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MASSIVE piracy: MPAA, RIAA, ISDA suck on this.

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Man let me tell you all about the rampant piracy around here. The Iraqis get like first run DVDs like the week after they come out in the states (Incerdibles, White Noise, National Treasure, Dave Chappelle full seasons, Nip/Tuck etc). It's not great I wouldn't buy it for home quality but it's excellent if you just want to see the movie and all. Basically the stuff you can pick up at the street corner or barbershop. I mean you can get games, dvd, music what ever you want like 3 for 5 or something like that. It's crazy.

I'm not big into piracy and all but figuring the outlets you have to buy stuff legit are non existant and what these guys are giving up I think you can give them a pass.
 

TAJ

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
For a second, I thought this thread was about piracy of the MASSIVE crowd sim software. I can see how a lot of people wouldn't want to pay $14,000 for a glorified plug-in.
 

DaCocoBrova

Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
You mean the app they used in LotR? lol!

There's MASSIVE piracy running rampant right here in the Nation's Capital.

It's global.
 
DaCocoBrova said:
You mean the app they used in LotR? lol!

There's MASSIVE piracy running rampant right here in the Nation's Capital.

It's global.

Well, I don't find it all that impressive for people to be able to pirate when they have power 24 hours a day and a working fully functional postal system. It's impressive to me that the arab guy that comes into camp and sells bootleg DVD can get first run movies a week after they come out in the states.
 

DaCocoBrova

Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
True. But once you told me that people over there had DirecTV dishes strapped to their cars, nothing seemed impossible.
 
Deg said:
I dont think they even sell the real stuff in Iraq. To them its probably legit.


They don't it's all bootleg once I get my camera I'll post up how the movies are packaged. Like I said for what you get it's not too bad. I mean it works the same for movies and games and stuff.
 

Drexon

Banned
We believe you, in that it's all bootleg, and downloaded via. torrents. :p What he said was that the Iraqis probably think of it as legal. I mean, what are the government gonna focus on? Piracy or the war? :p
 

Doth Togo

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Tommie Hu$tle said:
Man let me tell you all about the rampant piracy around here. The Iraqis get like first run DVDs like the week after they come out in the states (Incerdibles, White Noise, National Treasure, Dave Chappelle full seasons, Nip/Tuck etc). It's not great I wouldn't buy it for home quality but it's excellent if you just want to see the movie and all. Basically the stuff you can pick up at the street corner or barbershop. I mean you can get games, dvd, music what ever you want like 3 for 5 or something like that. It's crazy.

I'm not big into piracy and all but figuring the outlets you have to buy stuff legit are non existant and what these guys are giving up I think you can give them a pass.

Yea, we're well aware that the Middle East loves to bootleg. So does Asia. What you might not know is that the scene you're encountering is run by organized crime groups who sell pirate product overseas (flea markets, malls, street vendors, etc.) and take that money and send it back to their home country (South America, Asia, Russia, the Middle East) and invest the money in more sinister programs (use your imagination).

Iraq sounds like the same way back in the 1980s when I lived in Jiddah. Not much you can do about it if the respective government isn't willing to listen to the issue.
 

Pimpwerx

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Doth Togo said:
Yea, we're well aware that the Middle East loves to bootleg. So does Asia. What you might not know is that the scene you're encountering is run by organized crime groups who sell pirate product overseas (flea markets, malls, street vendors, etc.) and take that money and send it back to their home country (South America, Asia, Russia, the Middle East) and invest the money in more sinister programs (use your imagination).

Iraq sounds like the same way back in the 1980s when I lived in Jiddah. Not much you can do about it if the respective government isn't willing to listen to the issue.
Buying pir8 movies is helping the terrorists. :ultramegarollies: Your pro-industry, anti-underground agenda is pretty weak dude. :lol Seriously, the organized crime bullshit is pretty tired now. The mob aren't the only ones with cable modems and DVD burners...oh, and inkjet printers. And I don't know why there wouldn't be at least a few regular, industrious Iraqis just looking to make a dishonest buck off some bootlegs. Let's end this propoganda. PEACE.
 

