Yes, one. It's in season 2.
Also, maybe check your TV settings because even in the darker ones you should be able to see the fighting.
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Marvel's Daredevil S2 |OT| No More Half Measures - March 18th on Netflix
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Yes, one. It's in season 2.
Also, maybe check your TV settings because even in the darker ones you should be able to see the fighting.
It's the attitude really. I don't know, tbh
I was 90% sur they were going to branch out from the comics and was going to die. With all this "i'm not gonna be here to pick you up everytime" and Punisher mentionning that Matt was one bad night away from becoming him and etc etc
Keep watching.
I watched the whole thing and still don't understand what it is.
Vyse The Legend
Member
Black Sky is Elektra, who, from what I gather, is the reincarnation of the Hand's "god."
it's still pretty unclear... Hey but at least not as much as THE GOD DAMN HOLE WHAT'S IN THE HOLE
I mean, I know they said that but surely that can't be all there is to it? Their ultimate weapon, the black sky, is just a person that can kill gud?
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
It's just name they use for their prophesied leader/savior. Like Messiah, Pope, King, or whatever. I didn't think it was any deeper than that.
You did not, it's super unclear; speculation includes (Series spoilers + speculation mixed with potential spoilers from comics)
it being a monicker for potential hosts for the Beast (demon the Hand worships in the comics). They make a point that the Black Sky are extremely rare and the Chaste's mission is to kill them, possibly stopping the resurrection of the Beast or something to that effect.
Super_Cobra
Member
"Inmate, fall on your knees"
I care more about the punisher than daredevil now. Holy crap episode 9 was just amazing.
I care more about the punisher than daredevil now. Holy crap episode 9 was just amazing.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
I feel exactly the same. I haven't been in this thread at all so I thought I was completely alone in feeling that way. Good to see I'm not.
I've never heard complaints about not being able to follow the action in the show. Maybe you should check your tv's settings.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Finished last night, same as DD S1 and JJ S1, the show dragged a bit near the end but still ended up feeling rushed at the end.
I think they focused too much on Frank's resolution which weakened the Black Sky arc, they should have saved that for Frank's own show IMO but who knows how far out that is
Absolutely dumb that we still haven't been shown exactly what "black sky" is, you can't blab on about something for so long without showing the audience anything. Totally took the wind out of the sails of the final episodes for me, just felt pretty directionless
Absolutely dumb that we still haven't been shown exactly what "black sky" is, you can't blab on about something for so long without showing the audience anything. Totally took the wind out of the sails of the final episodes for me, just felt pretty directionless
HanzSnubSnub
Member
Agree with this.
Also the Punisher was my favourite character this season. Jon Bernthal nailed it.
It was used at the end of season 1. The newspapers adopted the name after Matt stops Fisk from escaping. Foggy, Karen, and Matt even have a little self aware talk about it.
Episode 10
Damn that's some good shit. Finally interesting stuff with Matt, Foggy, and Karen!
Damn that's some good shit. Finally interesting stuff with Matt, Foggy, and Karen!
The DA shooting was pretty surprising. I thought she was going to hang around as an antagonist, but I guess now that they have "The Blacksmith" in the conspiracy, they don't need her anymore. The entire Frank Castle origin feels so contrived. It wasn't just the 3 gangs, it wasn't just the DA, it wasn't just an undercover sting, there's now a mysterious criminal that's linked to all this too, and now Frank is being framed. Way too many layers.
Elektra fight was good, but fight totally disconnected from everything else in the episode. The hospital scene is freaky as hell, but I expected that to happen since the moment they were brought in. Still, good use of horror direction though. The prison scene between Matt and Fisk was PERFECTION. They might only have him around for a few episodes this season, but he's making every single second worthwhile. <3
Elektra fight was good, but fight totally disconnected from everything else in the episode. The hospital scene is freaky as hell, but I expected that to happen since the moment they were brought in. Still, good use of horror direction though. The prison scene between Matt and Fisk was PERFECTION. They might only have him around for a few episodes this season, but he's making every single second worthwhile. <3
demosthenes
Member
Forgot about the minigun, I expected a grenade launcher or something. I feel like when they were editing they were copying ninjas on screen or something and hit paste like 8 times instead of only supposed to doing it twice. It didn't bother me that much.
demosthenes
Member
I kind of feel like I'm the only person who really didn't like Foggy after this season.
