Wait, are you talking about US only, Japan only or worldwide here? Sonic has never been big in Japan but is doing decently in the US and quite well in Europe, Big Brain Academy is doing well in Japan (156,154 as of May 27 according to Famitsu, likely 175k by now at least) but hasn't been out long enough anywhere else for any numbers to be released, Dragonball Z has done decently (~140-150k) in all three territories making half a million lifetime a clear possibility, Madden did ok in the US which is the only place where the franchise sells, Call of Duty is well past 200k in the US and easily beat the PS3 version etc.LanceStern said:
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Media Create Sales 6/4 - 6/10
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Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
Rock_Man said:MK DS is currently selling ~50 % better than last year! Very very unusual actually.
This Graph is enough to make me say GULP 10 times. I mean, the game has the possibility to do better then last year. "Crazy" is not the right word to describe this situation.
I was just thinking that Nintendo has slowed donw a little bit their rate of development and the meaning stay is these charts: old games continue to sell well even after years and there is no need to introduce new big games.
If the tendence continues, I don't think that the core gamer will have more games the the end of the lifecycle then the rest of other systems; even if the Wii and DS are a lot more successfull then other consoles.
If this means less games and more quality I could accept it. But if this mean lazyness.... I predict bad times for the hardcore...
LanceStern
Banned
I'm done having long, drawn out arguments guys.. you're going to have to find some other person with a different opinion to debate with.
But sardonyx... I think that's what your SN is, I can see your side slightly, just trying to get an understanding here.
edit: Sorry, the SN is Saitou
1) Back then, videogames weren't REALLY mainstream (as in, all ages are now playing because fo touch generation)
2) Now with new gamers coming in, mothers, fathers, grandmas etc., they might be willing to try a new game. What better way to start than with a franchise they've heard of (Dragon Quest) and is popular, they just never tried earlier because of controllers being to complicated.
3) Because of waggle, it makes it easier for them to play the game and enjoy it... So they spread word of mouth to their friends and more buy it. Add that added fanbase to the Wii owners that already were going to buy the title, the kids that pick up a Wii because they WANT the title, and casuals that snap it up because everyone else has it and presto,
You could have a million seller. It's quite unpredictable these days. But I'm going to stick to my original 3 point message. This is just my way of understanding your side.
Is this what you were thinking? Or am I off?
But sardonyx... I think that's what your SN is, I can see your side slightly, just trying to get an understanding here.
edit: Sorry, the SN is Saitou
1) Back then, videogames weren't REALLY mainstream (as in, all ages are now playing because fo touch generation)
2) Now with new gamers coming in, mothers, fathers, grandmas etc., they might be willing to try a new game. What better way to start than with a franchise they've heard of (Dragon Quest) and is popular, they just never tried earlier because of controllers being to complicated.
3) Because of waggle, it makes it easier for them to play the game and enjoy it... So they spread word of mouth to their friends and more buy it. Add that added fanbase to the Wii owners that already were going to buy the title, the kids that pick up a Wii because they WANT the title, and casuals that snap it up because everyone else has it and presto,
You could have a million seller. It's quite unpredictable these days. But I'm going to stick to my original 3 point message. This is just my way of understanding your side.
Is this what you were thinking? Or am I off?
RiskyChris
Banned
LanceStern said:
Oh FFS!!
soundwave05
Member
Just for reference what was the first DS 3rd party title to clear 500,000 copies in a single territory?
Because Nintendo's 1st parties are such a large draw, they will always cannibalize the inital sales period. Once the userbase gets larger, then you see the software sales get more diverse.
This year for the DS for example has been great for third parties with even new IPs like Professor Layton hitting the jack pot. But it takes time for the userbase to get there, it doesn't happen overnight.
Because Nintendo's 1st parties are such a large draw, they will always cannibalize the inital sales period. Once the userbase gets larger, then you see the software sales get more diverse.
This year for the DS for example has been great for third parties with even new IPs like Professor Layton hitting the jack pot. But it takes time for the userbase to get there, it doesn't happen overnight.
LanceStern
Banned
soundwave05 said:
Tamagotchi for the DS.
And Rocky with the Yoshi Avatar. I apologize because that was worded possibly offensive, and I'll change it. But if you look at the numbers, it is a true statement.
edit: Sorry, the SN is RiskyChris
soundwave05
Member
LanceStern said:
And Tamagotchi was definitely not in the launch period, the DS userbase was well past 3 million when that came out.
