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[Dragon]

Just this week there was 3D Dot Game Heroes.

He/she did use the word most in their post. Not that I agree with him, as the DS is the defacto system over there and will be until its successor, however unless the Wii starts getting more software support I think it's certainly possible for the PS3 to be the console of choice.

There were a few other games out this week that performed better. Unfortunately for PS3 sales, they simply don't have anywhere close to the legs of the Wii titles.

 

[Yoboman]

A PS3 Monster Hunter makes no sense when Capcom can make much, much more money with Wii Monster Hunter 3 G.

Perhaps milking is in their interest. But they did have a Monster Hunter in development for PS3, and what makes you think it wouldn't sell well establishing it on PS3?

 

[Chris1964]

I start to wonder if Monster Hunter 3 has a very extended timed exclucivity for Wii. Capcom has already announced that the next Monster Hunter for PSP will be a ''spin-off'' (relatively speaking) and we have yet to see Monster Hunter 3 G. Right now it looks there won't be Monster Hunter Portable 3 in 2010.

 

[Chris1964]

Perhaps milking is in their interest. But they did have a Monster Hunter in development for PS3, and what makes you think it wouldn't sell well establishing it on PS3?

Resident Evil 5 would sell great on Wii. Why hasn't Capcom ported it?

 

[Elios83]

A PS3 Monster Hunter makes no sense when Capcom can make much, much more money with Wii Monster Hunter 3 G.

They can make much much more money by making it a multi platform series on PS3-Wii-PSP.
They could lead the development on Wii and then upgrade for PS3 and downgrade for PSP. Capcom is already doing something like that with their Sengoku Basara series (although with no PSP version)

By the way the Wii is definetly in bad shape in Japan, even a price cut didn't do much.
If NSMB isn't a big hardware seller (it could still sell amazingly well by itself) PS3 will win the year with FFXIII.
PSP Go isn't doing really well by itself but it's serving to the purpose of keeping overall PSP hardware sales high.

 

[Dragon]

Resident Evil 5 would sell great on Wii. Why hasn't Capcom ported it?

They should, especially considering the re-release next year (or whenever) of the PS3 game with motion controls. Capcom's been one of the smarter Japanese software companies this entire generation, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Chris1964]

They can make much much more money by making it a multi platform series on PS3-Wii-PSP.

With this logic every game should be multiplatform and the companies would make more money. If it is so simple why don't they do it?

 

[schuelma]

I start to wonder if Monster Hunter 3 has a very extended timed exclucivity for Wii. Capcom has already announced that the next Monster Hunter for PSP will be a ''spin-off'' (relatively speaking) and we have yet to see Monster Hunter 3 G. Right now it looks there won't be Monster Hunter Portable 3 in 2010.

Yeah when they announced that spin off I had that same thought. I mean, I can see why they haven't announced it yet- Wii version is still selling and all..but the announcement of the spin off in my minds means its not happening for a while. Maybe we will see 3G Wii first and then a port off of that maybe next holiday?

 

[Yoboman]

With this logic every game should be multiplatform and the companies would make more money. If it is so simple why don't they do it?

All I said was I hope it happens. Don't get your panties in such a twist

 

[schuelma]

Call me crazy, but, I honestly think that the PS3 will become the defacto system over there. Third party games keep selling in high numbers where as on the Wii, well, unless your Capcom or Square you're not getting sales.

Barring a true PSP resurgence, I don't know if the PS3's relative rise is going to affect much 3rd party wise. By and large, the system has gotten decent support since launch and I feel like at this point most 3rd parties have their strategies set. Most big budget software that has appeal to the West is for the HD twins, and most PS2 franchises that haven't already moved to the Wii or portables will probably stay on the PS3. By the same token, all of the franchises and IP that have found success on the portables will stay there. The only trend I see possibly emerging, if it hasn't started already, is that the PS3 will get more niche, lower budget stuff at the expense of the Wii.

 

[SecretBonusPoint]

I start to wonder if Monster Hunter 3 has a very extended timed exclucivity for Wii. Capcom has already announced that the next Monster Hunter for PSP will be a ''spin-off'' (relatively speaking) and we have yet to see Monster Hunter 3 G. Right now it looks there won't be Monster Hunter Portable 3 in 2010.

There will be a MHP3 in 2010. 2009 isn't even over with yet dude, bit early to be calling what won't be seen in 2010

 

[Elios83]

With this logic every game should be multiplatform and the companies would make more money. If it is so simple why don't they do it?

