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Media Create Sales: Aug 17-23, 2009
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JoshuaJSlone
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Just stupid server or DNS problems sometimes. It comes and goes.
Huge in absolute terms? (100k+ opening week, and maintaining 40k-50k per week throughout the remainder of the year, and then back to 100k+ for the holiday weeks at end-of-year)cvxfreak said:
or just huge relative to the fat PS3? (big opening week, but back to sub-30k inside of 4 or 5 weeks)
Dalthien said:
I just can't see the former. I could possibly see a higher opening number than I'm currently predicting (55k), but 40K sales until the end of the year? Selling more than all other systems besides the DS? Without any huge games until FF13? No way.
Hypereides
Member
Road said:
Smaller but notable releases also include 3D dot game heroes & Zill : Souls of trinity.
AranhaHunter
Banned
schuelma said:
I only see 2 relatively high profile 3rd party game for the Wii (SW3, SRW) in Nov-Dec, I guess 3 with RE on rails...
AranhaHunter said:
SRW Neo is end of October, SW 3 11/19, FF:CC:CB 11/26, and RE: DC will probably be November as well given the Western release dates. (not to mention I'm still expecting Taiko Wii 2, though that hasn't been announced).
I agree that lineup pales in comparison to say, the likely portable lineups for that same period, but for the Wii that's pretty decent.
schuelma said:
This is what I don't get about some of the predictions being made here. Even the DS was having a hard time maintaining 40-50k in weekly sales before DQIX was released - why on earth do people expoect the PS3 Slim to put up similar numbers - without any notable games?
Hell, even if it *did* launch with some notable games, it's still $299 after the pricedrop.
I'm expecting 50-60k first-week sales, but I also expect it will return to sub-20k sales per week within the month...
Well, that's why I'm wondering what cvxfreak meant by 'huge'. He is there in the heart of Japan, and has a pretty good grasp of the mood of the country. And he has a good grasp of video-game sales history and trends. I associate a word of the magnitude of 'huge' to mean the dominant systems. The DS for many years now has been huge. The PS2 was huge in its day. The PSP was huge for the year following MHP2. The Wii was huge for the first 1.5 years on the market.schuelma said:
If all the PS3 Slim does is launch with a big number, then drift back down to sub-30k a month or two later - that's not huge. That's nothing more than a fairly typical response to a new hardware revision or the launch of a big title.
I mean, the Wii just responded to a big title by going 100k, 50k, 50k, 30k. Granted, that was a strong bump from a big title, but there was no new hardware revision (only a new colour), no new $100 price drop. If all the PS3 Slim does is something along the lines of 100k, 50k, 50k, 30k - then that isn't even close to being 'huge'. That would actually be somewhat disappointing actually, considering the Wii just achieved that same bump without a new hardware revision or a $100 price cut.
Now if the PS3 opens big, then sustains big sales throughout the year, then I would call that 'huge'. I'm curious which scenario cvxfreak is expecting from his perspective from within Japan.
Dalthien said:
Yeah..I just can't see that. That would be asking the PS3 to do something that the Wii hasn't even been able to do since last year, and to do it without a real compelling piece of software. Like I said, I'm starting to think the launch will be huge because of the drastic drop offs we've seen the last 2 weeks, but I don't think that is sustainable without software, which we won't see until December most likely.
Grampa Simpson
Banned
Yeah. That wouldn't be surprising. I was just thinking about all the systems I could think of starting with the NES/Famicom - and those were the only two where I didn't have any direct awareness of piracy in the systems lifetime.Stumpokapow said:
Dalthien said:
Considering PS3 has been selling around 10k-per-week (less than half of the Wii's weekly average) for quite some time now, I think a bump of 100k > 50k > 50k > 30k following the Slim's release could be considered 'huge,' personally.
Hell, if it could sustain weekly sales of 20k for the rest of the year, that would be 'huge,' too. The Wii was barely able to do that before MHTri, and may have a hard time doing between now and late October (when more key games are released), so asking PS3 Slim to sell something like 40k a week with a ho-hum lineup of games (until the holidays) is a bit much, IMO.
Ah see - you have answered my question. I was asking if the PS3 Slim would be 'huge' in overall terms, or 'huge' relative to the fat PS3. You believe that the term 'huge' will only apply with the caveat "in relation to the fat PS3". cvxfreak did not include that caveat when he stated that the PS3 Slim would be 'huge'. So I was questioning if he believes that the PS3 Slim will be 'huge' in overall terms (which to me means sustained sales of 40-50k well after the launch), or if he was only referring to 'huge' in comparison to the already dismal sales of the fat PS3.d+pad said:
To your point, the Wii was down to less than 15k per week before Wii Sports Resort, which wasn't all that different from the PS3 at 10k per week. The 100k, 50k, 50k, 30k weeks following MH3 were certainly a nice boost, but I sure wouldn't say that MH3 and black Wii were 'huge' for Wii hardware sales (if anything huge comes out of MH3, it will be IF the strong software sales for MH3 encourage other publishers to bring their high-profile titles to the Wii). They helped give a nice short-term spike, and the Wii is now back below 30k again. If the PS3 follows the same spike pattern, then again - I certainly wouldn't use the word 'huge'. Unless of course, the reference point is only the fat PS3, and not the market as a whole.