The Wii already has games like Red Steel and Rayman which have shipped past 1 million copies WW as well which isn't too shabby given I don't feel either game is that great.
Third parties have to shoulder a lot of the blame here themselves too ... how many of them are really honestly providing a great product? The old "Nintendo holds us back!" schtick 3rd parties used during the SNES days might have been true then, but nowadays they have no excuses. They have to fulfill their side of the bargain and bring out a good product too -- an no, a quickie port job of a 2-year-old game (no matter how good the original was) isn't what I'm talking about.
Grampa Simpson
Banned
Not this shit again. For three months the MC threads were mostly ok, but here you are again.LanceStern said:
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LanceStern
Banned
bmf said:
The message you quoted was me agreeing with Saitou. I will leave.
soundwave, I think it's best I log off... The next few to hit 500k were Final Fantasy III, Tamagotchi 2, Love and Berry, Kanji Quiz, Dragon Quest Monsters.
But in the US, there has not been one yet.
RiskyChris
Banned
LanceStern said:
It's way too early in a console's lifetime to say whether or not 3rd party software sells. You can't base it on N64/GCN performance because those consoles were not market leaders.
Ynos Yrros
Banned
Next week XBox 360 will outsell PS3, that will be a thread of epic proportions. Ithink X360 will sell around 25k, and PS3 around 15 (probably below).
Why did DS get into PlayStation top 3 again?
Why did DS get into PlayStation top 3 again?
Cosmonaut X
Member
LanceStern said:
Do we actually have any accurate figures for the US to enable us to say what third-party games have sold what?
Flakster99
Member
Hey, LanceStern. Care to give your opinion on the PSP software situation?
JoshuaJSlone
Member
I think it makes more sense to compare it to other Mysterious Dungeon games, especially the previous Chocobo ones, than a different Chocobo game on the DS.LanceStern said:
Zelda sold worse. Fire Emblem sold the same. Paper Mario sold better. It's not a bankable trend one way or the other.
Outside of Nintendo franchises, they don't come any bigger than Dragon Quest in Japan.
If it means laziness as in lessening game quality, they won't sell for 2 years after release.Mithos Yggdrasil said:
imastalker co.
Banned
i love it when we get NPD and Media Create numbers in the same day. any minute now right?
http://www.famitsu.com/game/rank/top30/2007/06/14/120,1181801536,73401,0,0.html
On launch week, Biohazard 4 Wii Edition sold between 51 and 75% of its shipment.
According to Famitsu, BH4WE is the first Wii game to rank above any of Nintendo/Pokemon's efforts.
On launch week, Biohazard 4 Wii Edition sold between 51 and 75% of its shipment.
According to Famitsu, BH4WE is the first Wii game to rank above any of Nintendo/Pokemon's efforts.
titiklabingapat
Member
cvxfreak said:http://www.famitsu.com/game/rank/top30/2007/06/14/120,1181801536,73401,0,0.html
On launch week, Biohazard 4 Wii Edition sold between 51 and 75% of its shipment.
So, did they get any shipments in after that? IIRC, Japanese retailers usually order a set amount, and it usually takes two weeks before receiving another order. There's a pretty good chance that RE4 was indeed, somewhat supply constrained. I can't wait for Vink's village report!
Grampa Simpson
Banned
Cheesemeister
Member
31./31. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd (Capcom)
32./32. [NDS] Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis (Nintendo)
33./34. [NDS] Pokémon Diamond (Pokemon)
34./41. [NDS] Lucky Star Moé Drill: Travel (Kadokawa Shoten)
35./23. [NDS] Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings (Square-Enix)
36./24. [PSP] Bleach: Heat the Soul 4 (Sony)
37./40. [NDS] Pokémon Pearl (Pokemon)
38./38. [NDS] Dragon Quest Monsters Joker (Square-Enix)
39./36. [NDS] Kanji Test (Rocket Co.)
