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[lukilladog]

I don´t care what you deniers say, cousin of mine died last week to this, neighbor side of my house previous month, neighbor of my father 15 days ago, owner of a grocery store 2 blocks away died 2 month ago. 1 neighbor of my sister also died, and some family from her friends also died. It´s just like the epidemiologists predicted.

 

[Joe T.]

I apparently missed this local story a couple of days ago, but it's tangentially related to the recent NY Times story about tests being too sensitive and a number of others dealing with people getting infected a second time as well as asymptomatic spread. It made me laugh because it almost reads like an SNL sketch from a bygone era with a wink and a nod to an audience in the know:

Quebec woman’s patience tested by 8th positive COVID-19 test | Globalnews.ca

Sarah-Laurence Côté, a 20-year-old nursing student from Quebec, has tested positive for COVID-19 eight times over four months, despite having no symptoms of the virus since May.

globalnews.ca

The 20-year-old nursing student from Mirabel, Que., has tested positive for COVID-19 eight times over four months, despite not having any symptoms of the virus since mid-May. She’s been forced to do her classes online, and has stopped doing shifts at a Montreal seniors’ residence where she works as an orderly.

After her first positive test on May 6, Côté spent three weeks quarantined with her boyfriend. They were nervous he would contract the virus, but he didn’t. Côté then moved back home with her parents and grandparents. The family was careful to keep her separate, going so far as to seal off air ducts to the area where she was living downstairs.

But after another positive test last week, doctors told her she’d had the virus so long that they considered it a “re-infection.”

 

[Jezbollah]

My condolencies to you and your family lukilladog

 

[MisterFalcon]

Reinfections are perfectly normal, if you have had covid you have not changed every single cell in your body to no longer be infectable, your immune system has just been primed. In an average healthy person it would be something like this:

First few days: infection growths unhindered until the immune system identifies it and starts making antibodies (you will test positive here to a sensitive test and not to antibody test)
Next few days: Immune system starts flooding the body with antibodies which bind to the virus so it cannot infect cells and other cells start actively killing the virus and infected cells (you will test positive here for a less sensitive virus test and are infectious)
Week 2: As the virus finds more and more antibodies instead of cells to multiply it cannot spread and is contained and dies off (you will still test positive here but are no longer contagious and test positive for antibodies)
Week 3: The virus is defeated and your body is full of antibodies which makes it difficult for you to be reinfected. (you will test positive to a sensitive test seeing dead virus parts)

Six weeks later: The antibodies start dying and you no longer test positive for either covid or antibodies. You don't keep making antibodies forever as this would make your blood be nothing but antibodies if you kept making them for every disease you ever had. But your immune system is ready to come down on any new infection like a ton of bricks.
If you breathe in a bunch of covid in the morning and are tested in the afternoon then you will test positive. If you breathe in a lot of virus from a sick person (much more then in your original infection) you may even get more sick then before. But still your immune system works as intended and will protect you.

 

[Saruhashi]

Reinfections are perfectly normal, if you have had covid you have not changed every single cell in your body to no longer be infectable, your immune system has just been primed. In an average healthy person it would be something like this:

First few days: infection growths unhindered until the immune system identifies it and starts making antibodies (you will test positive here to a sensitive test and not to antibody test)
Next few days: Immune system starts flooding the body with antibodies which bind to the virus so it cannot infect cells and other cells start actively killing the virus and infected cells (you will test positive here for a less sensitive virus test and are infectious)
Week 2: As the virus finds more and more antibodies instead of cells to multiply it cannot spread and is contained and dies off (you will still test positive here but are no longer contagious and test positive for antibodies)
Week 3: The virus is defeated and your body is full of antibodies which makes it difficult for you to be reinfected. (you will test positive to a sensitive test seeing dead virus parts)

Six weeks later: The antibodies start dying and you no longer test positive for either covid or antibodies. You don't keep making antibodies forever as this would make your blood be nothing but antibodies if you kept making them for every disease you ever had. But your immune system is ready to come down on any new infection like a ton of bricks.
If you breathe in a bunch of covid in the morning and are tested in the afternoon then you will test positive. If you breathe in a lot of virus from a sick person (much more then in your original infection) you may even get more sick then before. But still your immune system works as intended and will protect you.

