Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check

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gunslikewhoa said:


There's a good thread about it there.
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Thanks for the share. I didn't find his arguments particularly convincing, but I'm sure time will tell as we see more data like this come in and get verified.
 
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Taxexemption said:
I wanna know how we can test the effectiveness of social distancing vs not doing it? Where is your peer reviewed study with a control group.
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Unfortunately, we've really only got Sweden.

Well, there's also a lot of poorer countries that will not be able to do social distancing at all, but it's unlikely we'll get reliable data from them.
 
Jtibh said:
I know a lot of you wrtire zerohedge off but i found this very interesting.

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
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I don't write ZH off, I think they have done a much better job than the media presenting the news and different sides.

That said... a few years ago I got the flu and was sick from late December through mid-February. It just never ended. The doctor said I must have caught something else or several something elses in that time period. It's absolutely not unheard of.

www.ctvnews.ca

Have a month-long cold? It's probably not the flu

Have a persistent cold that lasts for weeks? You’re not alone. Reports of a 'month-long cold' have been making the rounds as Canadians suffer through a particularly nasty flu season.
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If anyone is interested in seeing a good chart break down I use this site

ici.radio-canada.ca

COVID-19 : the latest numbers

Follow the evolution of the COVID-19 pandemic in Canada and around the world with our dashboard updated with the latest official data from health authorities.
ici.radio-canada.ca

If you click on World and USA you can click over the map and get some good breakdowns and charts for each state.
 


I think it's time for everyone outside of East Asia to just admit that this once in a century pandemic took them all by surprise, instead if trying to score points like this. BTW, the NYT looks as bad as The Guardian in terms of hypocrisy.
 
Kazza said:


I think it's time for everyone outside of East Asia to just admit that this once in a century pandemic took them all by surprise, instead if trying to score points like this. BTW, the NYT looks as bad as The Guardian in terms of hypocrisy.
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If they did that then they wouldn't get panic porn attention.
 
I don't like Trump at all, and I think he's acted like a total child on Twitter through all this and like a baby in his press conferences. But in terms of action and policy? He's been ok. Not great, far from horrible. I honestly expected much worse.

If people want intellectual debate and discussion, by saying he's responsible for all the deaths in America is absolutely moronic and makes you look unhinged and people not want to debate you because it's clear you don't want rational debate, you just want to rail on a guy you hate. There are plenty of things to rail on Trump for. Pick one of the actual reasonable ones. Like how he's been on Twitter talking about his ratings.
 
Kazza said:


I think it's time for everyone outside of East Asia to just admit that this once in a century pandemic took them all by surprise, instead if trying to score points like this. BTW, the NYT looks as bad as The Guardian in terms of hypocrisy.
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I find it difficult to understand these people:

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It must take a certain amount of sociopathy to be able to accuse someone else of downplaying something (to the point of causing the death of other people) when you yourself had already downplayed it, and then to accept plaudits like this
 
Anyone else been watching the livestreams by Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying? Nice relaxing and informative discussion about the virus and it's societal implications from two evolutionary biologists:

 
Taxexemption said:
I wanna know how we can test the effectiveness of social distancing vs not doing it? Where is your peer reviewed study with a control group.
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We have experience from previous crisis :
history.com

How U.S. Cities Tried to Halt the Spread of the 1918 Spanish Flu | HISTORY

How U.S. city officials responded to the Spanish flu played a critical role in how many residents lived—and died.
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You can consider Philadelphia the control group, Saint Louis the test group for social distancing and San Francisco the test group for masks.
 
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DV27 said:
Incidentally, interesting to see the herd immunity model looking like a good option. The UK government was slaughtered by everyone for suggesting such a thing a month ago...
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..Thats what happens when loudmouth, wankstain gobshites like Piers Morgan, are given a platform to shout 'JUST DO SOMETHING' 24/7 in the media.
 