To me, the word 'huge' is a very powerful and potent term. It refers to very big, momentous events. A typical short-term hardware spike accompanying a new hardware revision and a deep price cut is nothing out of the ordinary. And if all it does long-term is leave the PS3 in a still long-term trend of mediocre weekly numbers, then that doesn't qualify as 'huge'. If it leaves the PS3 in a position to really start to compete with the other systems in Japan for market awareness and presence, that would be 'huge'.
charlequin
Banned
Dalthien said:
No, no, see: it's like when your five year old turns on the faucet for you when you're washing dishes and you say "Thanks, buddy, you were a huge help!"
Thunder Monkey
Banned
:lolcharlequin said:
Enjoyable.
Dragona Akehi
Retired
charlequin said:
Saved for posterity (ie next week) when the Slim sells out of its first shipment of 250k in the first two days.
Oh dear, what have I done.
By huge, I meant reasonably big. Certainly bigger than what we've seen out of the PS3 before. Definitely not DS huge, but I would be disappointed if the PS3 didn't see a PSP-style revival relative to its average sales since launch. I think it should outsell the Wii for at least 1.5 months, maybe even 2 before the big third party hits begin arriving.
By huge, I meant reasonably big. Certainly bigger than what we've seen out of the PS3 before. Definitely not DS huge, but I would be disappointed if the PS3 didn't see a PSP-style revival relative to its average sales since launch. I think it should outsell the Wii for at least 1.5 months, maybe even 2 before the big third party hits begin arriving.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Not that you would be the end all be all for info but do you or anyone have any idea how good the adverts have been for this thing? Or actual reserves or general interest the Slim is garnering? I know of the 200k initial shipment but that's the extent of my knowledge.Dragona Akehi said:Saved for posterity (ie next week) when the Slim sells out of its first shipment of 250k in the first two days.
Is End of Eternity still slated for this year? I think this will be an interesting one to see the effect on console sales, being the first good example of a multiplatform RPG. Will the hardware bump also be split (by the PS360s usual ratio), or will the only people who buy the 360 version already have that console so it will see no bump?
Saint Gregory
Member
How much of a price drop is the PS3 getting in Japan? I never really though that its price was one of the issues holding back sales in that region.
Second said:
Yeah, because it's on the 360 where RPGs are selling this gen. For sure.
Oh wait.
Code:
Dragon Quest IX: Defenders of the Starry Sky 3,723,000 Square Enix
Pokemon Diamond/Pearl 5,681,000 Nintendo
Pokemon Platinum 2,435,000 Nintendo
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Darkness/Time 1,506,952 Nintendo
Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 1,467,179 Square Enix
Dragon Quest IV 1,214,610 Square Enix
Dragon Quest V 1,189,064 Square Enix
Final Fantasy III 1,008,230 Square Enix
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Blue 767,578 Nintendo
Pokemon Ranger: Batonnage 652,363 Nintendo
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story 652,000 Nintendo
Pokemon Ranger 650,334 Nintendo
Final Fantasy IV 622,475 Square Enix
Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings 524,009 Square Enix
Kingdom Hearts: 179 Days 477,000 Square Enix
Chrono Trigger 433,988 Square Enix
Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time 417,391 Nintendo
Crystal Chronicles: Ring of Fates 389,845 Square Enix
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky 362,000 Nintendo
Inazuma Eleven 360,064 Level-5
Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime 293,970 Square Enix
Final Fantasy Tactics A2 287,871 Square Enix
Children of Mana 281,083 Square Enix
Super Robot Wars W 278,027 Banpresto
Tales of Hearts 259,000 Namco
Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon 252,309 Nintendo
We're Fossil Diggers 252,085 Nintendo
Tales of Innocence 246,420 Namco
Freshly Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland 234,862 Nintendo
Crystal Chronicles: Echoes of Time 232,801 Square Enix
Super Robot Wars K 207,079 Bandai
Tales of the Tempest 205,541 Namco
Phantasy Star Zero 202,307 Sega
Mysterious Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer 195,052 Sega
The World Ends With You 192,955 Square Enix
Dragon Ball Kai: Saiyajin Raishuu 184,056 Bandai
Suikoden Tierkreis 155,777 Konami
Archaic Sealed Heat 151,240 Nintendo
Etrian Odyssey 2 145,421 Atlus
Rune Factory 145,346 MMV
Valkyrie Profile Tactics 136,948 Square Enix
7th Dragon 136,104 Sega
Etrian Odyssey 122,461 Atlus
Super Robot Wars OG Saga: Endless Frontier 120,556 Bandai
Rune Factory 2 116,287 MMV
Megami Ibunroku: Devil Survivor 106,779 Atlus
Soma Bringer 100,117 Nintendo
Code:
Star Ocean 4: The Last Hope 208,438 Square Enix
Blue Dragon 203,740 Microsoft
Tales of Vesperia 191,583 Bandai Namco
The Last Remnant 151,181 Square Enix
Infinite Undiscovery 113,195 Square Enix
Lost Odyssey 109,517 Microsoft
Grampa Simpson
Banned
Doesn't matter that the DS is selling more RPGs, the point is that Microsoft managed to suck in a bunch of console RPGs and by making them available either first or exclusively on their console, they reduced the perceived value of the Playstation 3. The Playstation is no longer the place to go for home console RPGs.ethelred said:
What the DS did was much worse for Sony though.