Azih

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Finding legit outlets of music/movies/software is really difficult to nearly impossible anywhere outside of North America, Western Europe, Japan, and possibly Hong Kong. Piracy is the standard everywhere else.
 

Forsete

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When my sister was in Russia she bought some games for me, StarCraft, Majesty and Republic .. All looked like legal version of games, but with Russian text, they came in a regular CD case with a front and back box art, plus the CD had a real front as well.

But when I installed StarCraft it kept asking me for me to insert the CD, I later found the CD had a "crack" folder on the CD with the EXE-crack inside. :)

She only paid a few cents for each game though, so nothing lost. ;)
 

Doth Togo

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Pimpwerx said:
Buying pir8 movies is helping the terrorists. :ultramegarollies: Your pro-industry, anti-underground agenda is pretty weak dude. :lol Seriously, the organized crime bullshit is pretty tired now. The mob aren't the only ones with cable modems and DVD burners...oh, and inkjet printers. And I don't know why there wouldn't be at least a few regular, industrious Iraqis just looking to make a dishonest buck off some bootlegs. Let's end this propoganda. PEACE.

Whatever you enjoy telling yourself to get you though the day.
 

Pimpwerx

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Doth Togo said:
Whatever you enjoy telling yourself to get you though the day.
Well, I buy drugs too, so I obviously don't give a shit about funding terrorism.....riiiiiiight. "Sell all your DS's, they only fund terrorism." That should be Sony's new slogan. Make, random, vague links to terrorism to try scaring people off things. Terrorism is the new VD. PEACE.
 

Triumph

Banned
Pimpwerx said:
Well, I buy drugs too, so I obviously don't give a shit about funding terrorism.....riiiiiiight. "Sell all your DS's, they only fund terrorism." That should be Sony's new slogan. Make, random, vague links to terrorism to try scaring people off things. Terrorism is the new VD. PEACE.
I'm George W. Bush, and I approve this message.
 
Doth Togo said:
Yea, we're well aware that the Middle East loves to bootleg. So does Asia. What you might not know is that the scene you're encountering is run by organized crime groups who sell pirate product overseas (flea markets, malls, street vendors, etc.) and take that money and send it back to their home country (South America, Asia, Russia, the Middle East) and invest the money in more sinister programs (use your imagination).

Iraq sounds like the same way back in the 1980s when I lived in Jiddah. Not much you can do about it if the respective government isn't willing to listen to the issue.

This may be true but, the US Military lets the guys come in with the bootlegs every 5 days or so. You want to see a mass riot you tell all these soliders and marines that they have to wait to get back to the states to see these movies, play these games, listen to this music.

Take your pick which is the worse evil bootleged data or military low on moral and then does a fucked up job in the field. Not saying Meet the Fockers is going to win the war but, anything that takes your mind of getting your ass blown off helps.


Of course we can have their lawyers issue cease and desist letter here in Fallujah. I'm sure that heads will roll once they are delivered.
 

COCKLES

being watched
Message to MPAA.

I love movies.

I've rather watch them on the big-screen.

So try (in the UK at least) installing comfortable fucking seats and putting security in the cinemas to weed out gangs of whiney teenagers and other arseholes ruining the movies for other people and I'll be happy to stop downloading and going back into the cinema. A lot of 'regular' seats in UK cinemas are worst then a fucking Easyjet economy flight seat....for £8 quid a movie I expect not to have battle with the person next to me for the right to rest my arm on a rest.
 

MetatronM

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You don't need to go to Iraq to find that. Just go to the Bahamas. You can get pirated DVDs of movie that have just come out IN THEATERS. Sometimes even before their theatrical run.

Hell, you can even find them on street corners in New York.
 

Firest0rm

Member
Doth Togo said:
Whatever you enjoy telling yourself to get you though the day.