Ah but the general public has the impression that once you have had a virus you "can't catch it again" so why would we want to properly inform them when we could make sure they don't have enough information and must continue to live in fear.

I mean, it's not like once you have immunity the virus will just die on contact with your body. That's common sense.

We've been living with this virus since the start of the year and the basic lack of knowledge out there among the public is actually kind of frightening.
The way mainstream media informs without fully informing is really, really, quite disturbing.

If Trump loses in November then I wonder how the narrative on all this will shift.

 

[Saruhashi]

I am patiently waiting for millions to die in Belarus. And they had these types of protests for basically a month now. Go back 1 week ago or 2 weeks ago and you will see the same 100's of thousands of protesters.

The thing with this is that we should be able to track cases associated with large scale events like this just by looking at the numbers.

So if you lived in a country where cases were on the way down and then the George Floyd protests kicked off you should be able to locate the associated spike in numbers. If that can't be done then questions should be asked about why.

I suspect that the reason why is that most people simply do not have symptoms that are serious enough to even consider going to get tested.
So if you attend a protest on September 1st and on September 10th you feel a bit under the weather but not too bad and it clears up in like 3 days then you probably won't bother going to get tested.

Plus who really wants to admit they think they got sick at some event they probably should have known better than to be attending? Sit in the house for a few days and ride it out and then get on with things.

I think the most reliable figures people need to be looking at is the number of deaths, the increase or decrease in the rate of deaths, the number of people being hospitalized, the associated rate of increase or decrease for hospitalizations.

 

[sinnergy]

Here in the Netherlands they report on all aspects even reinfection and how the body handles viruses, but there are people who don’t want to hear it , choose to ignore it, pretend that the virus doesn’t exists or that the virus is only active in other parts of the country .

You can yell as hard as you want but those people will not act.

We all have brains and internet and everyone could educate them selfs if they want .

It’s not always a governments fault ..
we are sentient beings perfectly capable of making own decisions, to bad some make shitty choices.

Without interference we would be looking at 5+ years of this shit .

Thank god it looks like vaccines seem to be a option . I am fed up of people who just keep going to work when displaying all symptoms and infecting otherS that could die. Selfish idiots .

 

[Kev Kev]

I don´t care what you deniers say, cousin of mine died last week to this, neighbor side of my house previous month, neighbor of my father 15 days ago, owner of a grocery store 2 blocks away died 2 month ago. 1 neighbor of my sister also died, and some family from her friends also died. It´s just like the epidemiologists predicted.

no one is saying those people didnt die

but covid is under control now. hospitals are doing fine. its only those people who are high risk that should have to stay home or wear a mask when they go out, not the rest of us. the masks are coming off soon, whether you like it or not. and its up to you to protect yourself, not me

 

[Saruhashi]

Here in the Netherlands they report on all aspects even reinfection and how the body handles viruses, but there are people who don’t want to hear it , choose to ignore it, pretend that the virus doesn’t exists or that the virus is only active in other parts of the country .

You can yell as hard as you want but those people will not act.

We all have brains and internet and everyone could educate them selfs if they want .

It’s not always a governments fault ..
we are sentient beings perfectly capable of making own decisions, to bad some make shitty choices.

A very simple Google search shows that the virus activity in different parts of the country does vary though.

It's over 10,000 cases in areas like South Holland and North Brabant.
Less than 1,000 cases in places like Flevoland, Zeeland, Friesland, Drenthe and Groningen.
That's TOTAL all time cases by the way.

It follows then that people in the second group of places are going to feel a bit like why should they be subject to the same restrictions over 500 cases since Mid-March as those areas with 10,000 cases.

That's like less than 5 minutes of research.

Why should people in a rural area with a small number of cases need to be subject to the same restrictions as people in urban areas with thousands of cases?

Maybe it's not that they aren't listening but that they are trying to apply some common sense?

I mean if you are a small business owner in one of those places with less than 1,000 cases since March then the idea that you are forced to stay closed because the major cities miles away are having loads of cases must seem extremely unfair? I would say that this is an example of needless damage being done in communities where there are handling the virus just fine because there are so few cases.

Fair enough for the "we need to do it to save lives" argument to be made in major urban centers with high population density.
Not so much in smaller regions with less people, less cases and more opportunity to make sensible decisions that can save lives and also not destroy people's livelihoods.

 

[sinnergy]

A very simple Google search shows that the virus activity in different parts of the country does vary though.

It's over 10,000 cases in areas like South Holland and North Brabant.
Less than 1,000 cases in places like Flevoland, Zeeland, Friesland, Drenthe and Groningen.
That's TOTAL all time cases by the way.

It follows then that people in the second group of places are going to feel a bit like why should they be subject to the same restrictions over 500 cases since Mid-March as those areas with 10,000 cases.

That's like less than 5 minutes of research.

Why should people in a rural area with a small number of cases need to be subject to the same restrictions as people in urban areas with thousands of cases?

Maybe it's not that they aren't listening but that they are trying to apply some common sense?

Because people travel all over the country? Who says they have desk jobs? And they have more freedom , as other parts in the country they need to wear masks.

But that’s not the point , if you have flu like symptoms, you stay home / work home and get tested. And that’s not what happens.

Instead of doing your part in reducing spread , there is a significant part that says those rules don’t apply, so if you look at it this way , they help the isolation of elderly and because the virus keeps circulating, we get hospitalized people which cost money and sick employees, which in turn also cost money.

And if you wait a bit more even new rules , that cost even more money and freedom. So it will only take longer .

 

[Saruhashi]

Because people travel all over the country? Who says they have desk jobs? And they have more freedom , as other parts in the country they need to wear masks.

But that’s not the point , if you have flu like symptoms, you stay home / work home and get tested. And that’s not what happens.

Instead of doing your part in reducing spread , there is a significant part that says those rules don’t apply, so if you look at it this way , they help the isolation of elderly and because the virus keeps circulating, we get hospitalized people which cost money and sick employees.

So it will only take longer .

If the argument is "people travel all over the country" then why isn't the number of cases and deaths equalized across the country?

Why do some areas not only have a smaller gross number of infections and deaths but also a smaller relative rate of infection and death?
(Again, this was researched within minutes.)

At this point I would question why exactly you are arguing for EVERYONE to be subject to the same level of restriction when different regions of the country clearly have different levels of risk? Plus people clearly are not just spreading the virus around evenly so there must be some kind of acknowledgement that certain areas are low risk while others are high.

That all seems like common sense.
Yet fear mongers like yourself are like "noooooooo everyone must stay under the same restrictions, think about the elderly!".
Why?

Why would the rules apply absolutely in all areas and at all times?
There is no logic to that.

Clearly the most sensible course of action is to work harder to keep the cities under control while allowing the rural areas to have some more freedom?

 

[sinnergy]

Good thing we have governments making the rules !

 

[Aggelos]

Has anyone watched this? Plandemic Indoctornation

Plandemic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Plandemic (a portmanteau of "plan" + "pandemic") is a pair of conspiracy theory videos, the first posted to several social media platforms, on May 4, 2020, and the longer one posted August 18, 2020. Both promote falsehoods and misinformation about the COVID-19 pandemic.
The films were produced by Mikki Willis's California-based production company Elevate. Willis has produced other conspiracist videos in the past. The videos feature Judy Mikovits.
The first video spread virally on social media, garnering millions of views, making it one of the most widespread pieces of COVID-19 misinformation. The video was removed by multiple platforms, including Facebook, YouTube, Vimeo, and Twitter, because of its misleading content and promotion of false medical information. On TikTok, it continued to find popularity via clips excerpted from the full video, part of which were removed by the platform. Because the social media platforms were forewarned, the distribution of the second video was more limited.
The producers of the videos stated that the first one, lasting 26 minutes, is a trailer for a 2020 feature film. However, while the second one picks up on some of the same themes and also features Mikovits, observers noted the most of the "trailer" isn't actually used in the feature-length film.

