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Hi, everyone.

Last night at 2:00 am my Mom was on the toilet trying to throw up, but she was unable to. She said it was her stomach. I saw that she was in deep distress so I called for an ambulance. It turns out that she was bleeding internally. They think one of her broken bones might've cut into her. They haven't stoped the bleeding because her INR is very high.

I might never see her again.
 
Siri said:
Hi, everyone.

Last night at 2:00 am my Mom was on the toilet trying to throw up, but she was unable to. She said it was her stomach. I saw that she was in deep distress so I called for an ambulance. It turns out that she was bleeding internally. They think one of her broken bones might've cut into her. They haven't stoped the bleeding because her INR is very high.

I might never see her again.
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I hope she gets better.
 
Siri said:
Hi, everyone.

Last night at 2:00 am my Mom was on the toilet trying to throw up, but she was unable to. She said it was her stomach. I saw that she was in deep distress so I called for an ambulance. It turns out that she was bleeding internally. They think one of her broken bones might've cut into her. They haven't stoped the bleeding because her INR is very high.

I might never see her again.
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I am very sorry to hear this. I hope she is okay and recovers quickly. Stay strong Siri, you're a great person who doesn't deserve any of this
 
Siri said:
Hi, everyone.

Last night at 2:00 am my Mom was on the toilet trying to throw up, but she was unable to. She said it was her stomach. I saw that she was in deep distress so I called for an ambulance. It turns out that she was bleeding internally. They think one of her broken bones might've cut into her. They haven't stoped the bleeding because her INR is very high.

I might never see her again.
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Hang in there, I'm sure they'll do their best for her, keep the faith. She'll keep fighting.
 
Sejan said:
I haven't posted US numbers graphs in a little while. I've got four to share today. These are US numbers as of yesterday.

Logarithmic Growth of COVID-19

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In a logarithmic graph, a straight line shows exponential growth. The red line shows that we saw exponential growth for a pretty long while. As you can see, over the past month or so, this graph has been flattening considerably. While our daily growth numbers have remained stable over the past few days (as a future graph will show), exponential growth is simply not happening on a national scale any longer. This can, of course, change with a hypothetical second wave, but for now it is encouraging.


Percent Growth

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This graph illustrates just how small the growth is becoming on the whole. While new sick people are certainly always a problem, as a representation of growth we are narrowing into a range of 4%. Growth at this level has a doubling time of 18 days. The worst we saw in the numbers was a doubling time approaching once every 2 days. Obviously this is a huge benefit. The red line is a 5 day rolling average.


Actual Daily Growth

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The actual daily growth has simply stopped growing. Let me show you this same graph zoomed in.

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By only looking at the past 14 days, we can see that our daily growth is actually just barely trending down (green line is a linear trend line of this time period). Again, 30,000 new sick people a day is certainly tragic, but seeing a trend downwards certainly offers a glimmer of hope to us all.



Conclusion
Yes some of this data is limited by testing, but this is less of a problem compared to even a short time ago. I've seen several counties in my state offering free testing to anyone that is willing to come through a drive through whether or not you have shown symptoms. On top of that, deaths are beginning to trend downwards in some of the states that states that were hardest hit by this virus. New York has gotten a good enough hold of their situation that they have begun offering their resources to other states. While we will never know the true number of people that were affected by this illness, we can have confidence that things are beginning to look a little better. Testing is becoming far more available while deaths are leveling off and even dropping.
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Thanks Sejan, always appreciate your updates in this thread. Very informative, but also encouraging.
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DragoonKain said:
I do think the social distancing was necessary. I think people with agendas will try to twist statistics to fit their agendas. Because the far right wants to puff their chests out that "pussy liberals" were scared of the virus for no reason and we can't let the country be run by a bunch of pussies. and the far left will make it into a virus that was completely avoidable if Trump had acted sooner and anyone who blames China is a racist.

I think the middle of the truth. This is a lot more dangerous than the flu and countries/cities that are densely populated will have a lot of deaths if they don't take preventative measures.

Social distancing isn't exactly new either. It went on in the 15th and 16th centuries for the English Sweating sickness too. I mean, people have been doing it forever, I think some think this is some new thing driven by political agendas and it isn't.
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We were doing social distancing in NY before lunatic governors tried to lock us in our homes. It can be done while maintaining a regular life.

People are absolutely tuning this stuff out. Lots of folks out and about today in the beautiful weather. Most had masks, but this whole "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STAY HOME" hysteria and nonstop propaganda isn't working anymore. It's just not. And this is in NYC. Emperor Cuomo can either accept reality that people are ready to live their lives again, or crack down hard.
 
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diffusionx said:
We were doing social distancing in NY before lunatic governors tried to lock us in our homes. It can be done while maintaining a regular life.