But it's not that simple because it depends on what kind of game you want to do, its target, added developement costs versus expected sales and so on.
Then of course there are marketing and exclusive deals which make the unrational happen.

For the Monster Hunter series as I said I believe the most logic thing to do is to make it multiplatform on PS3/Wii/PSP, leading the development on Wii to minimize development costs and then upgrade and downgrade on PS3 and PSP respectively.
And again, the fact Capcom is already doing that with Sengoku Basara next year, gives hints they're considering that kind of strategy.

 

[Tenbatsu]

Maybe we will see 3G Wii first and then a port off of that maybe next holiday?

MH3G for the Wii is definitely coming thats for sure, too many hints been placed in MH3:/

 

[schuelma]

For the Monster Hunter series as I said I believe the most logic thing to do is to make it multiplatform on PS3/Wii/PSP, leading the development on Wii to minimize development costs and then upgrade and downgrade on PS3 and PSP respectively.
And again, the fact Capcom is already doing that with Sengoku Basara next year, gives hints they're considering that kind of strategy.

It is certainly possible, but given how well Tri is doing and the ease at which a PSP port can be made it sees more likely they'll keep the status quo. Just because they do something one time doesn't mean every single franchise will follow suit. With Basara, its a franchise that as of yet has not exploded and hasn't really had a current gen entry. With Tri Capcom already knows how well it can sell on the Wii and I think it unlikely that they'll change the development and strategy on something that is already a success. But, like I said, it is possible since its Capcom.

 

[farnham]

Call me crazy, but, I honestly think that the PS3 will become the defacto system over there. Third party games keep selling in high numbers where as on the Wii, well, unless your Capcom or Square you're not getting sales.

yo thats pretty crazy alright

especially if you consider the fact that the ps3 sold less then 4 million units in japan while the wii sold about 8.5 million

 

[onken]

Basara 3 will be quite interesting, seeing as the PS3 and Wii versions will be going head-to-head on sales.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

MH3G for the Wii is definitely coming thats for sure, too many hints been placed in MH3:/

Really? Like what? Unfinished sections?

 

[Tenbatsu]

Really? Like what? Unfinished sections?

A whole bunch of useless items. Stages with caves/section that no monster in the current game uses. Only one set of weapons of a particular monster changes its appearance when upgraded etc.

Capcom is really smart. The development for MH3G has already started even before the completion of MH3.

MH/MHG release dates:

MH
JP 2004-03-11
NA 2004-09-21

MHG
JP 2005-01-20

I predict a release date of June 2010 for MH3G. A PSP port will follow suit after that.

 

[Oxx]

I start to wonder if Monster Hunter 3 has a very extended timed exclucivity for Wii. Capcom has already announced that the next Monster Hunter for PSP will be a ''spin-off'' (relatively speaking) and we have yet to see Monster Hunter 3 G. Right now it looks there won't be Monster Hunter Portable 3 in 2010.

Hmm...I just assumed that Capcom were waiting on the release of Monster Hunter 3 in North America and Europe before announcing anything for PSP.

 

[markatisu]

10. [WII] Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games (Nintendo) - 21,000 / NEW

*cough* *cough*

Why bring that game up, it is never going to sell at the same rate as it's predecessor. wasn't the first shipment only 43k

winter olympics = fail, sticking Mario in that changes nothing

 

[lherre]

Resident Evil 5 would sell great on Wii. Why hasn't Capcom ported it?

Capcom has an awesome multiplatform engine running in ps3-x360, I don't know if it has a new engine on wii or not (or simply reusing RE4 engine). The online infraestructure is better in ps3-x360 too.

Besides is more difficult to fit RE5 in Wii than upgrade MH3 in ps3.

 

[Somnid]

Capcom has an awesome multiplatform engine running in ps3-x360, I don't know if it has a new engine on wii or not (or simply reusing RE4 engine). The online infraestructure is better in ps3-x360 too.

Besides is more difficult to fit RE5 in Wii than upgrade MH3 in ps3.

Actually Capcom recently ported their MT framework engine to Wii.

 

[Hero of Canton]

The Wii's 2010 Japanese game lineup looks very thin. Thin enough to make me believe something is going on, or things are just very bad. I could paint a very bleak picture.

I'm interested to hear more from you on this. I mean, looking at what's been announced, it's clear there's not much in the immediate future from third-parties, but I'd be happy to be educated further by someone who knows a little more than I do...

 

[Noshino]

Capcom has an awesome multiplatform engine running in ps3-x360, I don't know if it has a new engine on wii or not (or simply reusing RE4 engine). The online infraestructure is better in ps3-x360 too.

