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Media Create Sales: 01/12 - 01/18
- Thread starter PantherLotus
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I wonder what Fragile's first day will be, I hope it's over 20k. Even if what I feared about the gameplay has been pretty much confirmed I'd still hope it does decently. I wonder if it was even worth changing from what they were originally going for.
frankie_baby
Member
jj984jj said:
can any j-gafers tell us if its getting any marketing or promotion? with enough of a push i could see it easily doing 50k+ first day but if its just slipped quietly out the doorwe could have the next opoona on our hands
Captain Smoker
Member
Zill O'll (PSP) 18000 50%
Fragile (Wii) 16000 45%
Left 4 Dead (X360) 13000
Haruhi (Wii) 8500 30%
http://dubai.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ghard/1232706429/
Fragile (Wii) 16000 45%
Left 4 Dead (X360) 13000
Haruhi (Wii) 8500 30%
http://dubai.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ghard/1232706429/
Cosmonaut X
Member
frankie_baby said:
50K first day? Given the level of marketing and the fact that it's a new trad IP, that was really unlikely.
16k first day is OK-ish, but I would have liked to see it a bit higher. If it gets good word of mouth and sales pick up, a 30k opening week isn't out of the question (though I think something like 25k is more likely).
EDIT: Just noticed the shipment figures for Fragile. Perhaps 30k is out of the question - that would be nearly 100% sellthrough for the opening week...
Cosmonaut X
Member
Spiegel said:
Oh, here we go.
Should we just PM jarrod now, or will we wait for him to arrive so the two of you can carry on your tiresome PSP vs Wii argument in this thread?
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Spiegel said:
Selling 2000 units more and a virtually identical portion of the shipment, yes. ON FIIIIYAHHHHHHHHH
Cosmonaut X said:
JoshuaJSlone, I noticed something when I was looking for the sales of Zill O'll in your database.
http://garaph.info/softwareindividual.php?gameid=2190
http://garaph.info/softwareindividual.php?gameid=2195
Those two are the same game.
Stumpokapow said:
Why so serious?
I was expecting ~20k first week. I'm surprised.
SilverLunar
Member
Selling 16k is better than the 5k the Wii games usually gets
I hope the sales picks up more soon.
I expected more of Haruhi, is it the sim or dancing game??
I hope the sales picks up more soon.
I expected more of Haruhi, is it the sim or dancing game??
Cosmonaut X
Member
Spiegel said:
Sorry for being so harsh, but you've got to admit the way you phrased your observation just makes it look like bait for another round of PSP vs Wii.
Niche genre, stupidly unpromoted, sent to die... you'd think Namco would've learned by now after Sky Crawlers, Namco Carnival and Klonoa.RpgN said:I know, just wanted to mess with you a little
If it sells 50k LTD, while not great, it would be nice. Of course, I would have wanted it to sell more. It's weird how these kind of games don't sell more.
Seriously though, when the jGAFers didn't even realize it was coming out before reading it in Sales-Age, you know there's a problem. :lolSpiegel said:Zero marketing!
Here we go!
I kid, I kid
It really was Sky Crawlers or Let's Tap all over again. Meanwhile the one Namco Wii game that enjoyed heavy advertising (Taiko) looks set to become the best selling 3rd party title on the console (at least until MH3/DQX).
From the sounds of it, development was done with at least a European release in mind. I'm sure we'll get in America too, just like Trusty Bell or Baten Kaitos.RpgN said:I hope they become wise and publish it in the west at least. How else are they going to get some of the investment back? That and I want to play it...
At least there's that, JP made Wii games can actually sell outside Japan. :lol
Captain Smoker
Member
Taiko no Tatsujin Wii - 316.000 (~9.480.000$ profit)RpgN said:I hope they become wise and publish it in the west at least. How else are they going to get some of the investment back? That and I want to play it...
RpgN said:
50k would be more than its 1st shipment, which for most Wii games that bomb they dont get 2nd shipments.
But we already know there was virtually no promotion from people who are shopping in JP, so that is a factor whether people want to admit it or not. You cant buy what you dont know is coming.
but this game struck me as being in the same audience of Fatal Frame, so shouldnt the expectations be around 65-75k on the high end? Add into the fact its a new IP that is getting about 0 promotion
16k?
Less than I hoped, more than I feared.
It's a flop but not a mega-flop.