40./19. [NDS] Simple DS Series, Vol. 15: THE Police Investigator 2: Eight New Cases (D3 Publisher)
41./39. [NDS] Word Puzzle Mojipittan DS (Bandai-Namco)
42./45. [NDS] Tetris DS (Nintendo)
43./35. [WII] Wario Ware Smooth Moves (Nintendo)
44./00. [NDS] Suujin Taisen (Nintendo)
45./00. [PS2] Magician's Academy (Enterbrain)
46./00. [NDS] Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End (Disney Interactive)
47./46. [NDS] Big Brain Academy (Nintendo)
48./29. [PS2] Shining Wind (Sega)
49./00. [WII] Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End (Disney Interactive)
50./00. [NDS] DS Kageyama Method Electronic Kanji Drills (Shogakukan)
NDS - 34
WII - 8
PSP - 5
PS2 - 3
GBA = 16 GBA + 302 SP + 481 Micro
NDS = 35 DS + 117,193 Lite
32./32. [NDS] Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis (Nintendo)
33./34. [NDS] Pokémon Diamond (Pokemon)
34./41. [NDS] Lucky Star Moé Drill: Travel (Kadokawa Shoten)
35./23. [NDS] Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings (Square-Enix)
36./24. [PSP] Bleach: Heat the Soul 4 (Sony)
37./40. [NDS] Pokémon Pearl (Pokemon)
38./38. [NDS] Dragon Quest Monsters Joker (Square-Enix)
39./36. [NDS] Kanji Test (Rocket Co.)
40./19. [NDS] Simple DS Series, Vol. 15: THE Police Investigator 2: Eight New Cases (D3 Publisher)
41./39. [NDS] Word Puzzle Mojipittan DS (Bandai-Namco)
42./45. [NDS] Tetris DS (Nintendo)
43./35. [WII] Wario Ware Smooth Moves (Nintendo)
44./00. [NDS] Suujin Taisen (Nintendo)
45./00. [PS2] Magician's Academy (Enterbrain)
46./00. [NDS] Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End (Disney Interactive)
47./46. [NDS] Big Brain Academy (Nintendo)
48./29. [PS2] Shining Wind (Sega)
49./00. [WII] Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End (Disney Interactive)
50./00. [NDS] DS Kageyama Method Electronic Kanji Drills (Shogakukan)
NDS - 34
WII - 8
PSP - 5
PS2 - 3
Code:
Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
1. NDS - 117,228 | 123,211 | 3,531,436 | 17,537,115
2. WII - 64,529 | 69,748 | 1,749,830 | 2,669,473
3. PSP - 24,711 | 26,358 | 978,499 | 5,510,628
4. PS2 - 11,097 | 11,814 | 380,121 | 20,534,980
5. PS3 - 8,776 | 8,998 | 461,955 | 919,513
6. 360 - 2,533 | 2,219 | 104,477 | 369,179
7. GBA - 799 | 573 | 38,951 | 15,337,030
8. NGC - 167 | 226 | 8,003 | 4,177,471NDS = 35 DS + 117,193 Lite
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
2. WII - 64,529 | 69,748 | 1,749,830 | 2,669,473
5. PS3 - 8,776 | 8,998 | 461,955 | 919,513
6. 360 - 2,533 | 2,219 | 104,477 | 369,179
This is just slaughter.
2. WII - 64,529 | 69,748 | 1,749,830 | 2,669,473
5. PS3 - 8,776 | 8,998 | 461,955 | 919,513
6. 360 - 2,533 | 2,219 | 104,477 | 369,179
This is just slaughter.
Grampa Simpson
Banned
It's under 9000. How many weeks has it been below 10 now?
World wide LTD estimates- (good data for everywhere except Europe)
360- 9.35M
Wii- 7.9M
PS3- 3.4M
One note- PS3 sales are pretty close- we have good Europe data because of their P.R. Decent for Wii- have numbers up until March. Complete guess on 360- I could be off, but I tried to be relatively realistic (about 3M for PAL regions).
360- 9.35M
Wii- 7.9M
PS3- 3.4M
One note- PS3 sales are pretty close- we have good Europe data because of their P.R. Decent for Wii- have numbers up until March. Complete guess on 360- I could be off, but I tried to be relatively realistic (about 3M for PAL regions).
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
schuelma said:
Wow, this is just insane.
marvelharvey
Member
Previously, 3 times I think, with the lowest week being around 8600ishbmf said:
5/14 - 5/20 8,659
5/21 - 5/27 9,627
5/28 - 6/3 8,998
Cruceh said:
Well, I keep downward adjusting Europe numbers after seeing snippets of data (like 360 selling 10K in a week in the U.K, or like seeing Wii almost catch it in France). I admit I could be off in Europe, but I doubt 360 is doing more than a 100K a month right now.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Cruceh said:
That tends to happen when you ship 10 million consoles and flood the market to brag that you "sold" 10 million consoles.
