ElBoxyBrown
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NRS somehow makes stories that pull in people who are only attracted to AAA mainstream games.
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Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite sells 1/10th of MvC3's debut in Japan, 1/6th Pokken DX
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NRS somehow makes stories that pull in people who are only attracted to AAA mainstream games.
SFV was at 1.4m after one year. Not sure how 500k (even though I'm obviously going with low ends instead of high ends) by December would be a bad thing.
Stone Ocean
Member
The game having an active community does not instantly make it a financial success.
The game flopped so bad, that if its purblind fanboys had any humility or self-awareness at all, they'd go and form a cover band to better facilitate counting all the crow that they should be eating. They could make Cacpcom levels of bank with a personalized rendition of what will ultimately be their legacy, with "A Murder of I" clinging to the top of the sharts Bomba charts.
But clearly it is the fault of everyone who did not buy the half-assed game, that the game failed, not the half-assed game's constituency for having expanded their maximum threshold for bad.
But clearly it is the fault of everyone who did not buy the half-assed game, that the game failed, not the half-assed game's constituency for having expanded their maximum threshold for bad.
James Scott
Banned
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
SFV is a flop because Capcom wanted it to sell 2 million at launch and it still hasn't sold that much.
Thats the very definition of a flop.
Jaded Alyx
Member
Hello, this is a sales thread. When we say a game bombed or is a flop, we are saying it sold poorly. Nothing else is of importance.
Sfv was expected to sell 2m units in its first month by its Publisher. After 2 years, it still won't reach that figure.
That is a flop, come on. I love the game. Put in over 700 hours. I freely admit this game flopped hard.
Obliterator
Member
Which makes little sense as the US and UK are extremely similar markets at least in regards to Xbox / Playstation game trends (NA likes Nintendo though for example much more than the UK)
But still for a game to bomb on Xbox / Playstation to the degree it has in the UK and do well in the US is a very rare occurrence
This is where people like him typically resort to
1. Twitch numbers
2. People playing it online
3. Tournament entries
even though they have been proven with SFV to not actually affect sales, considering it has yet to hit it's original sales goal.
Edit: Oh hey I was right! Plus we also got this weird line:
Where's the online community for these games, then? Why it's so damn hard to find a single match on any of the Arc Systems games? Why it was so hard to find matches for Injustice in 2015, let alone 2016? Capcom fighting games have more active fanbases. That's just how it has always been.
Jaded Alyx
Member
it did that in like its first month.
Do any one have the numbers of how much money does Capcom get from SF's competitive scene? How much are their ESPN transmission worth? Because I know that, from reading the story of the sport league, MLS had to pay ESPN to get their get transmitted when they were getting started.
Stone Ocean
Member
You're talking about sales and "brand power" but you keep bringing up games being still played or not.
No one cares about how active the fanbase is when it comes to sales. I can get SF3 matches in GGPO to this day, doesn't mean that game didn't almost kill the franchise.
Killa Sasa
Member
MvCI is a lot of fun. I love Marvel and the VS series is my favourite series in gaming.
<---I'm down enough with it to have made that team work.
This shit is bombing hella hard and 500k, which is fairly optimistic for the end of year, would be bad. They want to move 2mil by March, and video game sales are front-loaded.
From a gameplay perspective, it's not a flop. From a "hey let's play online" perspective, it's not really one either. From a sales perspective - which is what this thread is about - it is mayor of Flop City.
<---I'm down enough with it to have made that team work.
This shit is bombing hella hard and 500k, which is fairly optimistic for the end of year, would be bad. They want to move 2mil by March, and video game sales are front-loaded.
From a gameplay perspective, it's not a flop. From a "hey let's play online" perspective, it's not really one either. From a sales perspective - which is what this thread is about - it is mayor of Flop City.
Netherrealm and WB don't care how many twitch views, tournaments, or ESPN coverage their game gets if at the end of the day they've sold 10x more than the competition.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
SNK has to work more compare to your average Capcom fighter. You can also be as beautiful as Skullgirls but not gain a wider audience.
I would like to randomly point out as I usually do in these threads that there does not exist over 2 million people interested in Street Fighter, and the only reason SFIV as a series sold 5+ million copies is because the same less-than-2-million players kept buying the new releases of the game. SF4 debuted well due to the revival hype appealing to more casual players, but after that died down its scene was likely similar in size to the current SFV scene.
Marvel's scene is even smaller and it failed to inspire casuals to buy it due to poor/nonexistent marketing, so we're pretty much just looking at the sales reflecting the active competitive scene of the game (which I think still has some growing to do from holdouts who don't wanna pay dat 60, and those who were on the fence about its competitive viability).
Marvel's scene is even smaller and it failed to inspire casuals to buy it due to poor/nonexistent marketing, so we're pretty much just looking at the sales reflecting the active competitive scene of the game (which I think still has some growing to do from holdouts who don't wanna pay dat 60, and those who were on the fence about its competitive viability).
Jaded Alyx
Member
The userbase playing online doesn't really tell us anything since sfv is crossplay, and marvel isn't. Good luck finding matches on Xbox/pc in future as things start to thin out due to matchmaking.
