DanielJohnson
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Actually, considering install bases, you're wrong.orio7 said:
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Media Create Sales 12/10 - 12/16 2007
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DanielJohnson
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Honestly, I'd say they both performed as expected. Its clear at this point that there are 50-60k hardcore gamers that are obsessed with their 360's in Japan. Lost Odyssey did exactly what Halo did when it came out, charted in the top 10 and then fell off the face of the earth.Raist said:
Uncharted did mediocre at best, considering everything going against it.
Hard numbers - 34k on a system with 3x the install base(PS3) vs 55k on 360
Its obvious now that the gooch isn't making system sellers, but compared to uncharted, it did fine.
test_account
XP-39C²
Defuser said:
How so?
BishopLamont
Banned
Uh Sony expected 250k retail sales and only 50k downloads, if retail underperformed I don't think the downloads would be big.gcubed said:
A bad game can do damage to a series, look what Tales of the Tempest did to Tales of Innocence. SMS didn't really help SMG either, but sales are picking up now I think due to word of mouth and better advertising.test_account said:
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Seems games have inherited the movie trend of a bad/disappointing installment having a direct effect on the next installment's opening, which usually predicts a product's overall performance.test_account said:
DMC being awesome meant more people ran out right away and bought DMC2. DMC2 being extremely disappointing meant fewer people ran out right away and bought DMC3.
To put it another way, a bad installment can put a loser stink on a franchise.
norinrad21
Banned
Defuser said:
Can anyone confirm this?
Psychotext
Member
That vid was surprisingly good!
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Let's see... all of your posts are blatant troll attempts, every single one of your posts is advertising your "product", and your latest video even has Oi-Oi's Magic Made-up Numbers in it.theKoopa said:
I give you a long future here on GAF, Wii Girl.
Souldriver
Member
Or even more plausible:Grecco said:
Because he is Wiigirl.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Luckyman said:
I wasn't trolling if that was your accusation.
It's obvious Ratchet & Clank and Uncharted are AAA, but GT5
is the one that really should push hardware.Opus Angelorum
Member
Jokeropia said:
As a franchise? Really?
Opus Angelorum
Member
Jokeropia said:
Consider me informed then, I find that surprising.
My take on the Wii & PSP sales models
Wii has two audiences - you and your mom:
You buy lots of core games, and the odd casual title
Your mom buys Wii Play, Wii Sports and eventually Wii Fit and maybe another game nearer Xmas/NY
This means that core games sell well for a short while, and the casual games sell medium for a long time. Some titles sit in between (MarioG).
PSP also has two audiences - you and your friend who likes gadgets
You buy a few core games and Pirate the casual ones (I DO NOT CONDONE PIRACY YOU SCUM BAG THEIVES)
Your gadget loving compadre buys around 1 to 2 games a year - the bigger titles and usually as Xmas gifts and plays pirated movies on it the rest of the time.
This means big sales for landmark titles and the other games get the crumbs yet hardware continues to sell as a high status product.
Just my take...
Wii has two audiences - you and your mom:
You buy lots of core games, and the odd casual title
Your mom buys Wii Play, Wii Sports and eventually Wii Fit and maybe another game nearer Xmas/NY
This means that core games sell well for a short while, and the casual games sell medium for a long time. Some titles sit in between (MarioG).
PSP also has two audiences - you and your friend who likes gadgets
You buy a few core games and Pirate the casual ones (I DO NOT CONDONE PIRACY YOU SCUM BAG THEIVES)
Your gadget loving compadre buys around 1 to 2 games a year - the bigger titles and usually as Xmas gifts and plays pirated movies on it the rest of the time.
This means big sales for landmark titles and the other games get the crumbs yet hardware continues to sell as a high status product.
Just my take...
charlequin
Banned
Pureauthor said:
Yup. All the "SMG crow" stuff is silly because the whole argument at SMG launch was "Hey guys, this really makes it look like the Wii platform base is composed purely of Blue Ocean types, with very few core gamers in the mix." What the next few weeks have shown is that Nintendo can successfully boost their own core titles by hitching them to "non-game" successes, but in that time we've had four hyuuuge third-party bombs on the system -- and not even never-had-a-chance bombs like Z&W. This does nothing to disprove the actual heart of the "maybe Wii isn't doing so hot at moving software" point.
I want the Wii to be a software-selling machine, but I'm not going to crown it as one until the evidence is in. When something does badly (SMG launch, those recent 3rd party bombs) it's a point towards a bad trend, and when something does well (Biohazard) it's a point in the other direction.