Spoiler

www.londonreal.link/movie

 

[Saruhashi]

Good thing we have governments making the rules !

We get it you are a hardcore authoritarian who thinks the best course of action is for the government to step in and crack down hard. Anyone questioning the government needs to shut up and its all for our own good.

I am simply proposing a more nuanced approach where maybe we look at the data and make decisions that acknowledge the various trade offs at play here.

Why should an elderly person in a relatively unaffected area be forced to stay indoors as their mental state deteriorates because a major city 100s of miles away had a spike in cases?

"To hell with your mental well being, granny. We're doing it for the greater good."

If there are 2 extremes here then on one side you have the virus deniers who say it doesn't exist. OK. Not a good idea to listen to them.

You are the other extreme. Encourage the government to be authoritarian, unyielding and absolute because its all for the greater good. No consideration of the long term cost or potential downsides. No. Just get daddy government to come in and lock everybody in their homes.

Not that it matters. Most places now have lower numbers of deaths and hospitalizations these days and with increased testing there is more data about the virus than ever before.

People are getting out and about and going to restaurants and shops and ignoring scaremongering clowns like you.

 

[diffusionx]

San Francisco has gyms open for city employees while keeping private ones closed for the filthy peasants.

SF Gym Owners Call Out City For Allowing City-Worker Gyms to Open When They Can't

Indoor gyms that serve San Francisco police officers and other government employees have reopened for workouts for limited numbers of people at a time, and San Francisco gym and fitness studio owners are decrying this as hypocritical when they are forced to remain closed.

sfist.com

It is strange that people still think these closures/lockdowns are about safety or health.

 

[ManaByte]

It is strange that people still think these closures/lockdowns are about safety or health.

Rules for thee

 

[cryptoadam]

The thing with this is that we should be able to track cases associated with large scale events like this just by looking at the numbers.

So if you lived in a country where cases were on the way down and then the George Floyd protests kicked off you should be able to locate the associated spike in numbers. If that can't be done then questions should be asked about why.

I suspect that the reason why is that most people simply do not have symptoms that are serious enough to even consider going to get tested.
So if you attend a protest on September 1st and on September 10th you feel a bit under the weather but not too bad and it clears up in like 3 days then you probably won't bother going to get tested.

Plus who really wants to admit they think they got sick at some event they probably should have known better than to be attending? Sit in the house for a few days and ride it out and then get on with things.

I think the most reliable figures people need to be looking at is the number of deaths, the increase or decrease in the rate of deaths, the number of people being hospitalized, the associated rate of increase or decrease for hospitalizations.

Well I don't live in Belarus but looking at their numbers they have like 700 deaths and 70K cases. They never closed down, had a giant festival. Their President is Bolsaranaro x 10 in regards to COVID. All these protests are to get rid of the guy. They have been protesting by the 10's of thousands for a month now.

They are like Sweden but according to the numbers they did even better than Sweden.

 

[CloudNull]

I am fed up of people who just keep going to work when displaying all symptoms and infecting otherS that could die. Selfish idiots .

How about we let people with weak immune systems stay home and the rest continue with their life? Sounds like the better option. The world shouldn’t stop for the weak.

 

[lukilladog]

no one is saying those people didnt die

but covid is under control now. hospitals are doing fine. its only those people who are high risk that should have to stay home or wear a mask when they go out, not the rest of us. the masks are coming off soon, whether you like it or not. and its up to you to protect yourself, not me

Tons of people who are high risk don´t live alone, and lots of people don´t even know they are high risk. Measures need to be enforced for everybody whether you like it or not.

Ps.- Most of the people I mentioned had people in their house who also tested positive, this thing is very contagious.
Ps2.- And this idea that its up to you to protect yourself seems to ignore that states are given police power to protect public health as they see fit.