Doth not all of them are, when I lived in Jordan they would download the stuff and burn it right infront of my eyes. However they are cracking down on it in Jordan. So they keep the stuff in the background. When I go there I prefer getting legit games and their expensive. So when i bought legit games from there, the guy wouldn't believe it. So he gave me another 3 games for free (Pirated :S) in appreciation. But then again I was good friends with the store owner :D.
 

ShadowRed

Banned
Tommie Hu$tle said:
Man let me tell you all about the rampant piracy around here. The Iraqis get like first run DVDs like the week after they come out in the states (Incerdibles, White Noise, National Treasure, Dave Chappelle full seasons, Nip/Tuck etc). It's not great I wouldn't buy it for home quality but it's excellent if you just want to see the movie and all. Basically the stuff you can pick up at the street corner or barbershop. I mean you can get games, dvd, music what ever you want like 3 for 5 or something like that. It's crazy.

I'm not big into piracy and all but figuring the outlets you have to buy stuff legit are non existant and what these guys are giving up I think you can give them a pass.




Yeah them Iraqis better watch that piracy shit before they get invaded...Doh!!!!
 
I think you all are missing the point in an attempt to tell me that your city is big on bootlegging, I already know that. What I'm amazed about is the fact that these guys in Iraq away from what I would consider civilization are getting first run stuff. On top of that the US military is willing letting them come into the base and sell these wares. So if bootlegging is the natural evoloution to terrorism then I think the US military is doing a piss poor job in protecting it's ranks.

These guys aren't sneaking in here with bootleg games, DVDs, and music they are coming here with the blessing of the US Military. That is the shock of it to me.
 

impirius

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Four things in life are certain:
1. Death
2. Taxes
3. Piracy supports terrorism
4. Smoking pot kills kids on bicycles
 

Phoenix

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Tommie Hu$tle said:
This may be true but, the US Military lets the guys come in with the bootlegs every 5 days or so. You want to see a mass riot you tell all these soliders and marines that they have to wait to get back to the states to see these movies, play these games, listen to this music.


Seems like a security risk to me to let people into a place that is supposed to be a secured facility. But that's just me.
 
Phoenix said:
Seems like a security risk to me to let people into a place that is supposed to be a secured facility. But that's just me.


There are Iraqis all in this place. They are allowed to certian places they don't have access to everywhere. Your badge denotes your access level. The vendors can only stand outside and pedal their wares.


This is a military base not a facility. To be honest with you they are setting this place up with permenant housing. In 5 years this place will be a regular rotation duty station just like Germany, Japan, and Korea.
 

Phoenix

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Tommie Hu$tle said:
There are Iraqis all in this place. They are allowed to certian places they don't have access to everywhere. Your badge denotes your access level. The vendors can only stand outside and pedal their wares.


This is a military base not a facility. To be honest with you they are setting this place up with permenant housing. In 5 years this place will be a regular rotation duty station just like Germany, Japan, and Korea.


I would expect that most military bases in Iraq would become perm. It just seems very odd that anyone without business on base would actually be allowed ON the base. Given the number of incidents that occur with people being kidnapped, surveil'd, etc. you'd think that access would be more restricted.
 
Phoenix said:
I would expect that most military bases in Iraq would become perm. It just seems very odd that anyone without business on base would actually be allowed ON the base. Given the number of incidents that occur with people being kidnapped, surveil'd, etc. you'd think that access would be more restricted.


Getting on the base and off the base isn't easy. Personally I think it is one step in the right direction. It is one of the few opportunites where Ameicans and Iraqis actually conversate and interact. It's not much but, it is the building blocks.
 

Phoenix

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Tommie Hu$tle said:
Getting on the base and off the base isn't easy. Personally I think it is one step in the right direction. It is one of the few opportunites where Ameicans and Iraqis actually conversate and interact. It's not much but, it is the building blocks.

I think that conversation and interaction is great, but it is an avenue that has been so readily exploited K&A that I'm just surprised that access is granted at all.
 