Deku said:
Er.... why? It's less expensive to pirate on the PSP than on any other system (no purchase required, except the larger memory card you probably already own to watch movies on....), it's pretty easy to learn to do (there are books freely on sale in Japan explaining how to hack your PSP), and the game library is appealing to people who are likely to be into piracy (young, reasonably hardcore gamers.)
It's also got the best "gateway drug" of piracy on almost any system; while playing pirated games is usually a pain in the ass (I'm thinking of the shenanigans needed on many home consoles), on the PSP the piracy-enabling custom firmware + UMD rips actually makes the system drastically more convenient than using the legit functionality. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there are a lot of people who change the FW to fix the horrific load times and to carry more games at once, and then start pirating some software just because it's now easy.
All the non-gaming features it has are definitely a factor as well (and probably increasingly so as the system's price drops); either one alone probably would have hurt the system's tie ratio, and together they put it in the fairly lousy position we see today.
Randy Lanzarote
Member
Opus Angelorum said:
There isn't much between the two,
Minna Golf 4 : 1.083.079
GT4 : 1.066.749
And for GT4 Prologue: 747.692
But then GT3: 1.438.743
http://www.japan-gamecharts.com/ps2.php
I wonder if GT4 prologue took away sales from the full retail game, given the drop from GT3 to GT4. Maybe a lot of people felt there was enough content within prologue to satisfy them, especially given the price.
Opus Angelorum
Member
sionyboy said:
Very possible.
jgwhiteus said:
Yeah, this is spot-on. The new campaign (currently it seems only running on the Wii channel, not on the website or tv) shows 'Jump on DS' (DS de, Jump!) followed by 'Jump on Wii' (Wii de, Jump!) and then the same DS -> Wii -> DS -> Wii pattern for 'swim', 'kill goomba', and 'throw fire'.
It's 100% aimed at the 3.5 million people who bought NSMB but didn't buy Galaxy.
AceBandage
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tanod said:
It's a 2008 title.
dr_rus
Member
GT5P is actually quite good considering its price and current number of PS3s sold. And PS3 will sell good this week.
Wii Fit is a beast, and it's pulling SMG, Sports and Play up too (which is good for SMG and all of us poor gamers).
PSP is a strange machine, wonder what's Sony going to do with it next...
Wii Fit is a beast, and it's pulling SMG, Sports and Play up too (which is good for SMG and all of us poor gamers).
PSP is a strange machine, wonder what's Sony going to do with it next...
test_account
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BishopLamont said:
Segata Sanshiro said:
Ah ok, like that. Ye true that. I have hardly tried DMC (any of them) though, so i dont know if DMC 2 sucked or not
How was it with DMC 3 though? Much better?test_account said:Ah ok, like that. Ye true that. I have hardly tried DMC (any of them) though, so i dont know if DMC 2 sucked or not
Compare to 2. Absolutely YES. Imagine the game that people praise as one of the best in its genre.
Such a shame that DMC2 almost kill the series.
Whatever the reasons for PSP's low sw sales, Sony has created a very successful device, which is impressive, it's just unsuccessful as a gaming handheld for bought sw.
As for Wii 3rd party sales, I think the potential on Wii isn't going to be conclusive until a major exclusive is released on the system, i.e. something that isn't a port, spin-off or new in a saturated genre, like MH3.
Many 3rd parties have backed themselves into a corner with their current strategy and given their unwillingness to change in the way Nintendo has or even adapt like Level 5, big success will only come with exclusive main entries in big name franchises. Still, I expect most of these to sell less than they did on PS2 because the market has changed. However, imo, sooner or later these developers will be forced to change and throw major resources behind new kinds of games on Wii, with some successfully combining the old with the new and even pleasing the hardcore.
As jarrod pointed out in the last thread, it took PS1 a while to establish itself as the system of choice for 3rd parties, I don't see why it's going to be any quicker for Wii.
In the meantime, sure, it's going to be a brutal for 3rd parties on home systems in Japan. But hey, at least Nintendo's keeping consumer interest in it, because let's face it, home consoles would be well and truly fucked without them!
As for Wii 3rd party sales, I think the potential on Wii isn't going to be conclusive until a major exclusive is released on the system, i.e. something that isn't a port, spin-off or new in a saturated genre, like MH3.