 

[Belgorim]

Well I don't live in Belarus but looking at their numbers they have like 700 deaths and 70K cases. They never closed down, had a giant festival. Their President is Bolsaranaro x 10 in regards to COVID. All these protests are to get rid of the guy. They have been protesting by the 10's of thousands for a month now.

They are like Sweden but according to the numbers they did even better than Sweden.

Numbers between countries will be extremely hard to compare. It depends for one on the demographics of the country but also on testing capacity and the way you report your deaths.

Belarus should do a lot better than Sweden though since their population does not have as many old people and those are the ones affected.

Sort of the reason Africa should not even worry about this virus, they have a lot more pressing problems in most regions of the continent.

 

[Saruhashi]

Tons of people who are high risk don´t live alone, and lots of people don´t even know they are high risk. Measures need to be enforced for everybody whether you like it or not.

I don't disagree that measures need to be implemented and enforced but there has to be some kind of give and take surely?

There seems to be a big problem here with people that don't seem to understand that there are associated risks with enforcing lockdowns, mask wearing etc and those people seem to not want to hear it.

For them it's a simple equation. Someone might die from Covid and if we need to take away your job, restrict freedom and negatively impact mental health then that's just too bad.
It's easy for folks to say "hurr durr, just stay indoors, it's easy" but there are going to be other risks and problems.

A good question, I think, would be what level of quality of life is acceptable to save lives?
Obviously we are not quite at a level of crisis yet but people have literally had to give up their jobs and their livelihoods to "save lives" and I wonder how far this would be pushed before it becomes unacceptable.

If you neighbor loses his job and spirals into depression and anxiety and then commits suicide then how do we measure that against the lives he "saved" through that sacrifice?
Would it even need to go as far as suicide?
If we break a man financially through our enforcement of measures how do we quantify it?
Do we compensate or do we just leave him to it with a "man up, find another job mate".

It's easy for us to become flippant when asking others to sacrifice.
Ah, you've lost your job mate and you are on the brink of despair but at least you ain't dead! It's not helpful.
Even from a personal point of view how much would you be willing to let someone else sacrifice to save your life?

On the other hand of course why should vulnerable people face the risk of Covid without society chipping in to help them out?
That's not exactly fair and is quite callous if you think about it.
"You'll be dead soon anyway so why bother!"
Then again, the climate change people kind of do make that same point don't they?

Yes, we need to save lives now but shouldn't we also have an eye on making sure we don't destroy the future?

 

[lukilladog]

I don't disagree that measures need to be implemented and enforced but there has to be some kind of give and take surely?

There seems to be a big problem here with people that don't seem to understand that there are associated risks with enforcing lockdowns, mask wearing etc and those people seem to not want to hear it.

For them it's a simple equation. Someone might die from Covid and if we need to take away your job, restrict freedom and negatively impact mental health then that's just too bad.
It's easy for folks to say "hurr durr, just stay indoors, it's easy" but there are going to be other risks and problems.

A good question, I think, would be what level of quality of life is acceptable to save lives?
Obviously we are not quite at a level of crisis yet but people have literally had to give up their jobs and their livelihoods to "save lives" and I wonder how far this would be pushed before it becomes unacceptable.

If you neighbor loses his job and spirals into depression and anxiety and then commits suicide then how do we measure that against the lives he "saved" through that sacrifice?
Would it even need to go as far as suicide?
If we break a man financially through our enforcement of measures how do we quantify it?
Do we compensate or do we just leave him to it with a "man up, find another job mate".

It's easy for us to become flippant when asking others to sacrifice.
Ah, you've lost your job mate and you are on the brink of despair but at least you ain't dead! It's not helpful.
Even from a personal point of view how much would you be willing to let someone else sacrifice to save your life?

On the other hand of course why should vulnerable people face the risk of Covid without society chipping in to help them out?
That's not exactly fair and is quite callous if you think about it.
"You'll be dead soon anyway so why bother!"
Then again, the climate change people kind of do make that same point don't they?