His holier than thou attitude is really grating considering he generally seems to only care about his career. He dialed down on criticizing Matt for risking his life being Daredevil and replaced it with "but what about my career, Matt!?" and seemed to only want Karen to stop digging into the Castle case because the case was over - not because she was digging so deep she was in danger.
I'm still watching S1 currently(up to ep. 9 out of 13), and while I am enjoying it, I am REALLY disappointed in Kingpin's portrayal.
Not sure how GAF responded to him, but its by far been the weakest link in the season for me. Just not threatening at all, severe focus on his insecurities(and his Kingpin Rage!) leaving me questioning if he is actually a crafty and saavy villain or just a thug with expensive suits. Any and all chances to prop him up as being some mysterious threat in the shadows feels wasted as he dances around maintaining his hair-thread reputation among his stereotype cronies. It's as if he so fearful that anyone will see what a total knob he is, thus he is forced to hide his identity not as method of striking fear into the populace but to avoid the curtain being pulled back on the 'wizard'.
I am not really familiar with his character(beyond some of the more popular portrayals, primarily in 90's cartoons), but as much as I WANT to love this show, sadly D'Onofrio and the script isn't making a very compelling antithesis to DD. Maybe I expected a craftier and thoughtful villain. A real puppeteer...Marvel's version of Lex Luthor. Cox is fantastic as DD though!
Seems like DD S2 has a better conflict going on at least.
Not sure how GAF responded to him, but its by far been the weakest link in the season for me. Just not threatening at all, severe focus on his insecurities(and his Kingpin Rage!) leaving me questioning if he is actually a crafty and saavy villain or just a thug with expensive suits. Any and all chances to prop him up as being some mysterious threat in the shadows feels wasted as he dances around maintaining his hair-thread reputation among his stereotype cronies. It's as if he so fearful that anyone will see what a total knob he is, thus he is forced to hide his identity not as method of striking fear into the populace but to avoid the curtain being pulled back on the 'wizard'.
I am not really familiar with his character(beyond some of the more popular portrayals, primarily in 90's cartoons), but as much as I WANT to love this show, sadly D'Onofrio and the script isn't making a very compelling antithesis to DD. Maybe I expected a craftier and thoughtful villain. A real puppeteer...Marvel's version of Lex Luthor. Cox is fantastic as DD though!
Seems like DD S2 has a better conflict going on at least.
Huh. Kingpin was fucking amazing in S1. I'm completely unable to grok your feelings about him. :/
The Maverick
Member
First 4 episodes of the Punisher arc is the best thing in the marvel cinematic universe. God damn. Elektra was well casted but her character just wasn't that interesting. Wilson Fisk doing his thing was great, and Daredevil has an awesome costume now. Stuff with the Hand is just boring though.
I'll still give the season a 7.9/10.
I'll still give the season a 7.9/10.
DeployThatPizza
Member
I enjoyed it. Punisher and Elektra were both great. The lack of a central villain kind of hurt it though. Some of the ninja plots were unexplained too.
Fisk is the highlight of season 1. Pretty much all the things you complained about made him compelling to me.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
People keep saying they need to tone down the
mysticism elements, but it's the opposite really. I'm gonna shoot myself if we have to sit through any of next season with the words "black sky" repeated a million times as if we're supposed to know why it's important.
They just need to go all in with the crazy demon ninja magic shit, because everything about it in the last few episodes was wholly unsatisfying.
They just need to go all in with the crazy demon ninja magic shit, because everything about it in the last few episodes was wholly unsatisfying.
JadedWriter
Member
I'm on ep 3 and Frank is fucking salty.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
I agree with all of this. I found myself getting quite confused about
all the Black Sky stuff and was wondering if I had missed some explanation somewhere but nope. It's important just because.
OrlanisWorks
Banned
Ever since seeing the first scene with Castle (he technically was there, just off camera), I felt like I wassimply waiting for the next scene he's in. I'm up past episode 9 and it had been several episodes since that thirst was quenched. Christ, my mouth was dry and the Daredevil bits were just drips. His badassery keeps me hooked.
I need a Punisher show. I have no idea if it'd work, as Castle would be absolutely blowing everyone away, but I feel the strong desire for it. He's so damn cool and his no-bullshit action scenes are exciting.
Elektra is cool. Not much more I can say on her.