Honestly after not seeing a single ad/poster/flyer anything for this game (other than internet advertising and game magazines), I was fearing (even expecting) less than 10k (for the week).
So in that way it was good news. But seriously, this is a real effort and it should do much, much better.
I'll probably buy it tomorrow. I actually did forget it came out yesterday.
Fatal Frame actually had some TV ads though. And I actually saw one on primetime TV (only once though, they mostly aired in cheaper timeslots). Cool ads too, they showed people being freaked out by the game. The ad campaign was short and small but unlike Fragile, it at least existed.
Less than I hoped, more than I feared.
It's a flop but not a mega-flop.
Honestly after not seeing a single ad/poster/flyer anything for this game (other than internet advertising and game magazines), I was fearing (even expecting) less than 10k (for the week).
So in that way it was good news. But seriously, this is a real effort and it should do much, much better.
I'll probably buy it tomorrow. I actually did forget it came out yesterday.
markatisu said:
Fatal Frame actually had some TV ads though. And I actually saw one on primetime TV (only once though, they mostly aired in cheaper timeslots). Cool ads too, they showed people being freaked out by the game. The ad campaign was short and small but unlike Fragile, it at least existed.
RpgN
Junior Member
markatisu said:
That's why I said LTD
It didn't have ads but it had a huge userbase to rely on. Donny said it better before about this whole success of some genres on the wii. Will we have to wait for MH3 and DQX untill these games start selling? Is there virtually no audience for these games atm? Surely, isn't the Wii's userbase huge enough to have enough dedicated gamers (who make research) waiting for games like Fragile etc?*confused*
markatisu said:
Maybe the marketing department was reading GAF and believed that no one would buy 3rd party games and just gave up?
But they had pretty much given up on this game before it was even done. At TGS they had only 2 kiosks for this game (compared to the massive blocks of them for Dragonball and Gundam) and the staff running them didn't know a thing about the game. I asked a pretty simple question, "Can you do a quick turn?" They had no idea. They left to go ask someone and that person didn't know either, or any of the other questions I asked about the game.
I enjoyed the game a lot, but even then a feared that it wasn't going to get the love it needed.
RpgN said:That's why I said LTD
Yeah but at the same time just because there is a large userbase does not means things sell just because people exist to buy them.
I mean Vinnk just said it himself, even at trade shows geared towards the people who they expect to buy the game they were pretty much saying it did not exist.
As we all are at the state of 3rd party thinking in Japan
Vinnk said:
35K first shipment, so I guess it's meeting the (equally floppy) expectations of the retailers. Maybe if Namco-Bandai had anted up with some in-store advertising, the retailers would've ordered more, and the game would've sold more. I'm sort of confused as to the reasoning in putting effort into a game and then not really advertising it to give it the best shot to sell. I guess Namco-Bandai probably figured that the increase in advertising cost wouldn't be worth the expected (on their side) marginal increase in sales. Maybe if it does sell out of its initial shipment after next week, Namco-Bandai will opt for some more advertising with subsequent shipments.
The third-party mindset with core titles on the Wii, advertising, and features is pretty confusing, at the moment. :/
Cosmonaut X
Member
markatisu said:
Case in point being the series mentioned earlier: Fatal Frame / Zero. The PS2 had a huge userbase when the third game in that series was released, but it topped out at around 65-70k.
RpgN said:That's why I said LTD
*confused*
I am the target audience for this game. Been reading posts about it all last year. Have the music from the site ripped to my iPod. Currently have a fragile postcard on my computer desk that I got for waiting 3 hours in line to play it at TGS.
And I didn't buy it. Because I forgot it was out yesterday.
Now think of gamers who are less invested in the game than me. They don't have a chance.
No store in my town was doing pre-orders on the game, (I think softmap was though so the big cities might have been covered), no TV ads, no posters, no flyers, no hype.
There aren't as many hardcore, read famitsu every week, live on 2chan gamers as we might think. And unless you happen to be one of those, there was no way you would know anything at all about this release.
However.. had this game been on the PS2 in it's heyday, even with the same level of advertising (none), I think it probably would have done a bit better. But it still would have had no chance of cracking 25k the first day. Internet forum hype only goes so far.
Don't get me wrong, it's still a flop. But I think it's a flop that could have been prevented or at least lessened. Makes me sad