People are absolutely tuning this stuff out. Lots of folks out and about today in the beautiful weather. Most had masks, but this whole "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STAY HOME" hysteria and nonstop propaganda isn't working anymore. It's just not. And this is in NYC. Emperor Cuomo can either accept reality that people are ready to live their lives again, or crack down hard.
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I mean, I get why people wanna resume normal life, but the hospitals have finally caught up because people have been staying inside. If not, I think every hospital in NYC would've been overwhelmed.

And I don't think you can have a functioning economy either when a virus runs rampant. I mean look at what happened to the pork plant in South Dakota. 635 sick employees at that plant, they had to shut down the plant because they didn't follow procedure. Resuming normal life sounds fine, but when there are more exponentially sick people out there, your economy is gonna get fucked either way, because jobs all over will run out of workers.

And I don't mean death. Everyone's focusing too much on just the deaths. There are countless people who either didn't die or haven't yet who have been incredibly ill who couldn't work even if they wanted to. Aside from the dead there would be hundreds of thousands of people put out of commission for weeks until they recovered from this virus. More masks and supplies would be needed because everyone would be out in public, which isn't the case when people stay home. Our mask, gloves, sanitizer, soap shortages would be even worse.

And I don't think Cuomo ever tried to "lock" anyone in their homes. No state has said you can't leave the house. I haven't heard one governor say you can't go out and get food or take a walk as long as you aren't near anyone.
 
Siri said:
Hi, everyone.

Last night at 2:00 am my Mom was on the toilet trying to throw up, but she was unable to. She said it was her stomach. I saw that she was in deep distress so I called for an ambulance. It turns out that she was bleeding internally. They think one of her broken bones might've cut into her. They haven't stoped the bleeding because her INR is very high.

I might never see her again.
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So sorry to hear that, Siri. You have a lot of people here hoping she will pull through. I hope and pray that she come out of this OK.
 
DragoonKain said:
I mean, I get why people wanna resume normal life, but the hospitals have finally caught up because people have been staying inside. If not, I think every hospital in NYC would've been overwhelmed.

And I don't think you can have a functioning economy either when a virus runs rampant. I mean look at what happened to the pork plant in South Dakota. 635 sick employees at that plant, they had to shut down the plant because they didn't follow procedure. Resuming normal life sounds fine, but when there are more exponentially sick people out there, your economy is gonna get fucked either way, because jobs all over will run out of workers.

And I don't mean death. Everyone's focusing too much on just the deaths. There are countless people who either didn't die or haven't yet who have been incredibly ill who couldn't work even if they wanted to. Aside from the dead there would be hundreds of thousands of people put out of commission for weeks until they recovered from this virus. More masks and supplies would be needed because everyone would be out in public, which isn't the case when people stay home. Our mask, gloves, sanitizer, soap shortages would be even worse.

And I don't think Cuomo ever tried to "lock" anyone in their homes. No state has said you can't leave the house. I haven't heard one governor say you can't go out and get food or take a walk as long as you aren't near anyone.
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I disagree that jobs will run out of workers. The plant closed because the workers are prohibited to work as Covid positive. Even if they are not really suffering anything serious. I had Covid and it was very manageable.
 
nbcjr said:
I disagree that jobs will run out of workers. The plant closed because the workers are prohibited to work as Covid positive. Even if they are not really suffering anything serious. I had Covid and it was very manageable.
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For you maybe, but there are tons of people who are anywhere from bed ridden for weeks to hooked up to ventilators. Can't let this virus get unleashed it will ravage work places.

Even with the protests, the majority of the country fears it significantly, and not just them getting sick but infecting those they care about.

I think some people feel that if we ignored all these guidelines we'd have a normal functioning society with just some dead people and that would be the only difference. It doesn't work that way.
 
ManaByte said:
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I remember when some of the governors said even with the lockdown we would get 80%-100% infected with this. But I was ok with the lockdown were it premised on the fact that we didn't want to break the hospital system. I really was. But the idea that we were going to break the hospital system was based on terrible models that just didn't pan out. So it was time to move beyond the lockdown and into the Sweden strategy as soon as those models were proven to be shit. But meanwhile justification for the lockdown seems to have morphed from "make sure hospitals can function" into "not one person can get COVID 19, ever", which is of course ludicrous.
 
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diffusionx said:
I remember when some of the governors said even with the lockdown we would get 80%-100% infected with this. But I was ok with the lockdown were it premised on the fact that we didn't want to break the hospital system. I really was. But the idea that we were going to break the hospital system was based on terrible models that just didn't pan out. So it was time to move beyond the lockdown and into the Sweden strategy as soon as those models were proven to be shit. But meanwhile justification for the lockdown seems to have morphed from "make sure hospitals can function" into "not one person can get COVID 19, ever", which is of course ludicrous.
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Tyrants will say anything to keep their control.
 
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Out of curiosity, how exactly do we know when someone has recovered from coronavirus or they're immune?