I need a Punisher show. I have no idea if it'd work, as Castle would be absolutely blowing everyone away, but I feel the strong desire for it. He's so damn cool and his no-bullshit action scenes are exciting.
Elektra is cool. Not much more I can say on her.
I agree with this. I thought d'Onofrio was hamming it up too much, and it doesn't help that many of his scenes don't really advance the plot, leaving you to wonder, outside of a few nasty scenes, exactly why these henchmen are fawning over this huge manbaby.
I think he works better when his screen time is more limited to plotting and exerting control.
mocolostrocolos
Member
Finished it yesterday.
Loved it above S1.
I think Daredevil S2 is the best MCU product.
There was only one thing that bugged me:
Loved it above S1.
I think Daredevil S2 is the best MCU product.
There was only one thing that bugged me:
What the hell was in the hole?
peanutbutterlatte
Member
He's going to dismantle their lives. They shared in the laurels, they can share in the punishment.
Episode 11
The ninja stuff is getting really old. I can't believe Daredevil was handing out on the roof but couldn't get down fast enough to save the ONE person who gets stabbed to death. FFS. The Gao cameo was nice, the Karen/Punisher stuff was great, but it started to lose me towards the end when both Daredevil and Punisher were super obsessed with the Blacksmith. I don't even really understand why. Seems like a drug dealer who no one gave a fuck about previously until he was linked to this conspiracy, but his only role in the entire fuck up was that he -didn't show up for the sting-. He didn't order anyone to kill civilians, he didn't initiate the gang war, he didn't do jack shit. How is he in any way responsible? Lol.
The Elektra/Stick stuff seems pretty forced and dumb too. There was some really curious imagery near the end of the episode though. They spent a lot of time setting up Stick sharpening his sword. Like...a ... blacksmith?
The Elektra/Stick stuff seems pretty forced and dumb too. There was some really curious imagery near the end of the episode though. They spent a lot of time setting up Stick sharpening his sword. Like...a ... blacksmith?
he played a big baby for the whole season.
Episode 12
The ninja stuff towards the end of this season is dumb, boring, and just seriously overdone in a super uninteresting way. Even the fights are boring! The Elektra stuff is so on the nose it's hard to take it seriously either. The Punisher thing here was.... errr... stupid too. This was a pretty negative episode for me. They seem to be trying to wrap up all the storylines in the season in the dullest ways possible.
Too painful to continue watching, will finish the season tomorrow.
The ninja stuff towards the end of this season is dumb, boring, and just seriously overdone in a super uninteresting way. Even the fights are boring! The Elektra stuff is so on the nose it's hard to take it seriously either. The Punisher thing here was.... errr... stupid too. This was a pretty negative episode for me. They seem to be trying to wrap up all the storylines in the season in the dullest ways possible.
Too painful to continue watching, will finish the season tomorrow.
Spoilers about the last episodes:
That said, solid season. Some of the best stuff coming from Marvel's MCU in my opinion. Can't wait for season 3 and The Defenders. Not really hyped for Luke Cage or Iron Fist right now though and I don't think that a Punisher solo would work. Also, too bad they're not going in with crossovers, aside from very minor stuff like
; they should set up the Defenders better IMO, and I'm becoming annoyed by how far removed the television series are from the actual movies: Daredevil, Frank and Fisk are all great, well developed, characters by now, I wish we could see them around more, yet I fear Matt is never crossing into the movies, not even in Infinity War, same for Fisk in Spider-Man. Boo Marvel!
So yeah, it ends with a whimper, just like season 1 and Jessica Jones. I wonder why all Netflix shows start so strong and then drop the ball in the last two or so episodes.
The ninja fights got boring quickly, The Hand was portrayed in a very unsatisfying way. So, who was its leader? Nobu? Certainly didn't seem such a powerful guy in the first season, when he basically did everything Fisk wanted. The hole isn't explained, the pale kids aren't completely explained, the black jar isn't explained either, even though we can guess what it's for by now, the immortality thing isn't explained. What about Black Sky? Really not well explained, starting from the first season's kid to the awful revelation about Elektra being a (the? Is BS one or several entities?) Black Sky. They noticed she was BS because she fought well? Really? Didn't even say what they need BS for.