Yes, we need to save lives now but shouldn't we also have an eye on making sure we don't destroy the future?

Oh yeah, people will lose jobs and some of them will kill themselves leaving their families abandoned, but the pandemic can produce the same tragedy on a much larger scale, decisions need to be taken when family provider bodies start to pile up by the thousands.

 

[diffusionx]

It's easy for us to become flippant when asking others to sacrifice.
Ah, you've lost your job mate and you are on the brink of despair but at least you ain't dead! It's not helpful.
Even from a personal point of view how much would you be willing to let someone else sacrifice to save your life?

This is what bothers me about the moralizing, so much of it comes from blue checkmarks on twitter that saw these lockdowns as cute, a time to start baking or whatever. They didn't lose their jobs and they can pay their bills. In fact it might have even helped them in some ways. So easy to tell other people to just suck it up when you're not sacrificing much of anything. Especially when that lack of sacrifice is paired with grandstanding about much of a caring person you are and how everyone needs to be more like you.

Oh yeah, people will lose jobs and some of them will kill themselves leaving their families abandoned, but the pandemic can produce the same tragedy on a much larger scale, decisions need to be taken when family provider bodies start to pile up by the thousands.

You have the wrong pandemic. The data is clear on this, family providers are not dying.

 

[lukilladog]

This is what bothers me about the moralizing, so much of it comes from blue checkmarks on twitter that saw these lockdowns as cute, a time to start baking or whatever. They didn't lose their jobs, they can pay their bills, so on and so forth.



You have the wrong pandemic. The data is clear on this, family providers are not dying.

Where I live it is killing lots of men around 40, maybe you were quicker on implementing measures and tracing positives. Public testing and tracing has been extremely poor here.

 

[cryptoadam]

Vitamin D again.









Take the D bitches

 

[diffusionx]

Where I live it is killing lots of men around 40, maybe you were quicker on implementing measures and tracing positives. Public testing and tracing has been extremely poor here.

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Tabulated data on provisional COVID-19 deaths by age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, and comorbidities. Also includes an index of state-level and county-level mortality data available for download.

www.cdc.gov

It's very clear. 96% of deaths are over 45. 80% are over 65, past provider age. And virtually all cases under 45 are due to some pre-existing condition, usually obesity. I know nothing about where you live, or what's going on there, but this is what the data is saying.

 

[cryptoadam]

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Tabulated data on provisional COVID-19 deaths by age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, and comorbidities. Also includes an index of state-level and county-level mortality data available for download.

www.cdc.gov

It's very clear. 96% of deaths are over 45. 80% are over 65, past provider age. And virtually all cases under 45 are due to some pre-existing condition, usually obesity. I know nothing about where you live, or what's going on there, but this is what the data is saying.

I don't know if there is a country that has a less than 80% of deaths under 65.

And pretty much everywhere its 90-99% with 1 or more underlying conditions.

 

[WoJ]

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Tabulated data on provisional COVID-19 deaths by age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, and comorbidities. Also includes an index of state-level and county-level mortality data available for download.

www.cdc.gov

It's very clear. 96% of deaths are over 45. 80% are over 65, past provider age. And virtually all cases under 45 are due to some pre-existing condition, usually obesity. I know nothing about where you live, or what's going on there, but this is what the data is saying.

Facts and data don't matter unless it helps push the right narrative. Better wear your magikal mask and lock down forever. COVID is worse than the black plague and we are all doomed unless Lord Fauci saves us with his vaccine and approval of BLM riots.

 

[lukilladog]

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Tabulated data on provisional COVID-19 deaths by age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, and comorbidities. Also includes an index of state-level and county-level mortality data available for download.

www.cdc.gov

It's very clear. 96% of deaths are over 45. 80% are over 65, past provider age. And virtually all cases under 45 are due to some pre-existing condition, usually obesity. I know nothing about where you live, or what's going on there, but this is what the data is saying.

That is over 30k between 25 and 64 years old, might not seem like much but is it not true that you only need to increase the contagious rate ever so slightly for those numbers to grow exponentially?.