Left the house today for the first time in April (not counting daily Rottie walks). I figured I'd take advantage of gas prices ($1.49 for 91 Octane) and midnight seemed like an appropriately safe time. I know it's late but are the roads ever empty.
 
Zefah said:
Yeah, I've seen this, too. It looks scary in graph form like that, but it's also important to note that Sweden hasn't sacrificed their society to combat this thing. Their argument is that they will see more deaths up front, but will be able to mostly operate as normal. Meanwhile, other countries will see a flatter, but much longer curve that ultimately ends up in roughly the same amount of deaths.

Only time will tell what the truth is.
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Sweden has a healthcare system able to cope with their approach, other countries do not. It is what Johnson wanted to do here, but he had to change his mind, as the NHS wouldn't have been able to handle it - they barely are now in London, even with a lockdown in place. Imagine the clusterfuck that would have occurred here if everyone was out and mingling.

diffusionx said:
I remember when some of the governors said even with the lockdown we would get 80%-100% infected with this. But I was ok with the lockdown were it premised on the fact that we didn't want to break the hospital system. I really was. But the idea that we were going to break the hospital system was based on terrible models that just didn't pan out.
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This doesn't make any sense. You are angry that the lockdown has eased pressure on the hospitals and they aren't struggling to cope? That was the idea behind locking down in the first place. Don't be annoyed it worked.
 
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#Phonepunk# said:
so until yesterday i never bothered looking at international stats. look at that absurd death rate in China. no wonder people don't trust these numbers.


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What is absurd about death rates in a country that claims to have ONLY 1041 INFECTED?
Is it impossible to bring total number of infected down? Well, click on Germany, Switzerland, Austria and check their "active cases" (not ottal) and think again.
Of 145k cases in Germany, 88k already recovered (one way or another), only 52.6k are still active
 
New Zealand seem to be the winners in this whole saga. Yeah it is a low population country, but they locked down tight and tested and traced and it has worked. It helps when you have capable leadership. Go figure.
 
bender said:
Left the house today for the first time in April (not counting daily Rottie walks). I figured I'd take advantage of gas prices ($1.49 for 91 Octane) and midnight seemed like an appropriately safe time. I know it's late but are the roads ever empty.
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In my state you aren't allowed to drive at midnight. You get a fine. Same goes for leaving the house without a mask. (this is ok)
 
solidsheelop said:
Can anyone explain the mistrust some have for Fauci? Is it just cause he's worked in his field so long and for so many presidents?
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I think it depends on how far down the rabbit hole you go, and which rabbit holes you choose.

If you go deep, he has associations with a wide range of groups which, again, depending on rabbit hole, are less than savory. For example, one theory is that this pandemic is going to be used to institute some sort of biochip identification program required to show immunity in order to go to work, stores, etc [the biblical mark of the beast]. A less religious version is that it will similarly be used to institute mandatory vaccination programs worldwide, effectively creating a trillion dollar govt subsidized industry for big pharm to have forced consumers for. Other think govts will use this for other tyrannical advances.

Fauci has many connections to major players in these theories, so will magnetically attract conspiracy theories. His own words regarding things like vaccination papers don't help his case.

Ultimately, though, he is effectively the doctor in charge. Since not everyone will agree with him, and others hate trump, etc., people are guaranteed to hate him. And since he's well respected in his industry, of course he has many connections. Which doesn't mean any specific theory is false, but does mean its easy to come up with theories.

If we get through this with a relatively low death count, and our basic liberties are preserved, most will forgot about all this fairly quickly and he'll be revered as a hero by most.

Having listened to him speak many times now, i think he's doing pretty good. His goal isn't necessarily the same as mine, but i dont think he is innately nefarious. Though that said, that he would even entertain immunization papers does means he could support ideas i would find nefarious, though i believe he would be viewing it through the prism of saving lives, with liberty not something he is as concerned with,
 
holygeesus said:
New Zealand seem to be the winners in this whole saga. Yeah it is a low population country, but they locked down tight and tested and traced and it has worked. It helps when you have capable leadership. Go figure.
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Such a simplistic comparison.