Besides is more difficult to fit RE5 in Wii than upgrade MH3 in ps3.

As the engine that powers Resident Evil 5 and Lost Planet 2, Capcom's internal MT Framework is arguably one of the finest multiplatform engines for the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. Now it looks like Capcom will be attempting to make the engine shine on another platform.

Inside Games has a summary of a report from today's Nikkei Industrial stating that Capcom plans on bringing a game engine over to the Wii in an effort to improve development efficiency. The Inside Games summary does not specifically mention MT Framework, but it does state that the engine is normally used for PS3 and Xbox 360.

Capcom shared these MT Framework resources a few months back when version 2.0 of the engine was announced.
According to the paper, bringing the engine to additional platforms will allow Capcom to reduce development costs as well as improve promotional efficiency. The paper gives solid numbers, stating that simultaneous development can save Capcom 1/5 off development costs and 1/3 off development time over developing games separately.

These stats appear to suggest that Capcom isn't just planning on bringing the engine over to the Wii, but hopes to include Wii in the development cycle for its muliplatform games. Perhaps we'll see some of Capcom's major HD titles like Lost Planet 2 and Resident Evil 5 brought to Wii spec.

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2009/10/26/mt_framework_wii/

 

[7Th]

Basara 3 will be the test that will decide whether Capcom ports MHTri to PS3 or not.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

Basara 3 will be the test that will decide whether Capcom ports MHTri to PS3 or not.

Whut.

So, if a slash 'em-up/brawler/whatever with historical Japanese trappings on a console which has seen a number of similar, high-profile titles and has built a decent fanbase for that type of game does well, it means they should set about porting up an entirely different type of game for mega profit?

By that logic, the success of Dragon Quest Swords should have led to a port of The Last Remnant...

 

[7Th]

Whut.

So, if a slash 'em-up/brawler/whatever with historical Japanese trappings on a console which has seen a number of similar, high-profile titles and has built a decent fanbase for that type of game does well, it means they should set about porting up an entirely different type of game for mega profit?

By that logic, the success of Dragon Quest Swords should have led to a port of The Last Remnant...

S-E isn't Capcom. You really think MHTri wouldn't sell rather well in PS3? It would be easy to port and if Basara 3 sells better on PS3 than on Wii I could see Capcom doing it. The Japanese audience for both games kinda overlaps, actually.

 

[Road]

PSP　53,000
PS3&#12288;43,000 <--
NDS 37,600 <--
WII&#12288;24,000
360&#12288;*4,000
PS2&#12288;*2,300

Going by Famitsu, this was only the 4th week where the PS3 outsold the DS. Others being:

2008-06-09 (MGS4 launch)
PS3 77,208
NDS 38,435

2009-04-13 (FFXIII Demo + FFVII:ACC)
PS3 56,866
NDS 40,790

2009-08-31 (Slim launch)
PS3 150,832
NDS *64,667

 

[lherre]

Actually Capcom recently ported their MT framework engine to Wii.

At this moment is a rumor more than a fact or at least not confirmed oficially by any capcom source.

S-E already told a time ago that Crystal tools will be ported to wii and we don't see anything about it in years.

 

[gogogow]

With this logic every game should be multiplatform and the companies would make more money. If it is so simple why don't they do it?

Erm......companies are doing it? This gen there are more multiplatform games than ever. Although the preferred platforms are PS3-X360-PC, but Capcom is experimenting with the Wii. People forgot Dead Rising and the already mentioned Basara? Capcom porting the Framework engine for the Wii is proof that they are going (trying) to release their games on all console platforms. But Capcom will be very careful with MH, since it's such an important IP for them.

 

[king zell]

Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers hits Japanese stores

http://www.true-gaming.net/home/?p=5967

more releases this week

http://www.true-gaming.net/home/?p=5965

 

[slaughterking]

Wonder how Hexyz Force will do.

 

[Laguna]

Monster Hunter 3 Wii
Monster Hunter spin off 2010 PSP
Monster Hunter 3 portable end 2010 PSP
Monster Hunter 3G Wii March 2011


Monster Hunter 3G march 2012 for DS2

 

[GaimeGuy]

Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers hits Japanese stores

http://www.true-gaming.net/home/?p=5967

:O

 

[schuelma]

But Capcom will be very careful with MH, since it's such an important IP for them.