 

[prag16]

decisions need to be taken when family provider bodies start to pile up by the thousands.

Except that's not what's happening on any appreciable scale. The average and median age of death is above the life expectancy in every country I've seen data for. Under 50 has by and large barely been impacted. I know you are an authorian Marxist bootlicker but at least try to get a tiny bit of perspective.

 

[prag16]

That is over 30k between 25 and 64 years old, might not seem like much but is it not true that you only need to increase the contagious rate ever so slightly for those numbers to grow exponentially?.

Perspective. That's in the range of how many people die in car accidents in the US each year. We haven't banned driving.

 

[diffusionx]

That is over 30k between 25 and 64 years old, might not seem like much but is it not true that you only need to increase the contagious rate ever so slightly for those numbers to grow exponentially?.

Saying there are 30k between 25-64 when 21k of those are between 55-64 is highly manipulative and disingenuous.

 

[Kev Kev]

this idea that its up to you to protect yourself

lol

i dunno what to say man. i think we just disagree on that point alone. law enforcement is great, not sure why youre bringing that into the argument.

i guess ill just have to keep repeating myself: if your high risk, stay home. if youre not sure and youre scared, stay home. the rest of us will be going back to normal soon and you theres nothing you can do to stop us. cities and corporations arent going to be able to kick out the overwhelming majority because of the minority, nor would they be willing to do that.

EDIT: i edited this like crazy so if the poster responds they may have missed some of this...

 

[ManaByte]

Tokyo Olympics To Be Held “With Or Without Covid” In 2021, International Olympic Committee Says

John Coates, the Vice President of the IOC, announced Monday that the postponed Tokyo 2020 Olympics will happen in 2021.

deadline.com

 

[lukilladog]

Perspective. That's in the range of how many people die in car accidents in the US each year. We haven't banned driving.

You have banned the ways of driving that imply the higher threat to public safety.

Saying there are 30k between 25-64 when 21k of those are between 55-64 is highly manipulative and disingenuous.

Is that a yes or a no.

 

[DeepBreath87]

You have banned the ways of driving that imply the higher threat to public safety.



Is that a yes or a no.

That’s a no. And the question is stupid.

Since we’re arbitrarily choosing age ranges, I’ll decide that there are 9k deaths from 25-55. That way I can decide it’s not that big of a deal, if this is the game we are playing.

 

[lukilladog]

Tokyo Olympics To Be Held “With Or Without Covid” In 2021, International Olympic Committee Says

John Coates, the Vice President of the IOC, announced Monday that the postponed Tokyo 2020 Olympics will happen in 2021.

deadline.com

Hopefully they will be testing everybody every 5 days, it is gonna be pricey.

 

[Birgitte2004-2]

That is over 30k between 25 and 64 years old, might not seem like much but is it not true that you only need to increase the contagious rate ever so slightly for those numbers to grow exponentially?.

I think places like Sweden, Belarus, Italy, and New York/New Jersey have shown that the numbers will not grow "exponentially" even if you just let the virus run wild.

Which is a big part of the problem, initially everyone thought like you do, and our entire response was built around this completely false fear-mongering.

 

[12Goblins]

New Study: Vitamin D reduces risk of ICU admission 97%

Here’s the study: Castillo, Marta Entrenas, et al. “Effect of Calcifediol Treatment and best Available Therapy versus best Available Therapy on Intensive Care Unit Admission and Mortali…

covid.us.org

 

[lukilladog]

I think places like Sweden, Belarus, Italy, and New York/New Jersey have shown that the numbers will not grow "exponentially" even if you just let the virus run wild.

Which is a big part of the problem, initially everyone thought like you do, and our entire response was built around this completely false fear-mongering.

For the virus to run wild it would mean no contact tracing at all, so I´m not sure it happened in those places, they are very resourceful.