Isolated, low population density countries like NZ will never suffer to the same degree as places like high population density areas like Europe & the rest.

There is nothing to learn from places like that which have any relevance, whatsoever.
 
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Plasma programme

We have now completed two major trials for convalescent plasma for people in hospital with coronavirus and no longer need convalescent plasma donors to come forward to donate.
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Some people simply deserve to die and I don't think this shit can happen anywhere in the world, but in USA things are obviously different:
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Time to bring sticks to beat them like in India.

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To be fair I don't see that many people in that protest, and in any population you can find a small number of people defending any opinion, even the craziest ones. I won't even consider people being worried about their job and considering they can take the risk of no lockdown "dumb" (although I don't necessarily agree with them).
 
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Dr.D00p said:
Such a simplistic comparison.

Isolated, low population density countries like NZ will never suffer to the same degree as places like high population density areas like Europe & the rest.

There is nothing to learn from places like that which have any relevance, whatsoever.
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Hardly any cases and they locked down straight away. Notice the difference in approach?
 
holygeesus said:
Hardly any cases and they locked down straight away. Notice the difference in approach?
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I have no interest in living in a country which believes it has the power to lock down its people.

I have high interest in living in a country where people are informed of the risk and generally act in a responsible manner, allowing for the occassional exception.

arguably, I would even suggest having some amount of people social distancing in full, and some interacting, may be a best case balance to avoid overwhelming wave 1 and negating wave 2.

I also do not measure success via raw death count. We could have reduced death count by welding early cases indoors... but that lower death rate does not justify the actions.

my bill of rights does not have an exemption for pandemic. i would consider that a failure of a state, not a success.

oh, and comparing death totals across countries with different population density, customs, counting metrics, testing metrics, and whatnot is a silly comparison to begin with.

I care that my country is still my country when this passes. I do not for a second want government to believe it can lock us down every time a bug goes kachoo.
 
autoduelist said:
oh, and comparing death totals across countries with different population density, customs, counting metrics, testing metrics, and whatnot is a silly comparison to begin with.
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Only when you don't like what the stats show you I guess.

population density of New Zealand 18 per km-squared 12 deaths
population density of Colorado 20 per km-squared 411 deaths
 
Phunkydiabetic said:
> pandemic
>virus spreads at a furious rate
>healthcare systems across the world are completely overwhelmed
>worldwide disruption on a scale not seen in generations
>"free muh common sense"

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>mfw
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Eh. She is in a car. She will not catch it. Certain governors are wildly overreacting. We are free to protest. We are free to take risks.

just because hospitals in some areas are overrun does not mean people in unaffected, or low infected areas must necessarily lockdown.

not everyone lives in fear. I know I don't. I am careful, I take a nice long look around and stay safe, but I could give 2 fucks what my governor says, I am better equipped tomake decisions concerning my safety and my rights than my government is.
 
DragoonKain said:
This virus is very serious, but the hyperbole isn't doing anyone any good. There's absolutely no logical reason for those kind of far off projections being made right now. All it does is scare people. No one can predict anything in 2022, it's absurd. That has to stop.
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This is a really good point. Ignoring the propaganda, and looking at the MSM "mainstream social media", literally all those graphers out there who hate on the regular man and tweet their latest colour-graphs like a toddler scribbling a picture on the family fridge, are literally trying to predict the future like ancient witches. Science is the new cult religion. Literally.
 
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M1chl said:
Some people simply deserve to die and I don't think this shit can happen anywhere in the world, but in USA things are obviously different:
Link
Time to bring sticks to beat them like in India.

ann5bNV6_700wp_0.webp
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"Hundreds" is not a large crowd, on the other hand, and likely exactly because number of dumbfucks is rather low.
 
holygeesus said:
This doesn't make any sense. You are angry that the lockdown has eased pressure on the hospitals and they aren't struggling to cope? That was the idea behind locking down in the first place. Don't be annoyed it worked.
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Lockdown was predicated on the crazy numbers in the models, basically predicting doomsday even with a lockdown. You can go back and see Cuomo hyping up the "worst week ever" 2 or 3 weeks ago. The models turned out to be totally and completely wrong. There is no doomsday, there was no doomsday, our system can handle it, our system almost certainly *did* handle it in February. By the end of the "worst week ever" I think hospitalizations were down from the beginning.