Just like how Sony flooded the marked with the PSP until Retailers threatened to discount the console.
imastalker co.
Banned
i can't stress enough how good E3 and TGS is going to be for Nintendo.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
imastalker co. said:
Clairvoyancy is not an excuse to say whatever you want :lol
"Vinnk's Village" Anecdotal Report
Here again is a report from my town.
This week I was asked to look for: Wii, DS lite, RE4, Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Trusty Bell. I went Thursday June 14th, 2007:
Jusco
Wii: Sold Out
DS lite: 2
Eye Training: Sold Out
RE4: 2
Ninja Gaiden: 4
Trusty Bell: 2 (+1 bundle)
Youme Town
Wii: Sold Out
DS lite: 3
Eye Training: Sold Out
RE4: 2
Ninja Gaiden: 5
Trusty Bell: 2
Mr. Max
Wii: 1
DS lite: 3
Eye Training: Sold out
RE4: 1
Ninja Gaiden: 1
Trusty Bell: 0 (but its unknown if they ordered any)
Book-Net
Wii: Sold Out
DS lite: Sold out
Eye Training: 2
RE4: Sold Out
Ninja Gaiden: 2
Trusty Bell: 1 (+1 bundle)
Goody
Wii: Sold Out
DS lite: 4
Eye Training:
RE4: None
Ninja Gaiden: None
Trusty Bell: None
Best Denki
Wii: 1
DS lite: 20
Eye Training: 3
RE4: 7
Ninja Gaiden: 6
Trusty Bell: 3 (+2 bundles)
Wanpaku
Wii: Sold out
DS lite: 3
Eye Training: 4
RE4: Sold Out
Ninja Gaiden: 7
Trusty Bell: Sold out
Famicom Dojo
Wii: 1
DS lite: 1
Eye Training: 1
RE4: Sold Out
Ninja Gaiden: 1
Trusty Bell: Sold out (but they only had 1)
Yamada Denki
Wii: Sold out
DS lite: 2
Eye Training: 3
RE4: 1
Ninja Gaiden: 7
Trusty Bell: 2
TOTALS:
Wii: 3
DS lite:
Eye Training: 13
RE4: 13
Ninja Gaiden: 33
Trusty Bell: 10 (+4 bundles)
NOTES:
1. Wii is still very supply constrained. Any store that does have them doesnt have them for long. I think I can copy and paste this statement until after Christmas.
2. DS lite is not hard to find this week. Most stores have them. This is the fourth week that I have seen the system readily available.
3. I did not count Ouendan 2 this week, but most stores that had them last week still had them. It seems they did reorder despite being skeptical of the title at first.
4. Biohazard 4 was sold out from the game specialty shops (but not the department stores) earlier this week. But Best Denki for some reason has new ones already. The other stores, I assume will be restocked soon (or are already).
5. The hardcore gamers in my town are going nuts about Trusty Bell. It is a main topic of discussion from the game store lurkers who hang out there all the time. One mentioned that he is finally going to bet a 360 for this and Blue Dragon. Another said he would re-buy the 360. He sold his after he beat Blue Dragon. But as has been shown countless times in the past, these Otaku Gamers make up a very small percent of the overall market. As expected the hardcore are snapping up Trusty Bell, the rest are ignoring it. It is sold out (or nearly sold out) at the gaming stores, but I would not be surprised if it hasnt sold any at the department stores.
6. Ninja Gaiden is not supply constrained right now. However, like Trusty Bell, I have no idea what the initial shipment was and I went on the first day. More could have been sold in the evening.
7. Eye training is the opposite of Trusty Bell and RE4, the department stores are sold out and the gaming stores still have copies left. It might be like brain training 2 saw when it first came out. Casuals were going into game stores for the first time ever because they couldnt find the games they wanted at normal stores. They always looked a bit frightened..
Previous Reports:
June 7th, 2007
May 30th, 2007
May 24th, 2007
May 17th, 2007
May 10th, 2007
GarthVaderUK
Banned
Hcoregamer00 said:
Well you can't spell slaughter without laughter.
And if you can't laugh, what can you do?
imastalker co.
Banned
the numbers speak for themselves.pilonv1 said:
ComputerNerd
Banned
GarthVaderUK said:
Cry.