..Which is why I still think its unlikely. Dead Rising was ported to the Wii after the original didn't sell well in Japan. Basara is a PS3/Wii title after moving from the PS2 and as of yet only being a 250K series.

Monster Hunter is now a known quantity on the Wii, which I think makes a big difference. Capcom knows the audience is there on the Wii, and knows precisely the costs of porting it to PSP (I'm assuming they've started work on it). Porting it to the PS3 introduces variables to the IP- how much will the PS3 version sell, how much negative impact would it have on the Wii version, would the PS3 version cause the PSP one to sell better or worse. That is all taken into consideration when deciding to expend the resources to port down. The engine is ready on the Wii, and the audience is there already. This is not really similar to Basara at all, which has most likely been planned as multi platform from very early on in development.

 

[Stumpokapow]

By that logic, the success of Dragon Quest Swords should have led to a port of The Last Remnant...

Bad example, TLR was Square's first game using an externally licenced engine (UE3) that they almost certainly would not have been able to port to the Wii without negating the entire cost advantage involved in licencing an existing engine.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

Bad example, TLR was Square's first game using an externally licenced engine (UE3) that they almost certainly would not have been able to port to the Wii without negating the entire cost advantage involved in licencing an existing engine.

Fair point - that'll teach me to try and post at GAF while I'm supposed to be working ;-)

 

[schuelma]

Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers hits Japanese stores

http://www.true-gaming.net/home/?p=5967

Its going to bomb so hard. I would lower my prediction to 30K if I could.

 

[dolemite]

Its going to bomb so hard. I would lower my prediction to 30K if I could.

Did Famitsu release any estimates for the game like they did for FF XIII?

 

[schuelma]

Did Famitsu release any estimates for the game like they did for FF XIII?

Don't think so. Wasn't even worthy of getting a prediction!

 

[onken]

According to Famitsu, the FF13 bundle comes with a promo code for some FF14 content, which is nice I guess.

http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1229462_1124.html

 

[dolemite]

According to Famitsu, the FF13 bundle comes with a promo code for some FF14 content, which is nice I guess.

http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1229462_1124.html

Square Enix will keep milking the final fantasy bull until it runs dry.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Call me crazy, but, I honestly think that the PS3 will become the defacto system over there.

You're crazy.

But they did have a Monster Hunter in development for PS3, and what makes you think it wouldn't sell well establishing it on PS3?

Maybe they don't want to pull a Tales.

 

[Jonnyram]

Maybe they don't want to pull a Tales.

You mean deliberately cut out several parts of the game and save them for the final version? Oh wait.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

You mean deliberately cut out several parts of the game and save them for the final version? Oh wait.

I suspect he means spreading a series on every platform known to man, until the fanbase you had is burnt out and the casual fans are unsure which version to get and you end up whoring out the series to the same 200-300k people over and over and over again.

;-)

 

[boiled goose]

Heh - I knew someone would mention that one

now that the game is tanking it is a third party game.

 

[donny2112]

now that the game is tanking it is a third party game.

Good point. That makes MH3, DQ:S, and Taiko first-party games. See! Genius Sonority is owned by Nintendo!

 

[schuelma]

I'm interested to hear more from you on this. I mean, looking at what's been announced, it's clear there's not much in the immediate future from third-parties, but I'd be happy to be educated further by someone who knows a little more than I do...

2010 is definitely looking weak so far, especially third party wise. I was expecting Nintendo to hold their October event and unveil third party stuff like they had done the past 2 years, but that didn't happen.

Right now the only relatively high profile 3rd party software announced for 2010 is RE: DC on 1/14 and Basara 3 which is of course also on the PS3.

1st party doesn't look much better..in terms of titles that can be expected to make an impact there is Galaxy 2, whatever software the Vitality Sensor launches with, and possibly Metroid (the Prime series didn't do well in Japan but maybe the change in direction can lead to at least modest success).

 

[FoneBone]

What's with that Mario & Sonic number? Did the first game do that badly in Japan?

 

[Cosmonaut X]

What's with that Mario & Sonic number? Did the first game do that badly in Japan?

The first game did over twice that much first week. It is perhaps reaonable to note a frw things, though:

-- The first game went on to sell 594k in Japan alone on an opening week of just 67k
-- The Winter Olympics aren't as big a draw as the Olympics
-- The Winter Olympics don't even start until Feb 2010, so this is a very early release for a tie-in

While it is a pretty weak start for the title, I don't think that it's game over yet. Perhaps it will tank completely next week, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it slow burn through to February, spike for a bit then drop back for lifetime sales of a couple of hundred thousand.