bmf said:
Completely irrelevant. The 360 didn't blunt the PS3 or impact its perceptions or its value. The 360 only has a handful of notable Japanese RPGs that have seen any sort of sales success; several of those have already gone multiplatform, and in those instances they've seen better sales on the PS3. Several more are slated to go multiplatform, and they, too, will surely see better sales on the PS3.
I applaud Microsoft for its efforts because it's put out some great games. But they really didn't accomplish much of anything when it came to hurting the PS3 in Japan or diminishing its role as an RPG machine, because the 360 is nearly as much an irrelevancy as the PS3 is.
Saint Gregory
Member
Thanks, I didn't even realize that the PS3 was (and still is I guess) more expensive in Japan than in the US.Sage00 said:
cvxfreak said:
Respectfully, I think you're getting a bit carried away. PSP's resurgence was absolutely incredible and fueled by a 3 million seller. I don't see any reason to believe a new model and price drop alone is going to have a similar impact.
lowlylowlycook
Member
Loudninja said:
So isn't the historical pattern for a console considered to have a weak library in Japan for people to buy it for a big game then immediately sell the console?
Do we expect that to happen with the PS3?
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Definitely getting 200K in three weeks would be huge; we have to look back to 2006 to see that happening before. Outside of holidays, its biggest bumps have given it three week totals of just over 100K.d+pad said:
akilshohen
Member
you got a link to the story this came from?Anasui Kishibe said:PS3 sales
but hey, they will pick up
As far as I know these games are coming out soon on PS3 in Japan:
Tales of Vesperia, 428, Dragonball Z Raging Blast, Ninja Gaiden 2: Sigma, Tekken 6, Bayonetta
I don't see anything that would push system sales after the initial pricedrop shock outside of Tales or perhaps Tekken.
Tales of Vesperia, 428, Dragonball Z Raging Blast, Ninja Gaiden 2: Sigma, Tekken 6, Bayonetta
I don't see anything that would push system sales after the initial pricedrop shock outside of Tales or perhaps Tekken.
akilshohen
Member
http://www.videosift.com/video/Man-gets-hit-by-Train-and-Semi-SIMULTANEOUSLY-liveslEDarkness said:
found it, he lived.
charlequin
Banned
bmf said:
Nobody cares about "the place to go for home console RPGs," is the point.
schuelma said:
Yeah.... The PSP resurged off of becoming the fashion accessory for every teenage boy. I certainly wouldn't expect the PS3 to do anywhere close to that well without a comparable software hit to MHP2.
test_account
XP-39C²
A new designed model/console + a ~$100 pricedrop might do more for hardware sales than one big titled game (in this case, DQIX) though. I am not saying that the PS3 Slim will sell really great for the upcoming months though, and i do agree to what you say, but i just wanted to say that new designed model/console + a ~$100 pricedrop might have a bigger impact on hardware sales compared to how one big titled game release might impact the the hardware sales.d+pad said:
$299 isnt that high of a price i think. It is only about $50 more than for example a Wii.d+pad said:
I agree that games is an issue for Sony, but i also belive that the price on the PS3 is/was also an issue.Second said:
Ye, that is true, it would indeed suck to get the retailers on the wrong side as you say. I wonder how many PS3 Phats that are still in stock in all of the stores combined.onken said:
Ok, thanks for the info!onken said:
Hopefully many people are aware of that the PS3 Slim is coming and that the PS3's price is now about $100 cheaper, so we get to see some high hardware sales thestopsign
Member
The PS3 Slim will have both an immediate effect and a prolonged one that will raise the hardware weekly all through the next year. That's the difference between hardware and software selling systems. The PSP 2000 is a great example of this. It provided a boost right at launch, and then went on to help sell PSP hardware for the next 1-2 years.
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Kurosaki Ichigo
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Nope, its pretty goodschuelma said: