I don't like the changes to Dante's gameplay. Ironically Dante feels overly complicated in terms of execution compared to his MvC3 counterpart.
- Overall, the new characters aren't very interesting gameplay-wise. They feel way too similar with short-mid range punchy attacks and energy beams/hadokens. That includes Ultron and what we've seen of Thanos. They feel like the most generic movesets for each character possible. It's something I expect from a NRS game, but even they are stepping up their game somewhat with some of the characters in MKX and IJ2. The design lacks the creativity of Marvel 3. Say what you want about Marvel 3's gameplay, but the characters there are some of the best FG design work in terms of movesets per game I think Capcom has ever done.
Pros:
- Iron Man is cool. Eric Loomis is still great as Iron Man, even if his performance is derivative of RDJ's Iron Man.
- I'm not all down on the cutscenes. There are some cool moments. Thor and Arthur teaming up, Chun-Li and Captain Marvel teaming up, Iron Man showing up, Dante being Dante is all great.
- Captain Marvel looks great. They nailed her design and model, even if her face is a bit too doll-like.
- Chun-Li actually looks great in the pre-rendered cutscenes. His EX spinning bird kick in cutscenes looks awesome, and in-game I think she animates well and the VFX on her moves look nice.
- Lack of visual polish, UI, in-game cutscenes, and certain character models aside, I think the game actually looks decent. The art style is far less cool than MvC3's, but for what it is I think it looks okay. The backgrounds and VFX in particular look good.
- I stand by that my initial impression that Infinity Gems is a cool and interesting set of mechanics. It results in fewer options than assists, sure, and that's unfortunate, but as a replacement for X-Factor it's way more interesting. With 2v2, tagging and gems, the gameplay flow is very different from previous MvC games, and by itself I don't think that's a bad thing. I think a lot of players, especially MvC3 veterans, will learn to really hate the Reality and Space Infinity Storms, though.
Overall, not a good demo, like I said previously. There is a lot that feels lacking both in polish and just in general. The visual design is bland, even if the graphics are okay. The roster, I don't think there's more I can add to that. The production values are highly lacking compared to the competition. This will result in fewer sales. Maybe Capcom did the math and found the proper trade-off, but I don't think the game will perform like they hope. And I think the character gameplay planning is highly lacking compared to MvC3. The competition like GGXrd, KOF14 and NRS games feel more inspired. But, there is good about the game, and I think the hate is a bit too much at times. I think people can and will learn to like the game, like many disappointed with 3 did with that. But it's not the game many dreamt about. It's been disappointing in many respects like roster, visual design and production values, and overall I doubt that will change much even when it releases. Roster will improve, though, certainly. Hopefully we get the popular favorites back before long, along with some out-there characters and surprise picks that many, myself included, also want.
Cons:
- The demo is not good. It's not the best part of the game to show off, since you only have short fights against generic goons in rapid succession with little room to breathe between fights. Maybe that's what people want out of a demo, but I was underwhelmed. The goon fights are way too easy, and I'm far from a pro. Again, demo stuff, but fights are over too quick for me to get a proper taste of each character, even if I don't switch.
- It lacks polish visually. But it's an early build, so we'll see.
- The cutscenes are stiff and undynamic with a couple exceptions. It's a Marvel vs. Capcom game. I expect something crazy like MvC3's pre-rendered trailers or the Naruto Storm cutscenes. They should have hired Yuji Shimomura or collaborated with CC2, or gotten whoever did the trailers for MvC3.
- I have mixed feelings about what they've done to Rocket. The addition of Groot is fine, but the alterations to his traps feel like a step back. The functionality of both overlap too much IMO. And while I warmed up to his voice a bit, I still prefer Greg Ellis.
- I don't like the changes to Dante's gameplay. Ironically Dante feels overly complicated in terms of execution compared to his MvC3 counterpart.
- Overall, the new characters aren't very interesting gameplay-wise. They feel way too similar with short-mid range punchy attacks and energy beams/hadokens. That includes Ultron and what we've seen of Thanos. They feel like the most generic movesets for each character possible. It's something I expect from a NRS game, but even they are stepping up their game somewhat with some of the characters in MKX and IJ2. The design lacks the creativity of Marvel 3. Say what you want about Marvel 3's gameplay, but the characters there are some of the best FG design work in terms of movesets per game I think Capcom has ever done.
Pros:
- Iron Man is cool. Eric Loomis is still great as Iron Man, even if his performance is derivative of RDJ's Iron Man.