Phoenix said:
I think that conversation and interaction is great, but it is an avenue that has been so readily exploited K&A that I'm just surprised that access is granted at all.


Yep it is. The outsourcing of jobs that were once done by Soliders, Sailors and Marines requires it. The stretching of the Military goes far beyond the warfighting effort but they don't even have the personnel on hand to cook or clean the bathrooms. The one thing that I don't believe in is having civilians doing jobs that should be handled by military personnel (myself included). I think it is a risk in any event. It's all about that cheaper, faster more mobile force.
 

Nerevar

they call me "Man Gravy".
Tommie Hu$tle said:
Man let me tell you all about the rampant piracy around here. The Iraqis get like first run DVDs like the week after they come out in the states (Incerdibles, White Noise, National Treasure, Dave Chappelle full seasons, Nip/Tuck etc). It's not great I wouldn't buy it for home quality but it's excellent if you just want to see the movie and all. Basically the stuff you can pick up at the street corner or barbershop. I mean you can get games, dvd, music what ever you want like 3 for 5 or something like that. It's crazy.

I'm not big into piracy and all but figuring the outlets you have to buy stuff legit are non existant and what these guys are giving up I think you can give them a pass.

welcome to the third world.

Seriously, when I went to South America (Bolivia and Peru) I was amazed at all the shit they sell on the street corners - and no one gives a damn. I could seriously pick up the entire Beatles collection for about $5 American. Plus they had albums that hadn't even released yet back in the states.
 
Tommie Hu$tle said:
.....On top of that the US military is willing letting them come into the base and sell these wares. .......

These guys aren't sneaking in here with bootleg games, DVDs, and music they are coming here with the blessing of the US Military. That is the shock of it to me.



and yet Doth wants us to belive if we get pulled over for a speeding ticket a cop is going to question us about a CD-R laying on the seat :lol :lol :lol
 

Doth Togo

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http://www.interpol.int/Public/ICPO/speeches/SG20030716.asp

The Interpol General Secretariat is in possession of the following examples of IPC and terrorist financing.

Kosovo

An example similar to the situation in Northern Ireland is in the United Nations-administrated province of Kosovo. A significant proportion of consumer goods, (CDs, DVDs, clothes, shoes, cigarettes and computer software) available for sale, are counterfeit. The sale of counterfeit goods occurs openly and there is limited enforcement against counterfeit products due to significant legal loopholes. In Kosovo, there is a long-standing relationship between criminal organizations and local ethnic-Albanian extremist groups. This relationship is based on family or social ties. It is suspected that funds generated from IPC benefit both criminal organizations and extremist groups."

Hizbullah

Interpol is aware of three cases of IPC-related activity and terrorist funding in South America. These cases involve ethnic-Lebanese who are involved in the remittance of funds to Hizbullah. As in the case of European radical fundamentalist groups funds are thought to be indirectly remitted via organisations associated with Hizbullah. Interpol's information suggests that these persons are involved in the distribution and sale of counterfeit goods, not in the manufacturing or fabrication of counterfeit goods. It is suspected that most counterfeit manufacturing and fabrication is dominated by organized crime. Three examples illustrate this:

Funds generated from IPC may be remitted to Hizbullah using the following modus operandi. Counterfeit goods produced in Europe are sent to a free-trade zone in South America by a group of Lebanese criminals sympathetic to Hizbullah. The goods are then smuggled into a third country, to avoid import duties, where they are sold via a network of sympathizers and militants originating in the Middle East. An unknown amount of the money generated through this activity is suspected to be remitted to Hizbullah.

In February 2000, an individual was arrested for piracy and suspected fundraising for Hizbullah. The individual sold pirated music CDs, Sega, Sony and Nintendo game discs to fund a Hizbullah-related organization. Among the discs recovered were discs containing images and short films of terrorist attacks and interviews with suicide bombers. The discs were allegedly used as propaganda to generate funds for Hizbullah. Interpol is in possession of some of these films. This individual is currently a fugitive.