Elektra's motivations and actions themselves are really poorly explained, it's like she jumps from a mood to the opposite one in a matter of minutes: first she's with Stick, then suddenly with Matt, then she flees, then she comes back, she wants to kill Stick, then she helps him, she embraces her evil part, then she doesn't. Come on.
I think they should've gone wild with the mystic stuff. I was genuinely interested but they kept half-assing it, showing some weird stuff without explaining jack shit. It's like they were scared of alienating season 1 fans or something, because the approach then was far more realistic and gritty. They made a huge mistake.
The Blacksmith stuff is extremely unsatisfactory, feels like there's more to the park shooting than what we know, yet they don't delve on it. Feels like the Punisher story hasn't reached any closure. We hear a bit about Karen's past, then we don't go there either. It's like a constant, unresolved, teasing, and I'm worried we won't get answers in the next season: do you remember Stone in the first season? One would have assumed that he'd be in season 2, but nope. Why teasing things so much in advance then?
Frank's apparition in the last episode was kinda crap, I was expecting him go all out with the damn minigun... but we got two rifle shots instead? And 3/4 of the ninja army suddenly disappeared?
Matt also comes off as seriously confused in regards to his love life: first he's all in with Karen, even plainly rejecting his ex, then it's over so quickly with Karen and in the last episode he's literally salivating over Elektra. Then she's dead and he's like "ah whatever", going back to Karen immediately and showing her the mask. At one point I even thought he was going to try something with Claire again.
The ninja fights got boring quickly, The Hand was portrayed in a very unsatisfying way. So, who was its leader? Nobu? Certainly didn't seem such a powerful guy in the first season, when he basically did everything Fisk wanted. The hole isn't explained, the pale kids aren't completely explained, the black jar isn't explained either, even though we can guess what it's for by now, the immortality thing isn't explained. What about Black Sky? Really not well explained, starting from the first season's kid to the awful revelation about Elektra being a (the? Is BS one or several entities?) Black Sky. They noticed she was BS because she fought well? Really? Didn't even say what they need BS for.
Elektra's motivations and actions themselves are really poorly explained, it's like she jumps from a mood to the opposite one in a matter of minutes: first she's with Stick, then suddenly with Matt, then she flees, then she comes back, she wants to kill Stick, then she helps him, she embraces her evil part, then she doesn't. Come on.
I think they should've gone wild with the mystic stuff. I was genuinely interested but they kept half-assing it, showing some weird stuff without explaining jack shit. It's like they were scared of alienating season 1 fans or something, because the approach then was far more realistic and gritty. They made a huge mistake.
The Blacksmith stuff is extremely unsatisfactory, feels like there's more to the park shooting than what we know, yet they don't delve on it. Feels like the Punisher story hasn't reached any closure. We hear a bit about Karen's past, then we don't go there either. It's like a constant, unresolved, teasing, and I'm worried we won't get answers in the next season: do you remember Stone in the first season? One would have assumed that he'd be in season 2, but nope. Why teasing things so much in advance then?
Frank's apparition in the last episode was kinda crap, I was expecting him go all out with the damn minigun... but we got two rifle shots instead? And 3/4 of the ninja army suddenly disappeared?
Matt also comes off as seriously confused in regards to his love life: first he's all in with Karen, even plainly rejecting his ex, then it's over so quickly with Karen and in the last episode he's literally salivating over Elektra. Then she's dead and he's like "ah whatever", going back to Karen immediately and showing her the mask. At one point I even thought he was going to try something with Claire again.
That said, solid season. Some of the best stuff coming from Marvel's MCU in my opinion. Can't wait for season 3 and The Defenders. Not really hyped for Luke Cage or Iron Fist right now though and I don't think that a Punisher solo would work. Also, too bad they're not going in with crossovers, aside from very minor stuff like
Hogarth and Jessica's namedrop
The Horror the horror
Banned
Everyone wants the Punisher to have his own series, but if he isn't accompanied by a traditional hero against whom to contrast, his violence does not stand out and the show becomes another run-of-the-mill revenge story. That's why he can't carry a movie solo.
If we got a Punisher mini series that ended up feeling like "John Wick in the MCU" I would be more than satisfied. But yeah, I do feel Punisher works best when he has a traditional hero to contrast against.
i think that's an important thing to note. Without constrast, then his film would seem like nothing more than a snuff film
demosthenes
Member
I don't. Leave him as a side character.