 

[cryptoadam]

New Study: Vitamin D reduces risk of ICU admission 97%

Here’s the study: Castillo, Marta Entrenas, et al. “Effect of Calcifediol Treatment and best Available Therapy versus best Available Therapy on Intensive Care Unit Admission and Mortali…

covid.us.org

Dr. Campbell is doing back flips right now.

The guy has been talking about Vitamin D since like April.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

I don´t care what you deniers say, cousin of mine died last week to this, neighbor side of my house previous month, neighbor of my father 15 days ago, owner of a grocery store 2 blocks away died 2 month ago. 1 neighbor of my sister also died, and some family from her friends also died. It´s just like the epidemiologists predicted.

Who's denying it exists at all? Personally I don't know anyone who's even caught it, nevermind died from it, does my anecdotal evidence prove it DOESN'T exist? Did everyone you know DEFINITELY die of it? How old were they? Were any below the age of 60? Did they obey the mask rules and so forth? I've also got a friends group online that spans the whole country, no one knows anyone who died of it. If anecdotal evidence ruled I'd certainly be thinking of this differently.

 

[LaughingStock]

My coworker and her husband caught the covid. She's devastated. They barely left their apartment during therse months. They did everything righ to avoid it but got it anyway.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

My coworker and her husband caught the covid. She's devastated. They barely left their apartment during therse months. They did everything righ to avoid it but got it anyway.

Most the things they're telling us to do are more symbolic than practical is the thing. New studies show Vitamin D supplements can really help, though.

 

[Chaplain]

"The launch of SpectatorTV. Andrew Neil hosts The Week in 60 Minutes and is joined by Fraser Nelson, James Forsyth and Katy Balls, alongside Carl Heneghan - professor in Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford." (9/7/20)

Covid in Europe is discussed in the first segment of the program.

 

[lukilladog]

Who's denying it exists at all? Personally I don't know anyone who's even caught it, nevermind died from it, does my anecdotal evidence prove it DOESN'T exist? Did everyone you know DEFINITELY die of it? How old were they? Were any below the age of 60? Did they obey the mask rules and so forth? I've also got a friends group online that spans the whole country, no one knows anyone who died of it. If anecdotal evidence ruled I'd certainly be thinking of this differently.

Plenty of people on this forum are denying what the actual experts have to say about it... for example a couple of Canadians here imply that they are not seeing nor predict much of an issue while Canadian health aouthorities have declared it to be a high risk situation. As for those questions, I don´t know if they were using masks regularly or not, or how healthy they were (they all were living a normal life though)... as for their ages, the man living side of my house was touching 70 I think, the grocery owner was on his 60´s, but the friend and neighbor of my sister and our cousin were on their early or mid 40´s. And If you want to call it anecdotes that is fine, but one thing is for sure, they all had horrible deaths, suffered severe respiratory problems for at least a week, and returned home in the form of ashes within a little box.

 

[diffusionx]

My coworker and her husband caught the covid. She's devastated. They barely left their apartment during therse months. They did everything righ to avoid it but got it anyway.

There's no way to avoid it for the long-term, and certainly not by wearing a 5 cent piece of cloth on your face. It's a contagious virus. Nobody wants to get the flu, but every year millions of people get it.

 

[carlosrox]

 

[Joe T.]

Plenty of people on this forum are denying what the actual experts have to say about it...

Do you understand why?

for example a couple of Canadians here imply that they are not seeing nor predict much of an issue while Canadian health aouthorities have declared it to be a high risk situation.

Independent thought scares some people, so does the slightest amount of skepticism apparently (see a lot of that in political discussions). Canadian leaders and health authorities have made plenty of questionable decisions, they don't get a free pass because of their positions.

Keep in mind, not everyone lives in a big city, not everyone interacts with dozens/hundreds of people a day, not everyone is a selfish slob that coughs and sneezes in everyone else's face or into their hands before touching everything in sight. Not to imply that describes you, but not everyone thinks the same way you do and that's a good thing as I'm no fan of the Borg.

 

[Grinchy]

Will vitamin D supplements become the new toilet paper of hoarded items?

I have a 100 capsule bottle I've been taking one a day from lately.