Another indivdual was arrested for his alleged ties with the Hizbullah in Foz do Iguazú in June 2002 after evading arrest in October 2001. The individual is wanted for tax evasion and the collection and remittance of funds to extremist organizations. Interpol files do not mention involvement in IPC. The alleged IPC connection is stated in open sources. Law enforcement sources indicate that numerous letters from organizations, suspected of being associated with Hizbullah in Lebanon, were found thanking the individual for financial contributions.

Future Evolutions

Based on the following factors it is possible to state that IPC may become a more important source of illicit financing for terrorist groups.

IPC crime is a low priority for law enforcement agencies and investigations are poorly resourced when compared to illicit narcotics or counter-terrorism investigations. There is also a lack of generalised expertise among law enforcement agencies in recognising and investigating counterfeit and pirated goods.

The size of the informal economy and the demand for inexpensive consumer goods means that a wide-range of products are vulnerable to counterfeiting and piracy. The demand for counterfeit or pirated goods is widespread due to perceptions that purchasing these goods is not criminal. There is a large illicit market for persons seeking to engage in low risk criminal activity.

Trafficking in counterfeit goods is a relatively easy criminal activity. A terrorist could make profit solely from the sale of counterfeit or pirated goods and does not need to be involved in the actual production or fabrication. Thus, there are relatively low entry costs and the illicit profit margins are high.

One estimate is that the profits from counterfeiting are similar to drugs trafficking; there is a return of €10 euros for each €1 invested (6).

Other estimates are that counterfeiting is more profitable than drugs trafficking, one kilo of pirated CDs is worth more than one kilo of cannabis resin. The kilo of CDs is worth €3000 and the kilo of cannabis resin is valued at €1000 (7). The same source states that a computer game costs €0.20 to produce and sells at €45 while cannabis costs €1.52 a gram and sells at €12 (8).

In terms of the levels of risk involved, the penalties are low, for example, in France selling counterfeit products is punishable by a two-year prison term and a €150,000 fine, while selling drugs is punishable by a ten-year prison term and a €7,500,000 fine.

It follows that the profit/risk ratio is attractive not only to criminals but also to loosely networked terrorist groups, like Salafi Group for Call and Combat, who do not have the capacity to generate funds through sophisticated criminal activity.

In the case of terrorist groups who resemble organized crime groups counterfeiting is attractive because they can invest at the beginning of the counterfeiting cycle and extract a illicit profit at each stage of the counterfeiting process from production to sale, thus maximising returns.

Other links:

http://eepi.ubib.eur.nl/iliit/archives/000453.html

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000528473

June 10, 2004

Interpol IDs piracy link to funding of terrorism

By Brooks Boliek - Hollywood Reporter
WASHINGTON -- There is new evidence that terrorist organizations around the world are getting at least some of their funding from the sale of illegally copied intellectual property, including pirated DVDs and CDs, according to Interpol and copyright trade groups.

According to an Interpol report prepared for the House Committee on International Relations, intellectual property crimes are a growing resource for terrorist groups from Northern Ireland to the Arab world, including al-Qaida and Hizbullah, and the RIAA has evidence that a pair of illegal CD plants in Pakistan is financed by Dawood Ibrahim, an Indian Muslim the Treasury Department named a "specially designated global terrorist" in October.

"This designation signals our commitment to identifying and attacking the financial ties between the criminal underworld and terrorism," said Juan Zarate, deputy assistant secretary for terrorist financing and financial crimes at the time.

"We are calling on the international community to stop the flow of dirty money that kills. For the Ibrahim syndicate, the business of terrorism forms part of their larger criminal enterprise, which must be dismantled," he said.

Ibrahim has found common cause with al-Qaida, sharing his smuggling routes with the terrorist network and funding attacks by Islamic extremists aimed at destabilizing the Indian government, according to the State Department.

He is wanted in India for the 1993 Bombay Exchange bombings and is known to have financed the activities of Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (Army of the Righteous), a group the United States designated as a foreign terrorist organization in October 2001. The Pakistani government banned the group and froze its assets in January 2002.

