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ManaByte said:
Nah, it's controversial because Trump talked about it. If Obama had, people would be lining up to take it.
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That's your own obsession of seeing everything through the US politics prism talking. I said it before and I'll say it again, but we have that same discussion in Europe where nobody gives a shit about Trump or Obama right now. It actually started weeks before Trump started mentioning it.
 
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Trump is usually right.. you just need to filter it through what he means to be saying vs usually what comes out.



I DO think there is benefit in unity and staying united at a time like this especially. IF he keeps up being feisty AND people start really dying (Unlikely hopefully), then the press will go wild and the image in everyones mind will be that he cares more about himself and getting elected than the people. This really doesn't seem true if you watch the WHOLE press conferences, but I doubt most people do, so they only get the manipulatively edited soundbites.
 
Captain Zyrain said:
Trump is usually right.. you just need to filter it through what he means to be saying vs usually what comes out.

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He is not right about absolute authority.

We do want a "coordinated effort." That's not rocket science.

Could he not have just said. "We are closely working with our governors to fashion a reopening that keeps the public safe, protects our healthcare system, and allows the economy to put people back to work. I applaud the governors for taking the initiative of coordinating with other states in their region as this will only facilitate the coordination efforts. Thank you."

That's all he had to say.
 
Piku_Ringo said:
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China-Owned Smithfield Foods Shutting Down Major Meat Plant › American Greatness

Smithfield Foods, the world’s largest processor of pork and other meat products, closed down one of its plants in South Dakota, while also issuing a warning that the U.S. may be on the verge of a…
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That's pretty wild. So they stopped shipping meat products to USA stores and started to ship them only to China in November. That sounds like China knew something was going to happen. But that company back NOW Trump! Errr.. well, anyone who can. But it back for the USA!
 
Fun Fanboy said:
That's pretty wild. So they stopped shipping meat products to USA stores and started to ship them only to China in November. That sounds like China knew something was going to happen. But that company back NOW Trump! Errr.. well, anyone who can. But it back for the USA!
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www.reuters.com

At Smithfield Foods' slaughterhouse, China brings home U.S. bacon

Smithfield Foods' slaughterhouse in Virginia used to carve up pork for American sandwiches and holiday dinners. But workers now box up pig carcasses to ship to China, according to employees, local officials and industry sources.
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The outbreak of African swine fever has killed up to half of China's hog herd since August 2018 and pushed prices so high that Chinese importers are willing to pay hefty tariffs that Beijing imposed on U.S. pork as part of the countries' bruising trade war.

U.S. pork producers say China's losses from the disease have created a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for sales.
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So.. I dunno, likely not due to foreknowledge of Coronavirus, of course anything is possible.. but I'd say this was a coincidence.
 
Captain Zyrain said:


That seems to be the smallest in a while, finally getting under 3K, but still a ways from triple or double digit increases it seems.
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Yeah but still over 600 dead and iver 100k active cases that can result in another 20k deaths.

To me the new case numbers mean very little as those can be 100 times more due to asymptomatic people who dont know so they dont get tested and who can infect the weaker ones.

As long as the deaths are high there is no reason to ease up.
 
ManaByte said:
Yes disturbing how the corporate media in the pocket of the CCP can be allowed to lie and rewrite history and the have their lies shoved in their faces on national television. Poor babies.
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I don't really keep up on politics (and much less the media), but can you explain why you (and others) say that CNN and the like are in the pocket of the CCP? Just curious to know if it's only because they are anti-Trump and the CCP is too or if there's any tangible proof/links between CNN and other popular media outlets and the CCP (funding etc.). Thanks.
 