IIRC MKvDC sold SF5 levels and its production values certainly weren't there. It wasn't until MK9 when they tweaked the formula and started having big mainstream interest again.
Stone Ocean
Member
Steam version is already approaching Lawbreaker numbers
But the Capcom and Marvel brands tho
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
MKvDC sold a lot more than Marvel 3.
That guy seemed to be fired by Capcom btw. His Twitter account makes no mention of working at Capcom anymore. Before he had wording that was senior director of esports at Capcom and looking to hire more people.
Check out John D (@diamonon): https://twitter.com/diamonon?s=09
That one line doesn't make the whole article non-terrible
Unrelated comparison followed by unrelated comparison followed by proof that the game is doing poorly followed by "I'm not saying that the 8k number might be false; I'm saying that the 8k number might be false" followed by "you guys just hate Capcom" followed by unrelated comparison
but hey that one point was pretty good
Steve Youngblood
Member
I think the issue is that you're conflating two different things here. This is a thread about sales. Just sales. Not "how many casual fans continue to play after finishing story mode once?" Not "what's the esports scene like among pros?" Just pure, simple sales. You're bringing up factors that theoretically could impact sales in the long term. Someone could go buy Street Fighter V right now assured that there's still an active community around the game. That may help some titles have a long tail.
But there really aren't any tangible signs that this is paying dividends with Street Fighter V. Almost all quarterly sales updates indicate that sales have fallen off a cliff after an already disappointing launch.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Nah, MK vs DC sold 2M+ copies. Not much compared to MK9 or Injustice but still a respectable number.
Edit:
1.8M in its first three months
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Does Combofiend still have a job after this?
Jesus Christ.
Shouldn't look into this too much even if it is odd. Could be that he decided to leave as well. Who knows.
lucebuce12
Member
That doesn't necessarily have to mean he was fired or that he's not currently still in that position. He could have gotten transferred or is on sabbatical or it just doesn't mean anything.
Let's wait for some more concrete info before coming to that conclusion.
Because Combofiend was in charge of the art style, modeling, marketing, advertising and sound. Combofiend couldn't have fought for a better roster because you're fighting "Don't wanna spend money" Capcpom on one hand and "Fuck X-Men and Inhumans and anything we don't like" Marvel on the other.
In terms of gameplay, naturally most people are saying that they've nailed it.
Oh, God. That bad, huh?
I agree with this. Also, I do think that crossplay could be added to MvCI in the future. People kept talking about how Spider-Man wouldn't show up since it wasn't an exclusive for PS4 game, and he is there. The future of MvCI is basically what is happening with SFV. We will keep getting DLC characters and people buying them. Is it a model that I love? Do I love to waste money in a game again and again? No. But it's clear that it's working for Capcom.
https://twitter.com/TheyCallMeDSP/status/913193967843295232
Rank 9 too (Which doesn't seem that amazing all things considered)
Wow, didn't realise things were that bad
DryEyeRelief
Member
Fair point. And yet, they keep making more Seasons for that game. And I've bought all of them. For both PS4 and Steam.
Not surprised he thinks the game sucks.
That doesn't mean anything though? DOA5 has like 700+ costumes and keeps adding characters. It's coz they have a small active fanbase who is liberal with opening it's wallet for DLC, like you have admitted yourself
At least it's not 'resurrector of MvC' anymore. That shit triggered the hell out of me.
Eh, that doesn't mean anything. He was still retweeting MvCI related tweets a couple days ago. He hasn't deleted old Capcom-related tweets or retweets. If anything his title is changing again soon and he felt like replacing his Twitter profile description with 'Esports!' for the hell of it.
He's actually good at fighting games.
InfiniteCombo
Banned
Did we read the same article?
His starting comparison of Marvel to "Olive Garden in Italy" is weak, but not unrelated, so I'm not quite sure what you are talking about.
Proof that the game is doing poorly in the UK and Japan, which adds to the argument he's trying to make (those markets are not the ultimate determinants of Marvel's success, given that they have historically done weak compared to the US).
Unlike you, I'm not gonna end my post with any silly snark attempt.
Hari Seldon
Member
Yeah there were ads on Steam for this game and after launch I didn't notice it in the top sellers at all lol.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Or maybe he's just that good.
/s
He... was talking about Dragon Ball.
The allure of DBZ Fighters isn't that it's a new Arc Sys game, but because it's a goddamn DBZ game.
And you bring up Injustice for some reason despite how NRS fans tend to jump from one NRS game to the next (i.e., MK9 to IJ to MKX to IJ2).
Your responses throughout this discussion are just all over and the map.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
LOL let's not try to justify things with clearly false statements
lucebuce12
Member
OK, now THAT's a bigger deal.
Define 'good'. He's good compared to your average 9-to-5 working with 2 kids at home, 'can't do a bnb' gaffer. He would get mopped by FGC-GAF like Q, FSlink, Luce, Karst, etc. Heck I have 3x DSP's SFV ranked points and I'm a pot monster.
Maximillian can body him 1 handed. LowTierGod can body him 5-0. DSP is a joke
OK That's something. I really disliked him but I'd be lying if I said I don't feel bad for him if this is true.
After all this, he was the one who got left behind.
Jaded Alyx
Member
Almost as many people playing Evolve on Steam right now...