- I'm not all down on the cutscenes. There are some cool moments. Thor and Arthur teaming up, Chun-Li and Captain Marvel teaming up, Iron Man showing up, Dante being Dante is all great.
- Captain Marvel looks great. They nailed her design and model, even if her face is a bit too doll-like.
- Chun-Li actually looks great in the pre-rendered cutscenes. His EX spinning bird kick in cutscenes looks awesome, and in-game I think she animates well and the VFX on her moves look nice.
- Lack of visual polish, UI, in-game cutscenes, and certain character models aside, I think the game actually looks decent. The art style is far less cool than MvC3's, but for what it is I think it looks okay. The backgrounds and VFX in particular look good.
- I stand by that my initial impression that Infinity Gems is a cool and interesting set of mechanics. It results in fewer options than assists, sure, and that's unfortunate, but as a replacement for X-Factor it's way more interesting. With 2v2, tagging and gems, the gameplay flow is very different from previous MvC games, and by itself I don't think that's a bad thing. I think a lot of players, especially MvC3 veterans, will learn to really hate the Reality and Space Infinity Storms, though.
Overall, not a good demo, like I said previously. There is a lot that feels lacking both in polish and just in general. The visual design is bland, even if the graphics are okay. The roster, I don't think there's more I can add to that. The production values are highly lacking compared to the competition. This will result in fewer sales. Maybe Capcom did the math and found the proper trade-off, but I don't think the game will perform like they hope. And I think the character gameplay planning is highly lacking compared to MvC3. The competition like GGXrd, KOF14 and NRS games feel more inspired. But, there is good about the game, and I think the hate is a bit too much at times. I think people can and will learn to like the game, like many disappointed with 3 did with that. But it's not the game many dreamt about. It's been disappointing in many respects like roster, visual design and production values, and overall I doubt that will change much even when it releases. Roster will improve, though, certainly. Hopefully we get the popular favorites back before long, along with some out-there characters and surprise picks that many, myself included, also want.
Yeah I don't know why anyone is giving this shilling nonsense the time of day to be honest. Nobody should have to try and justify why they like something, especially to people on a toxic platform such as social media.
do you think that Capcom will adjust the hitstun on the time storm gem? Ive seen several videos of Justin Wong getting one hit and spamming jab until the opponent is dead.
Also i know chip damage has changed in this game but can you die from chip damage in the reality storm?(the one where your normals produce different elemental effects)
thx
Also i know chip damage has changed in this game but can you die from chip damage in the reality storm?(the one where your normals produce different elemental effects)
thx
I don't know about the reality stone but I doubt much changes with the time stone.
They're matching the MCU stones.
Marvel
could never
Bit sad that.
The game looks fun to play, personally I hope the caracters and UI get a touch up but I'll be buying day 1 regardless. People need to chill.
I admit, I was wrong for calling them a shill.
Sure, they might not get paid by money, but by other means. They have to be on Capcom good side if they want to capitalize of this game. If guys like Yipes and them bad mouth the game, Capcom probably won't invite them to commentate, won't fly them out launch party, won't probably get an invite to their own invitation tournament or whatever event they are planning to do. These players are obviously going to need to give positive vibes to make a living of the game.
The argument that inviting influencers to come see/play your game early being indicative of shilling is stupid as fuck because that's exactly what a goddamn preview is, regardless of who those people are. Whether a journalist or FGC member, it doesn't matter, it's people who other people give deference to, who then share their opinions with others from their privileged access. Either you have that privileged access, or there are no previews, or hell even early reviews. That's inherent to it.
It's mind numbingly dumb of an argument and not worth fueling the trolls and idiots perpetuating it.
It's mind numbingly dumb of an argument and not worth fueling the trolls and idiots perpetuating it.
Does anybody actually use r/Kappa for anything other than soft core porn? Like despite being "a fighting game sub" they hate fighting games there especially anything Capcom has ever put out
TheSpoiler
Member
Kappa at least pretends to like the flavor of the month(s) but then goes back to shiposting and switching accounts for upvotes. Love it for the blowups tho.
Sajam and Tasty Steve bag on SFV all the time. Gootecks did during The Capcom E3 stream. Yipes makes fun SFV's Rog and its stupid shit every week on NLBC. FChamp, the person sitting in the room, has called out SFV so many times it's not even funny. Like, watch a BornFree interview. Kinderparty and co. shitblast SFV all the time.