While intellectual property theft is not confined to entertainment products, it appears to be a funding source that terrorist groups are willing to exploit. Copyright piracy is estimated to cost U.S. companies $20 billion-$22 billion a year.

"In July 2003 Interpol concluded that the link between organized crime and counterfeit goods was well established and sounded the alarm that (intellectual property crime) was becoming the preferred method of funding for a number of terrorist groups," according to the April 6 report prepared by Interpol Secretary-General Ronald Noble. "Developments since then have reinforced this view, and the following example illustrates how these activities continue to be a cause for concern."

Interpol's report lays out a number of scenarios, but it described one of the operations like this:

"Funds generated from (intellectual property crimes) may be remitted to Hizbullah using the following modus operandi. Counterfeit goods produced in Europe are sent to a free-trade zone in South America by a group of Lebanese criminals sympathetic to Hizbullah. The goods are then smuggled into a third country, to avoid import duties, where they are sold via a network of Palestinians. An unknown amount of the money generated through this activity is suspected to be remitted to Hizbullah."

The Interpol report raised eyebrows Wednesday during a hearing before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee as it examined the impact of international copyright piracy.

While MPAA president and CEO Jack Valenti said his organization had no knowledge that funds generated from pirated movies paid for terrorist operations, he said copyright piracy was an easy way for any criminal organization to make money.

"It's nirvana for criminals," Valenti told the committee Wednesday. "It is a ripe, rich, fat target to deal with. It stands to reason that if it's low-risk, high-return and if you get caught it's a slap on the wrist, then criminals are going to do it."

The terrorist connection is but one of the reasons Washington needs to pressure other states into enacting and enforcing strong anti-piracy laws, executives with the entertainment and software industries told the committee.

Four countries in particular -- China, Brazil, Pakistan and Russia -- account for much of the trade in pirated movies, music, games and software.

RIAA president and CEO Mitch Bainwol suggested that the United States should consider revoking the "Generalized System of Preferences," a special trade status that lowers tariffs on goods for at least some of the countries.

For Russia and Brazil the time for a GSP decision is ripe," he told the panel. "You can treat it with nuance. You can make it whole or in part."

While international copyright piracy is a problem, other copyright barriers are just as troubling, the executives said. China only allows 20 U.S. films to be imported each year, and a recent decision by the government to prevent this summer's releases from being shown in China before the fall exacerbate the problem, Valenti said.

"It's impossible to fight piracy unless there is a legitimate exhibition," he said. "By the time these films get in legitimate theaters there will be millions of illegal copies on the street."

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...and the list goes on and on... Say what you will that video game piracy doens't fund terrorism, but these articles state otherwise.
 

Doth Togo

Member
onion_pixy said:
and yet Doth wants us to belive if we get pulled over for a speeding ticket a cop is going to question us about a CD-R laying on the seat

Just don't get caught in Chicago or LA.
 
Dude, I live in LA. And unfortunatly Ive been pulled over 4 times in the last year. One time didint result in a ticket (headlight out) We can just ignore the fact I (used to) drive waaaay to fast. These cops did not look at ALL interested in any type of media in my vehicle. ANd if asked yes, I would have had quite a few CD-Rs. What, he's gonna arrest me? Or make me prove I have the orignals back home? Or better yet, get an arrest warrant :lol


Oh, I also had my house broken into and a niiiice long chat with two cops for that :( I didint even think to hide any CD-Rs or DVD-Rs I had lying around. Not even a glance from themI also had a modded console stolen. (he wanted to know if any details stood out) He was like "modded, ok switch installed, ok. " Didn't even bat an eye.

Tho the cop and I did argue over Tru Crime Streets of LA being a crap game. :lol

maybe you're right, but lets just say, for all the cops I've seen here they dont seem to give a shit. And yes, you can find pirated warez in many flea markets, street corners etc. Broad daylight. So whatever theyre doing, if anything at all, its not working.
 
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