Loki said:
I don't really keep up on politics (and much less the media), but can you explain why you (and others) say that CNN and the like are in the pocket of the CCP? Just curious to know if it's only because they are anti-Trump and the CCP is too or if there's any tangible proof/links between CNN and other popular media outlets and the CCP (funding etc.). Thanks.
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freebeacon.com

Chinese Propaganda Video Cites CNN, Democratic Politicians to Push Regime Narrative

China’s state-run propaganda outlets are using coronavirus coverage by U.S. media and Democrat politicians to push the regime narrative that it bears no responsibility for the ongoing pandemic and that sourcing the origin of the virus to Wuhan is purely political.
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Jtibh said:
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Chinese Propaganda Video Cites CNN, Democratic Politicians to Push Regime Narrative

China’s state-run propaganda outlets are using coronavirus coverage by U.S. media and Democrat politicians to push the regime narrative that it bears no responsibility for the ongoing pandemic and that sourcing the origin of the virus to Wuhan is purely political.
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That article only seems to state that the CCP is using reports from some of these media outlets to support its anti-Trump, anti-US messaging. That's not really what I was asking about. Of course if, say, CNN is anti-Trump and the CCP is too, they will at times be able to use CNN's content to support their ideological stance. I was more looking for tangible links.
 
Loki said:
That article only seems to state that the CCP is using reports from some of these media outlets to support its anti-Trump, anti-US messaging. That's not really what I was asking about. Of course if, say, CNN is anti-Trump and the CCP is too, they will at times be able to use CNN's content to support their ideological stance. I was more looking for tangible links.
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CNN's Harwood calls Trump 'authoritarian' for questioning media outlet tied to China's government

CNN reporter John Harwood suggested on Tuesday that President Trump showed authoritarian tendencies for questioning the legitimacy of a reporter who peppered him with questions about his cooperation with China.
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Look we can go very deep how cnn is a chinese puppet and why.

Maybe someone else can help out here and give you some answers?
 
Loki said:
That article only seems to state that the CCP is using reports from some of these media outlets to support its anti-Trump, anti-US messaging. That's not really what I was asking about. Of course if, say, CNN is anti-Trump and the CCP is too, they will at times be able to use CNN's content to support their ideological stance. I was more looking for tangible links.
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Hi I'm, like, totally a low-information viewer and therefore am the target audience for media propaganda but could you, like, spoonfeed me all the answers and convince me. My skepticism is, like, totally genuine and earnest.
 
Jtibh said:
Yeah but still over 600 dead and iver 100k active cases that can result in another 20k deaths.

To me the new case numbers mean very little as those can be 100 times more due to asymptomatic people who dont know so they dont get tested and who can infect the weaker ones.

As long as the deaths are high there is no reason to ease up.
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Deaths will always be lagging, so we'll likely still see some deaths once the new case # per day has dried up almost completely. That being said, less NEW cases coming in every day means more room & resources in hospitals.

If asymptomatic people are continuing to spread it at a rapid rate, we should continue to see a high confirmed case #.
 
Jtibh said:
freebeacon.com

Chinese Propaganda Video Cites CNN, Democratic Politicians to Push Regime Narrative

China’s state-run propaganda outlets are using coronavirus coverage by U.S. media and Democrat politicians to push the regime narrative that it bears no responsibility for the ongoing pandemic and that sourcing the origin of the virus to Wuhan is purely political.
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This is the same level of logic that the crazy progressives use: Trump wants to close the borders but so does the Klan! So Trump=Klan member
 
Captain Zyrain said:
IF he keeps up being feisty AND people start really dying (Unlikely hopefully),
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People are already dying. Trump simply rejects responsibility for the botched response to this crisis.
But since he is the president and this is a crisis affecting the entire country, the famous buck stops right at his desk. No one else to blame.

I don't know how Trump could possibly be right here.
A pandemic is the very definition of a problem that requires collective action and preparedness, in this case, is just as much a federal obligation as it is a state-one.
On the one side, his administration fucked up the response to this crisis so far and he doesn't want to admit that.
On the other side, he is flipping out over states claiming that he doesn't have a say in when they open back up.


At the end of the day, there will be several metrics of comparison between countries. Infection numbers, death tolls and economic fall-out mainly. They will tell a clear story about how well the respective administrations handled the problem.

Maybe some Trump voters will believe him when he pulls out some scapegoat and rejects any responsibility, but the world will know that this disaster in the US is on him.




There are many federally organized countries in the world. I don't know about a single one other than the US where the federal government rejected responsibility while at the same time trying to tell states what to do and make demands.

Whatever pandemic response plan was in place, they scratched it and now make it up as they go and the result is terrible.
 