Many 3rd parties have backed themselves into a corner with their current strategy and given their unwillingness to change in the way Nintendo has or even adapt like Level 5, big success will only come with exclusive main entries in big name franchises. Still, I expect most of these to sell less than they did on PS2 because the market has changed. However, imo, sooner or later these developers will be forced to change and throw major resources behind new kinds of games on Wii, with some successfully combining the old with the new and even pleasing the hardcore.
As jarrod pointed out in the last thread, it took PS1 a while to establish itself as the system of choice for 3rd parties, I don't see why it's going to be any quicker for Wii.
In the meantime, sure, it's going to be a brutal for 3rd parties on home systems in Japan. But hey, at least Nintendo's keeping consumer interest in it, because let's face it, home consoles would be well and truly fucked without them!
JoshuaJSlone
Member
This makes me think something. DS might not set a new record best week, but now that there's a strong Wii as well perhaps we'll see a new record for most systems sold by a single manufacturer. Last year on the week of December 18, Media Create had GCN+Wii+GBA+GBASP+GBM+DS+DSL at 770,800, which is the highest I know of. The week before (which would be the equivalent to this week) it was at 432,655, which it looks like this year will miss slightly.Agent Icebeezy said:
Right. Less "1 gazliion day 1" and more "1 a day for 1 gazliion days".Cheesemeister said:
Depends what you mean by "big". The next three should still be near a peak, and mid-late January is probably when things go back to normal.Oblivion said:
Maybe it's the biggest games that can attract a large percentage of the multimedia/homebrew/non-pirate crowd? Or even part of the pirate crowd wants a physical copy of some big games from big series? I for one use the PSP mostly for homebrew, but will probably get Crisis Core.BishopLamont said:
Current number of third party games in DS Top 10: 0. Making an arbitrary "Top X" list is irrelevant.Defuser said:
Fixed.charlequin said:
I wonder. SMG has quite a range. There are 2D play areas that feel very familiar and oldschool, but getting used to spherical planets and controlling Mario while upside down was even a bit intimidating for a 3D Mario veteran like me. Almost as much as playing SM64 was at first.jgwhiteus said:
BishopLamont
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1.) Nintendo DS Lite - 319,708iidesuyo said:
2.) Nintendo Wii - 108,237
3.) PlayStation 3 - 70,942
4.) PlayStation Portable - 48,962
5.) PlayStation 2 - 37,730
6.) Xbox 360 - 17,168
7.) Game Boy Advance SP - 1,867
8.) Game Boy micro - 1,491
9.) GameCube - 1,152
10.) Nintendo DS - 158
11.) Game Boy Advance - 42
12.) Xbox - 3
JoshuaJSlone said:
Nintendo probably will beat total hardware sales this year, but I don't think DS will set a new weekly record. There's no shortage and so far it's been tracking less then last year these past few weeks.
test_account
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gconsole said:
Ok, hope for Sony's and Capcom's sake that the serie gains abit of interest this time
ziran said:
Afaik PS1 was not popular in the begining. Didnt it only sell 1 million consoles the first year world wide or something? Wii is mega popular, probly the most popular console ever (atleast within the 1st year).
BishopLamont said:
Out of ~120 million people, 3 people bought an Xbox for x-mas, damn.. hehe. Most likely discontunied almost everywhere though, but still
DeaconKnowledge
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felipeko said:
"Only 3rd party non-games sell on Wii"
then
"Only Capcom, Square, and Konami sell on Wii" (though this one has already happened with Capcom and "of course RE sells on Wii".)
Pureauthor
Member
Refresh my memory, someone - was there ever a period in which the DS was receiving 3rd party franchises and having them tank like crazy?
DeaconKnowledge
Member
test_account said:Ok, hope for Sony's and Capcom's sake that the serie gains abit of interest this time
I think the time to be cautiously optimistic of PS3 franchises selling big should be over. Like Sony with November NPD, (and GT5P) we should be watching to see if Sony surpasses lowered expectations.
basically less wishing, more forecasting.
test_account
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DeaconKnowledge said:
I'm not saying it would exceed DMC3's LTD, i said 100k myself in an earlier post here, but i still hope for Sony's and Capcom's sake that some interest are gained.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
DMC3 cast Raise on the franchise. Nobody would be caring about DMC4 if DMC3 had been as bad as DMC2, I can tell you that much.test_account said:Ah ok, like that. Ye true that. I have hardly tried DMC (any of them) though, so i dont know if DMC 2 sucked or not