Especially with reports that the virus can reactivate in patients?

I've been given two weeks off from work but my mother has been sick since April 7th or basically it's been 3 weeks with the virus. I also just read the virus can hide inside the body for 14 days.
 
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Instead of asking a question and reporting the answer CNN treats every time they are called on like it is a debate where they have to argue their personal point of view.
 
Man, fuck this smug-ass CNN guy. What a goon. "Were you duped by President Xi?" What is he even doing there?

It's like they send people in there under orders to try to incense and set him off.
 
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Mr Nash said:
Yikes, looks like they re-opened a beach in Florida and it was instantly swamped with people. I guess this is a warning that regions will need to be extra vigilant while trying to re-open. Crowds like this probably aren't a good idea.

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Florida is going to open up. It's happening
 
Siri said:
Hi, everyone.

Last night at 2:00 am my Mom was on the toilet trying to throw up, but she was unable to. She said it was her stomach. I saw that she was in deep distress so I called for an ambulance. It turns out that she was bleeding internally. They think one of her broken bones might've cut into her. They haven't stoped the bleeding because her INR is very high.

I might never see her again.
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Good that you called the ambulance, I'm sure they're doing everything.
 
Did this Stanford study get shared earlier? I saw it from the good doctor's video he posted yesterday.

www.medrxiv.org

COVID-19 Antibody Seroprevalence in Santa Clara County, California

Background Addressing COVID-19 is a pressing health and social concern. To date, many epidemic projections and policies addressing COVID-19 have been designed without seroprevalence data to inform epidemic parameters. We measured the seroprevalence of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 in Santa Clara...
www.medrxiv.org www.medrxiv.org

Asbtract said:
Background Addressing COVID-19 is a pressing health and social concern. To date, many epidemic projections and policies addressing COVID-19 have been designed without seroprevalence data to inform epidemic parameters. We measured the seroprevalence of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 in Santa Clara County. Methods On 4/3-4/4, 2020, we tested county residents for antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 using a lateral flow immunoassay. Participants were recruited using Facebook ads targeting a representative sample of the county by demographic and geographic characteristics. We report the prevalence of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 in a sample of 3,330 people, adjusting for zip code, sex, and race/ethnicity. We also adjust for test performance characteristics using 3 different estimates: (i) the test manufacturer's data, (ii) a sample of 37 positive and 30 negative controls tested at Stanford, and (iii) a combination of both. Results The unadjusted prevalence of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 in Santa Clara County was 1.5% (exact binomial 95CI 1.11-1.97%), and the population-weighted prevalence was 2.81% (95CI 2.24-3.37%). Under the three scenarios for test performance characteristics, the population prevalence of COVID-19 in Santa Clara ranged from 2.49% (95CI 1.80-3.17%) to 4.16% (2.58-5.70%). These prevalence estimates represent a range between 48,000 and 81,000 people infected in Santa Clara County by early April, 50-85-fold more than the number of confirmed cases. Conclusions The population prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in Santa Clara County implies that the infection is much more widespread than indicated by the number of confirmed cases. Population prevalence estimates can now be used to calibrate epidemic and mortality projections.
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Hasn't been peer reviewed, but their findings are crazy if true.
 
Zefah said:
Man, fuck this smug-ass CNN guy. What a goon. "Were you duped by President Xi?" What is he even doing there?

It's like they send people in there under orders to try to incense and set him off.
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yes "were you duped"? essentially trying to start a fight between two world powers. what the fuck kind of question is that?

if these journalist assholes could start a world war for the ratings they would. that's how much they believe in nothing.
 
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#Phonepunk# said:
yes "were you duped"? essentially trying to start a fight between two world powers. what the fuck kind of question is that?

if these journalist assholes could start a world war for the ratings they would. that's how much they believe in nothing.
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Also like how he thought he got a "gotcha" with the 41,000 number when Trump said 40,000. What a dickwad.
 
Lawrence 'Chunk' Cohen said:
Quarantine Crazy

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I don't think having hospital workers go out and "present" themselves to the mob is going to carry the message they want. These people think this whole thing is blown out of proportion. They'll just point to these hospital workers not... well, working, as further evidence of that.
 
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Zefah said:
Did this Stanford study get shared earlier? I saw it from the good doctor's video he posted yesterday.

www.medrxiv.org

COVID-19 Antibody Seroprevalence in Santa Clara County, California

Background Addressing COVID-19 is a pressing health and social concern. To date, many epidemic projections and policies addressing COVID-19 have been designed without seroprevalence data to inform epidemic parameters. We measured the seroprevalence of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 in Santa Clara...
www.medrxiv.org www.medrxiv.org



Hasn't been peer reviewed, but their findings are crazy if true.
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There's a good thread about it there.
 
I know a lot of you wrtire zerohedge off but i found this very interesting.

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
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