DunDunDunpachi said:
Hi I'm, like, totally a low-information viewer and therefore am the target audience for media propaganda but could you, like, spoonfeed me all the answers and convince me. My skepticism is, like, totally genuine and earnest.
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You know, you really shouldn't impute motives to people who are just asking honest questions. It's bad form. Calling me the "target audience" for propaganda is risible, btw - I'm more critical and analytic about the information I take in than just about anyone.
 
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Captain Zyrain said:
Deaths will always be lagging, so we'll likely still see some deaths once the new case # per day has dried up almost completely. That being said, less NEW cases coming in every day means more room & resources in hospitals.

If asymptomatic people are continuing to spread it at a rapid rate, we should continue to see a high confirmed case #.
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This is just me but i am already prepping for the second wave.

With schools opening next month in several europen countries and lockdowns getting lifted we should see a hard comeback by october.

So yes numbers are dropping and new admitions are dropping but i get the feeling to a lot a of people this only means its over.

Call me paranoid alex jones puppet but i am expecting the worst still to come. And not just from the virus. From economy to total population controll such as mandatory chips for all and phone apps passport apps like in china where the phone will tell you if you are in an infected zone or not and will limit your mobility.

This was just a taste and i feel the goverment likes it too much this mass controll .
 
Raven117 said:
I applaud the governors for taking the initiative of coordinating with other states in their region as this will only facilitate the coordination efforts. Thank you."

That's all he had to say.
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Why the fuck would you praise governors for attempting to violate the constitution?

Constitution Article I, Section 10, Clause 3
No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
 
ManaByte said:
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This CNN report is accurate and reflects the European sentiment.

We would prefer a liberal US as a partner in the world, but since the US is abandoning the liberal alliance, the EU will look for partners elsewhere.
China certainly isn't a preferred choice, but you can't afford to choose who's help you accept during a pandemic.

Currently, China is a much more reliable partner than the US because they act rationally. The US doesn't which makes meaningful cooperation impossible.

This isn't news, though. The US has rapidly lost its global standing over the past 3 years. The work of more than half a century has been undone in not even a single term.

But this shouldn't come as a surprise. It was Trump's outspoken goal.
 
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PrellboGark said:
This CNN report is accurate and reflects the European sentiment.

We would prefer a liberal US as a partner in the world, but since the US is abandoning the liberal alliance, the EU will look for partners elsewhere.
China certainly isn't a preferred choice, but you can't afford to choose who's help you accept during a pandemic.

Currently, China is a much more reliable partner than the US because they act rationally. The US doesn't which makes meaningful cooperation impossible.

This isn't news, though. The US has rapidly lost its global standing over the past 3 years. The work of more than half a century has been undone in not even a single term.

But this shouldn't come as a surprise. It was Trump's outspoken goal.
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You are not welcome here. Booooooooooo
 
ManaByte said:
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I understand your point but CNN is anti-Trump and pro-globalism on an ideological level so they have other reasons to put out a story like this other than actively being the voice of the CCP in America. They spout their politics at whatever chance they get, and take swipes at Trump whenever they can. Its the flip side of the coin of what Fox News does a lot of the times as well. I am not saying that this is a good thing, but its quite a bit different from actively and knowingly pushing the propaganda of a hostile government.

One is just being a dumb partisan and contrarian, the other is treasonous.
 
ManaByte said:
Ok, now we know this is just a troll account.
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If you think this is something only a troll would say I really recommend leaving your bubble from time to time, because that sentiment is widespread across Europe and the world.

"America First", attacking NATO, leaving the Paris Agreement, warming up to autocrats and constantly working against the intentions of international institutions signalled to allies that this western liberal era we've lived in since WW2 has come to an end.

With the exception of the nationalist fringe in Europe(10-20% of voters depending on the country), Trump is universally hated here.


China is using this situation obviously. The US losing influence leaves room for China to step in and gain that influence.
 
DeepEnigma said:
This must be the "environmental racism" AOC was newspeaking about.
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So she is saying that if we report about black people doing this its racist but if it would a bunch of crackers it would be mass genocide towards the world white folks are known for ?
 