The whole "ventilator shortage" thing was based on those models - turns out NY needed something like a quarter of the what the model predicted. So I'm angry the lockdown is continuing even after it was shown that we can handle this like regular human beings.
 
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autoduelist said:
Dude, one of them is literally surrounded by water.
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Proving that locking people away from others works. They closed air travel in and out before a single death had occurred.
diffusionx said:
You can go back and see Cuomo hyping up the "worst week ever" 2 or 3 weeks ago. The models turned out to be totally and completely wrong.
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Wasn't New York under lockdown by then? Either way, if it hasn't turned into 'doomsday' as you put it, shouldn't you be commending him for his tactics working?
 
Update on my dad's illness:

He says breathing remains ok, but he is in chronic pain.

I'm also going to stay in my room now. Not worth taking anymore risks unless I really have to.
 
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My UK colleague got infected. Under 50, non-smocker, rugby player looking dude.
Has breathing shortage and getting tired quickly, feels weak overall, was told to stay home.

Was cations regarding self-isolation, but his wife is "essential worker" going out 3 days a week (not sure where she works).
 
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JordanN said:
Update on my dad's illness:

He says breathing remains ok, but he is in chronic pain.

I'm also going to stay in my room now. Not worth taking anymore risks unless I really have to.
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I hope you've got your own bathroom, catching covid 19 from a toilet seat is no way to go out.

Please start a JordanN in isolation topic so we can track your progress.
 
Kazza said:
It must take a certain amount of sociopathy to be able to accuse someone else of downplaying something (to the point of causing the death of other people) when you yourself had already downplayed it, and then to accept plaudits like this
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The national news networks are so transparent in their biases that its insulting they try to pitch themselves as "fair and balanced" or whatever the fuck CNN says they are these days. I dont understand how anybody could take any of their advice without a gigantic grain of salt.

Funnily enough, the local news (for me at least) which normally doesnt really tell you much of anything of value, has been a treasure trove of pertinent info over the last two months:

-how to file for COVID-19 related job loss benefits and great FAQ segment on this
-what the restaurant closures meant and how to be safe when ordering out
-constantly posting COVID-19 medical resource information
-donation centers and which hospitals were reporting shortages of PPE
etc,etc.
 
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Short essay: After Repeated Failures, It's Time To Permanently Dump Epidemic Models (4/18/20)

"Later, avian flu strain A/H5N1, 'even in the best-case scenarios' was to 'cause 2 (million) to 7 million deaths' worldwide. A British professor named Neil Ferguson scaled that up to 200 million. It killed 440. This same Ferguson in 2002 had projected 50-50,000 deaths from so-called 'Mad Cow Disease'. But the final toll was slightly over 200. In the current crisis the most alarming model, nay probably the most influential in the implementation of the draconian quarantines worldwide, projected a maximum of 2.2 million American deaths and 550,000 United Kingdom deaths unless there were severe restrictions for 18 months or until a vaccine was developed. The primary author: Neil Ferguson."

"The only 'model"'with any success is actually quite accomplished and appeared in 1840, when a 'computer' was an abacus. It's called Farr's Law, and is actually more of an observation that epidemics grow fastest at first and then slow to a peak, then decline in a more-or-less symmetrical pattern. As you might guess from the date, it precedes public health services and doesn't require lockdowns or really any interventions at all. Rather, the disease grabs the low-hanging fruit (with COVID-19 that's the elderly with co-morbid conditions) and finds it progressively harder to get more fruit."
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