All of those people got invited to things. All of those people still get invited to things. They got to show up in the "hidden" Capcom room, Yipes got to commentate, and I'm sure FChamp will be at events. Capcom doesn't give two fucks. So long as you aren't going full kappa, they don't care.
Sure, you might say "well MVC is a different game!" That doesn't matter. It's the same company, different product. That's like blasting Budlight Lite while saying you like Budlight. You are still hurting their image, and most advertising sectors don't want to deal with someone who isn't on board with all of the products, at least on a neutral sense.
It's not like the shit they are saying isn't backed up by other accounts, videos, etc.
So nope, you are still wrong fam.
Sajam and Tasty Steve bag on SFV all the time. Gootecks did during The Capcom E3 stream. Yipes makes fun SFV's Rog and its stupid shit every week on NLBC. FChamp, the person sitting in the room, has called out SFV so many times it's not even funny. Like, watch a BornFree interview. Kinderparty and co. shitblast SFV all the time.
All of those people got invited to things. All of those people still get invited to things. They got to show up in the "hidden" Capcom room, Yipes got to commentate, and I'm sure FChamp will be at events. Capcom doesn't give two fucks. So long as you aren't going full kappa, they don't care.
Sure, you might say "well MVC is a different game!" That doesn't matter. It's the same company, different product. That's like blasting Budlight Lite while saying you like Budlight. You are still hurting their image, and most advertising sectors don't want to deal with someone who isn't on board with all of the products, at least on a neutral sense.
It's not like the shit they are saying isn't backed up by other accounts, videos, etc.
So nope, you are still wrong fam.
And Keits who's been saying the same shit as they did in this thread, but is a dev on KI? What's his reason bud? Go back to Kappa.
Doctrine Dark
Member
It's stupid. Capcom is still Capcom. Champ never hesitates to say SFV sucks (looked right into the camera at CEO and said "SFV fucking sucks"), which, last time I checked, is still a Capcom game. So having positive feedback on MVCI means nothing. If he hasn't burned his bridge with Capcom from his over the top criticism of SFV, then he doesn't need to worry about choosing his words carefully with MVCI. The same guy said the people responsible for the MVCI aesthetics should be removed altogether.
People are looking for things that aren't there.
People are looking for things that aren't there.
I actually don't think anyone on r/Kappa has a life let alone discuss anything of value lol.
Waddle Dee
Member
Why is it so hard for some people to understand that most people who've actually gotte na chance to play MVCI like it? Like, is it really that big of a stretch to some people. The demo may blow but the game looks fun to play when in VS mode.
Simple. They can't understand it because they don't want to. It's far easier for them regurgitating shit on the internet echo chamber.
racketpunch
Member
Man, I was all into this thread before all of the shilling talk started and it's STILL going on. You guys suck.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Then it's in your hand to change the topic now? Time to Rocket Punch the shill topic away.
Grayskull Guardsman
Neo Member
I am thinking Lady and either Gene or Asura.
(I would prefer Gene, but I could see Asura getting in first.)
DR2K
Banned
Well when the excitement for the game is from pro players minute hands on impressions and nothing else, people become wary of those opinions. A lot of people here would prefer an echo chamber of opinions about how great this game plays and holding onto impressions from specific players who have a vested interest in this games success like it's the gospel.
Weird that the discussion is still going on, surely everyone should be on twitter reading these impressions and not forming their own opinions based on everything they've seen and played.
ColonialHawk
Member
I dont think so.
Going off the leaked images from imgur, any of the new capcom characters listed (like Jedah or Monster Hunter) could be DLC. If the "brand-new to the game" statement holds up (which it has so far), any of those characters could be DLC.
Nobody is even talking about the "excitement for the game." You're talking about people who are excited for the game saying their opinions aren't genuine.
It's pointless to try and have any kind of discussion about the game on this board because dumb ass comments like that derail the thread.
TheSpoiler
Member
It's almost as if we didn't get a demo, impressions from people at E3 and CEO that aren't pros, and gameplay videos to talk about stuff.
Oh wait, we did.
Your shitposting is getting old fam. At least go back to entertaining analogies that reveal a little too much like this:
your shitposting is getting old mate.
"opinions based on videos and player impressions isnt valid... except if its to say the game is shit, then its valid"
Right. Well I should be very wary of pro players opinions on DBF then.
Pretty much everyone is positive on DBF though.
ãInaba Residentã
Banned
Shills.