PrellboGark said:
If you think this is something only a troll would say I really recommend leaving your bubble from time to time, because that sentiment is widespread across Europe and the world.

"America First", attacking NATO, leaving the Paris Agreement, warming up to autocrats and constantly working against the intentions of international institutions signalled to allies that this western liberal era we've lived in since WW2 has come to an end.

With the exception of the nationalist fringe in Europe(10-20% of voters depending on the country), Trump is universally hated here.


China is using this situation obviously. The US losing influence leaves room for China to step in and gain that influence.
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I think you typed in the wrong url and wanted to log into era but landed on gaf.
Might check it.
 
cryptoadam said:
Ready for the Coroavirus cinematic universe? Corona Chan could have 6 sequels planned.

www.jpost.com

Scientists discover 6 new types of coronavirus in bats

“We need to be building the wildlife resources and the capacity to do wildlife testing and wildlife surveillance ahead of the curve.”
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Dude, that ain't nothing.

www.latimes.com

Trump administration ended pandemic early-warning program to detect coronaviruses

The program had worked with labs in Wuhan, China, and around the world to detect deadly viruses that could jump from animals to humans.
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Remember that pandemic response team? They identified more than 160 Coronaviruses that they claimed had the potential to erupt into a pandemic.

I honestly think that just goes to show why so many medical professionals just did not expect *this one* to explode like it did. The overwhelming norm is for these things to be discovered and *not* spread across the globe.
 
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Jtibh said:
So she is saying that if we report about black people doing this its racist but if it would a bunch of crackers it would be mass genocide towards the world white folks are known for ?
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She is claiming corona is impacting people of color more due to "environmental racism" (newspeak, comrades).

Yet every single time, I see news articles of these block parties and videos of "fuck corona virus" with 50-100+ people wylin' the fuck out.
 
Loki said:
You know, you really shouldn't impute motives to people who are just asking honest questions. It's bad form. Calling me the "target audience" for propaganda is risible, btw - I'm a more critical and analytic about the information I take in than just about anyone.
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I'm paraphrasing your own admission ("I don't really keep up on politics (and much less the media)")

The mainstream media is already aimed at low-information viewers such as yourself, but if you're too lazy to even use that, how do you expect anonymous posts on a videogame forum to bring you up to speed?

Clearly your failure to invest effort into seeking out this information is to blame. Puffing out your chest about how skeptical you are is empty bluster.
 
Raven117 said:
He is not right about absolute authority.

We do want a "coordinated effort." That's not rocket science.

Could he not have just said. "We are closely working with our governors to fashion a reopening that keeps the public safe, protects our healthcare system, and allows the economy to put people back to work. I applaud the governors for taking the initiative of coordinating with other states in their region as this will only facilitate the coordination efforts. Thank you."

That's all he had to say.
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Yes, yes, you and many others want Trump to be a "normal" president. I get it, but that's not why he got elected, so it's not realistic to expect him to turn into a "presidential" PR mouthpiece.
 
DeepEnigma said:
She is claiming corona is impacting people of color more due to "environmental racism" (newspeak, comrades).

Yet every single time, I see news articles of these block parties and videos of "fuck corona virus" with 50-100+ people wylin' the fuck out.
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Wow.

I never heard the term environmental racism.

I just dont get it.

The shit she comes up with to stay relevant
 
Jtibh said:
So she is saying that if we report about black people doing this its racist but if it would a bunch of crackers it would be mass genocide towards the world white folks are known for ?
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This isn't a race issue.
Whether it is black people at the cookout or white people in the church, they're all idiots.

The same nonsense started in Germany when Italy's cases started to skyrocket and some people in Germany were disparagingly blaming Italian "culture and mentality" for the quick spread.


Jtibh said:
I think you typed in the wrong url and wanted to log into era but landed on gaf.
Might check it.
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I think people on Era care even less about perspectives that are not US-centric than people on here.

But seriously.
Trump ran on an anti-globalist platform and took anti-globalist steps.
The result is that global alliances will look for other partners and the void the US leaves is filled by China to an extent.

What part of this do you disagree with?
 
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